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Aaaaaaaah, I can't really object to this one. I experienced it myself. That "feeling of thin" or "no longer feeling fat" has indeed a tendency to "wear off" or something like that. That doesn't mean it will happen to you as well of course but it might be. (However, it wasn't pointed out to me. It was something I noticed with time.) The reason I'm not going for lower ("ripped" - as much as I like that look) is because I hate hate hate that feeling of everything has to planned and managed and tracked and all - I'm not a person for detailed planning and every-minute-and-morsel-has-to-be-planned-and-timed. I clearly realized this when I prepared for exam while working full-time. During the last 6 months and especially during the last 3 months everything seemed to be pressed into a tight timeframe. I had to cut time to make room for studying. Exercise, food shopping, food preparing, sleep and more. So things had to be planned and scheduled in a way that felt way too much like overwhelming and disturbing micromanaging for me. You can't imagine how good it feels to be free again of this meticulous micro-managing time and stuff and the bad conscience that comes with not-sticking-to-the-plan!! It was necessary to get the result I wanted and I got it but (and in this "weight loss" is so much different) now it's over. Finished. Done. So it was ok. However, I don't want to have that kind of stress in my life for an endless timespan.

Yes to everything on that list. Especially to the last one and extra-especially to the first one. I don't think it's the ED (well, maybe in the end it is the ED after all, I have no clue). It maybe feels a bit like watching someone getting good grades without having to work as hard as many others. They still have to do some work but they don't have to work as hard.

I think this depends on how you define "successful". If one only cares about being skinny, doesn't matter the cost (this is a decision that should be respected as well IMO) people can be very successful with restrictive diets. There will always be people who maintain a very low weight, just like there are people who maintain weight loss without surgery. I just wish this wouldn't be touted as the one and only acceptable outcome. Not everyone is interesting in rigid control. There comes a point for everyone at which you have to ask yourself: "What am I willing to sacrifice for a few lbs less?" For some people that question might arise at BMI 29 or higher, for others it might boil down to the question if they want to proceed to get and maintain a "ripped" look with not an ounce of body fat on their frame. Lol, so much this.

This. People are making too much steep claims, talking in absolutes, then get all upset because not everyone is agreeing with them and then they try to take their claims back.

It wouldn't really surprise me but - did someone on here actually write that? ?

"Picking a goal weight". Quite a few people who've "picked a goal weight" will realize sooner or later that one doesn't "pick a goal weight" like one picks the color of a new car.

Depends on the substitute. The gluten based ones usually have insane amounts of protein.

Diet foods are practically always a ripoff as it seems. Learn your lesson, don't buy again. If you want to eat pizza, eat real pizza or make your own protein dough (there are quite simple recipes out there, that are good tasting).

Going for extremes is popular. All-or-nothing-thinking, catharsis for having sinned. I've given up on trying to understand. Not my business.

Put a normal weight person on liquids for a few weeks and I can 100% guarantee you that person is going to experience some serious "head hunger" as well.

Maybe we should also talk about "shoulding"? (pun intended, lol) As obese people we... ... should only want to eat low calories food. ... should exercise everyday. ... should to love exercising every day. ... should definitely try everything to lose weight. ... should be listening to other people who "seemingly know better". ... shouldn't trust ourselves with food ever. ... shouldn't crave "unhealthy" (aka high calorie) foods ever. ... shouldn't have any desire for food at all. ... shouldn't accept our bodies.

Saddest thing is: I'm sure there would be some people answering that question with "Yes!!". ?

pretzel logic ?

Dinner tonight. Purple cooked rice, thawed edamame, some carrots, mushrooms and smoked tofu with a honey-garlic sauce.

Veg burger I had yesterday. Tried a new patty. Was only mediocre. The garden gourmet are way better.

My partner is quite overweight. We see each other on weekends only tough. I sometimes think I am the one enabling his bad choices then.

Myth 2: People won't be physically hungry anymore. Is that a fairly new thing surgeons tell their patients? I was never told that; on the contrary the surgeon said that I would be hungry and I was pleasantly surprised that I wasn't, lol. Physical hunger signals are either not that strong or I'm used to ignoring them. Maybe a mix of both, no idea. I don't think that this makes things necessarily easier though. When you're not really hungry and know when to start eating - how do you know when to stop eating once you started? I think this is an interesting question, especially since I despise all of this tracking. For some reason it makes me prone to eating more?

Please stop spreading false information.

The worst being "this is no discrimination because fat people can lose weight". Bruh, that's like saying "If you feel discriminated because of your religion you can convert to another one"...

It's always hard to tell what "stomach noises" are about. Stomachs make noises all the time, lol. That "gnawing experience" you're experiencing - are you on PPI? Some people seem to experience the sensations you're talking about because of stomach acid and PPI are helping them. Many surgeons recommend PPI for 6 month after surgery but not all seem to do so.

Once introduced to the concept of head hunger (plus a surgeon making steep claims about "hunger not being a thing anymore for a whole while") some people tend to go overboard and label every desire for food as pathologic "head hunger". We get hammered into our heads almost constantly that we can't be trusted with food ever - so this is not really surprising in the end. Too many of us think that "others know better" when it comes to our bodies and their needs.

What's your favorite brand?

What amount of food people can comfortably eat or not depends on so many things... with MGB things seem to be easier, at least I had the impression that the MGB was kind of "more forgiving" than the long-limb RNY I have now. Anyway, as long as you're making progress there is most likely nothing to worry about. As always: if in doubt, ask someone IRL (your treatment team).

And here I am, thinking I am the fatalistic one, lol.

That sounds a bit like the "apfelkuchen"-spice mix I have at home. I also have allspice sitting in the cupboard. Thank you.