DrCollins

I know i have just recently came back to the site. Please tag me in.

I am about 24 years post op RNY.. December 1992. At that time there were no internet WLS groups, and gastric bypass surgery was considered experimental.

I now read a lot of info on various forums, but seldom post or comment in them. IMO, people should be taken at their word as to how far along post op they are. How long they've been a member of any group or how many comments they've made have absolutely nothing to do with their own gastric bypass personal experience.

It seems to me that the information is totally irrelevant... it certainly is TO ME. It also seems ridiculously exclusionary, since everyone is always going to be making personal value judgements about the experiences of others. For example, people who are only 5 or 10 years along are still "newbies" in my own personal book. Those who think I'm "new" could check out my own personal, non-profit blog, DietHobby, where I have commented frequently for the past 5 years.

I am about 24 years post op RNY.. December 1992. At that time there were no internet WLS groups, and gastric bypass surgery was considered experimental.

I now read a lot of info on various forums, but seldom post or comment in them. IMO, people should be taken at their word as to how far along post op they are. How long they've been a member of any group or how many comments they've made have absolutely nothing to do with their own gastric bypass personal experience.

It seems to me that the information is totally irrelevant... it certainly is TO ME. It also seems ridiculously exclusionary, since everyone is always going to be making personal value judgements about the experiences of others. For example, people who are only 5 or 10 years along are still "newbies" in my own personal book. Those who think I'm "new" could check out my own personal, non-profit blog, DietHobby, where I have commented frequently for the past 5 years.

I think it also depends on the build of the person i am 5'7 and have a muscular build.... i look sick, gaunt and just unhealthy if i go below 154. BMI is not an absolute.... there are too many variables.... height, build, body type, race, muscle mass etc plays a larger role.
Eg. You could have 2 people who are the same weight and height and they look completely different.. what may look healthy on one of them can look different on the other

A 5 foot 7 woman at 135 pounds has a BMI of 21.1, that's well within the range of "normal" weight. I don't think it is necessary to categorize a normal weight as "extreme" or potentially pathological and "unhealthy" because it is not our preference.

Doing some digging on Google Scholar, came across this recent analysis of 9 different intermittent fasting studies. Conclusion is that intermittent fasting may not be better than continuous calorie restriction, but it appears to be at least as good and possibly easier to do long term that restricting your calories 24/7.
http://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/8/6/354/htm
Interestingly, another study also finds that intermittent fasting is as good as continuous dieting, but it also found that people who had two liquid meals per day + a dinner of 400-600 calorie dinner for 6 days a week and fasted one day lost more weight than people who had three meals a day with the same number of calories for 6 days and fasted one day a week. I guess we may never escape those protien drinks after all!
https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-11-98
I have not yet come across any study that establishes which type of intermittent fasting works best--they are all over the map from the 16/8 that @@Wolfgirl78 follows, to the 5:2 method to even fasting every other day. They all seem to work.

It means you fast for 16 hours and eat for 8. Right now I'm consuming between 1100-1200 calories a day in my 8 hour eating window. As a single, working mom I really don't have time work out on the weekdays. I do most of my workouts on the weekends, such as hiking and working in my lawn. When I am physically active on the weekends I usually will take in about 1350-1400 calories, but still only during my 8 hour eating window (I chose 12pm until 8pm for my window) And I do this every day.
I use myfitnesspal pal to log my food and exercise. I read about intermittent fasting on their forums and decided to give it a whirl. It's been working really well for me.
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We already have a Vets forum.
I don't see the need to segregate the site further. PM if the need be.
I think we just need to be more supportive of one another--no matter how long or short our journey has been.

I've never had ANY weight-loss or weight-maintenance success with approach #1 or #2.

Both those approaches ... the "Abstinence = total Restriction of #1; and ...... the "No Diet = Intuitive Eating" of #2, have never been workable plans for me.. not at any time during the years BEFORE or at any time during the years AFTER WLS.

For ME, weight-loss and maintenance success can only be had through approach #3. AND during the past 12 years, this "moderate" way-of-eating, has included Consistent, Ongoing, Daily, food tracking using a computer food journal.

Oh yes, weighing daily is also a must now that I'm back on track!
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I am 2 1/2 years out, and right there with you about logging your intake. I find that I have the best success when I weigh, measure and log. When I don't, it only takes me a couple of days to run off the rails. My tablespoon of Peanut Butter becomes six tablespoons of Peanut Butter heaped on one spoon.
One of the basic principles of scientific research is that you cannot control that which you do not measure. The bariatric doctor told me one time to stay off of the scale for a month. I gained ten pounds! So, now I weigh every day.

I'm very pleased with the amount of restriction I still have with Protein dense meals 4 years out, I can still only eat 3-4oz of meat at a meal. I did a lot research before I had my surgery deciding which one was the best for me (I was self pay, insurance did not cover it) And this is why I chose the sleeve.
It's become a realization to me that I will have to log my food forever. My biggest nightmare is to gain all the weight back. I'm 5-09, and my weight on the day of surgery was 276, lowest weight was 174, current weight is 195, goal weight is 168. Thank you all for the kind words. It's hard not to beat yourself up for regain.
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One of my favorite sayings is "You don't drown by falling in the Water, you drown by staying there." Good job on realizing that you have fallen in the Water and a really good job in not staying there!.

Good job! I love seeing people who become successful losing the regain because I know it's so much harder to lose than the first time! I myself am struggling with an almost 5 pound gain at only 21 months out and it's not wanting to come off so easily!

Oh my goodness it's been awhile since I've been here! I only see a few names I recognize!
I had my sleeve on 06/12/12. I lost 102 lbs.
unfortunately I have gained 35lbs within the last two years. About a month ago, I started weighing and logging my food on mfp again. I started gaining when I stopped logging my food and making myself accountable. Since I started logging again I've lost 14lbs. So now I'm 21lbs away from my lowest weight and 27 away from my original goal weight. I'm going to do this. The good thing about my sleeve is even though I fell off the wagon, it's still here to help me.
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I tried "no dieting", now im at mindful moderation and reboot lol

I've never had ANY weight-loss or weight-maintenance success with approach #1 or #2.

Both those approaches ... the "Abstinence = total Restriction of #1; and ...... the "No Diet = Intuitive Eating" of #2, have never been workable plans for me.. not at any time during the years BEFORE or at any time during the years AFTER WLS.

For ME, weight-loss and maintenance success can only be had through approach #3. AND during the past 12 years, this "moderate" way-of-eating, has included Consistent, Ongoing, Daily, food tracking using a computer food journal.

Yes, that was 790 calories for the entire day in maintenance.

Note that I am a sedentary, short (5'0") female, age 71, as well as a "reduced obese" person now in the "normal" BMI range. From a 52.9 BMI 23 years ago (just before my open RNY), down to a low of 160 about a year later, with a slow regain during the next 5 years to the 190s, where for the next 5 years or so, I had to diet to keep from re-gaining more weight. About 12 years ago, I started heavy duty dieting - averaging about 1200 calories per day with lots of exercise, and lost down to a 22.5 BMI 10 years ago. Since then I have been maintaining my weight in or very close to my "normal" BMI range. My current weight gives me a 24.4 BMI.
To keep things in perspective.....the Mifflin formula gives a "normal" female of my size, age, and activity level a BMR of 958 and a sedentary TDEE of 1150. This formula is based on "AVERAGES", and can easily be off by 15% either down or up, and...of course... there are always "outliers" ... which are people who are FAR below or above the Average.
I have been consistently tracking my weight and food every day for the past 12+ years in a computer food journal, and therefore I know that MY OWN BMR / TDEE is more than 100 calories per day below normal. My records show that I maintained my current weight during the past calendar year by eating between a daily 800 and 900 calorie average. For the 4 - 5 calendar year period before that my maintenance calories were in the 1000-1050 range, but during those years, my weight was creeping up a few pounds per year.
I've got a lot of data about this issue at my nonprofit, personal website, located at www.diethobby.com.

No, I do not believe 30 points is doable at 3 months out. MAYBE after a year. Maybe.

@@DrCollins
Wow. I don't know if I'm more impressed that you've kept your weight off for so many years or the fact that you know EXACTLY what you need to do to keep the weight off.
You're my bariatric hero!

@@DrCollins -- yes! This is what I mean when I say "it is what it is."
I honestly don't know how people can figure out what their maintenance menus should be unless they've done this kind of information collection and analysis to find out.
My maintenance budget is much higher than yours. But again, it is what it is. And we move on from there.

Yes, that was 790 calories for the entire day in maintenance.

Note that I am a sedentary, short (5'0") female, age 71, as well as a "reduced obese" person now in the "normal" BMI range. From a 52.9 BMI 23 years ago (just before my open RNY), down to a low of 160 about a year later, with a slow regain during the next 5 years to the 190s, where for the next 5 years or so, I had to diet to keep from re-gaining more weight. About 12 years ago, I started heavy duty dieting - averaging about 1200 calories per day with lots of exercise, and lost down to a 22.5 BMI 10 years ago. Since then I have been maintaining my weight in or very close to my "normal" BMI range. My current weight gives me a 24.4 BMI.
To keep things in perspective.....the Mifflin formula gives a "normal" female of my size, age, and activity level a BMR of 958 and a sedentary TDEE of 1150. This formula is based on "AVERAGES", and can easily be off by 15% either down or up, and...of course... there are always "outliers" ... which are people who are FAR below or above the Average.
I have been consistently tracking my weight and food every day for the past 12+ years in a computer food journal, and therefore I know that MY OWN BMR / TDEE is more than 100 calories per day below normal. My records show that I maintained my current weight during the past calendar year by eating between a daily 800 and 900 calorie average. For the 4 - 5 calendar year period before that my maintenance calories were in the 1000-1050 range, but during those years, my weight was creeping up a few pounds per year.
I've got a lot of data about this issue at my nonprofit, personal website, located at www.diethobby.com.

Yes, that was 790 calories for the entire day in maintenance.

Note that I am a sedentary, short (5'0") female, age 71, as well as a "reduced obese" person now in the "normal" BMI range. From a 52.9 BMI 23 years ago (just before my open RNY), down to a low of 160 about a year later, with a slow regain during the next 5 years to the 190s, where for the next 5 years or so, I had to diet to keep from re-gaining more weight. About 12 years ago, I started heavy duty dieting - averaging about 1200 calories per day with lots of exercise, and lost down to a 22.5 BMI 10 years ago. Since then I have been maintaining my weight in or very close to my "normal" BMI range. My current weight gives me a 24.4 BMI.
To keep things in perspective.....the Mifflin formula gives a "normal" female of my size, age, and activity level a BMR of 958 and a sedentary TDEE of 1150. This formula is based on "AVERAGES", and can easily be off by 15% either down or up, and...of course... there are always "outliers" ... which are people who are FAR below or above the Average.
I have been consistently tracking my weight and food every day for the past 12+ years in a computer food journal, and therefore I know that MY OWN BMR / TDEE is more than 100 calories per day below normal. My records show that I maintained my current weight during the past calendar year by eating between a daily 800 and 900 calorie average. For the 4 - 5 calendar year period before that my maintenance calories were in the 1000-1050 range, but during those years, my weight was creeping up a few pounds per year.
I've got a lot of data about this issue at my nonprofit, personal website, located at www.diethobby.com.

Wow, I don't know whether to feel encouraged that you are managing to maintain with such a low BMR or discouraged that it's possible to have that low a BMR.... Sounds like you've got it very well figured out what's working for you, though.

I've never had ANY weight-loss or weight-maintenance success with approach #1 or #2.

Both those approaches ... the "Abstinence = total Restriction of #1; and ...... the "No Diet = Intuitive Eating" of #2, have never been workable plans for me.. not at any time during the years BEFORE or at any time during the years AFTER WLS.

For ME, weight-loss and maintenance success can only be had through approach #3. AND during the past 12 years, this "moderate" way-of-eating, has included Consistent, Ongoing, Daily, food tracking using a computer food journal.