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The interesting thing is that people seemed to have eaten even worse than today (including children) - yet a lot less people were obese.

Well, when you were gaining weight you simply ate more calories than your body needed. 9 servings might have been too much and maybe 7 servings might have been sufficient enough. What all of these recommendations never seem to consider (or at the very least they're not considering it sufficiently enough) are the individual caloric needs of people.
The (traditional) diets of the leanest populations in world contain lots of carbohydrates. I wish we would stop villainizing "carbs", therefore throwing some many-ingredient-concoction I wouldn't even consider "bread" any longer together with rice, fruit, oats etc. (no, when you're eating a banana you might not "have as well a candy bar").

I was more aiming at the fact that most patients having WLS don't reach a normal weight. I don't know, however, how many people get out of the obese BMI into an overweight BMI. With the drugs it's the same.
What you said is definitely something that's worth considering though. I don't know if we're cured or not after having WLS.
With drugs that answer is IMO easier to answer: you have to take it for life just like e. g. antihypertensive drugs. These drugs don't cure high bloods pressure. When patients stop taking them, blood pressure is high again.

I was more aiming at the fact that most patients having WLS don't reach a normal weight. I don't know, however, how many people get out of the obese BMI into an overweight BMI. With the drugs it's the same.
What you said is definitely something that's worth considering though. I don't know if we're cured or not after having WLS.
With drugs that answer is IMO easier to answer: you have to take it for life just like e. g. antihypertensive drugs. These drugs don't cure high bloods pressure. When patients stop taking them, blood pressure is high again.

One just has to look at how much weight people really lose on these drugs. Many people will most likely just be "less obese" but not "no longer obese", even if one could afford taking the drug for life.
Those drug won't "end obesity" - just as WLS never did.

One just has to look at how much weight people really lose on these drugs. Many people will most likely just be "less obese" but not "no longer obese", even if one could afford taking the drug for life.
Those drug won't "end obesity" - just as WLS never did.

One just has to look at how much weight people really lose on these drugs. Many people will most likely just be "less obese" but not "no longer obese", even if one could afford taking the drug for life.
Those drug won't "end obesity" - just as WLS never did.

Couldn't have said it better.
Maybe I want to add that the people who're regulars for a few years are usually the ones who maintain (and are more often then not a normal BMI). The people experiencing regain or insufficient weight loss usually don't stick around - so there is quite a bit of an attrition bias around.

Couldn't have said it better.
Maybe I want to add that the people who're regulars for a few years are usually the ones who maintain (and are more often then not a normal BMI). The people experiencing regain or insufficient weight loss usually don't stick around - so there is quite a bit of an attrition bias around.

Couldn't have said it better.
Maybe I want to add that the people who're regulars for a few years are usually the ones who maintain (and are more often then not a normal BMI). The people experiencing regain or insufficient weight loss usually don't stick around - so there is quite a bit of an attrition bias around.

This.
We were recommended several brands (from cheaper to more expensive) in regards to Protein and supplements but they also provided criteria the supplements should fulfill in case we decided to choose an entirely different brand.

They want to earn some more money. Simple as that.

This.
We were recommended several brands (from cheaper to more expensive) in regards to Protein and supplements but they also provided criteria the supplements should fulfill in case we decided to choose an entirely different brand.

This.
We were recommended several brands (from cheaper to more expensive) in regards to Protein and supplements but they also provided criteria the supplements should fulfill in case we decided to choose an entirely different brand.

They want to earn some more money. Simple as that.

They want to earn some more money. Simple as that.

They want to earn some more money. Simple as that.

Cottage cheese bandwagon 😂
(Strained) Cottage cheese w/Strawberries because I’m not brave enough for savory toppings yet.

Some pretty steep assumptions. Like... just wow.

Nut-based camembert, vegan croissant and mixed fruit.

Nut-based camembert, vegan croissant and mixed fruit.

😱😱😱

Yes, the croissant looks a bit battered. It didn't like being crammed together with the rolls.