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My $0.02.

First of all I am very sorry that this happened to the OP, however I can already feel the heat for what I am about to say.

It seems as though from what everyone has discussed this was a consensual sexual relationship between two adults. To me. putting this post out there was kind of premature. I understand the whole fact that you wanted to warn people, but honestly if someone wants to sleep with someone after 4 days of knowing them then it's probably going to happen with someone else anyway. If that Dr. would have pulled those lines on me I would have felt flattered but obviously would have thought he was trying to pull one over on me and denied him.

The reason I am saying this is because it HAS happened to me in a different situation. I have had my Dentist, male nurse, and Teacher's assistant (in college) ask me out. My Fiancé' now (and have a kid with) was my manager. Even though he was in a position of power, and probably told me every line in the book, does not mean that I was taken advantage of. I understand that it is different when you are having surgery but the principals are the same.

Do I think it is unethical? Yes I do
Do I think that the OP is to blame? Yes, partly
Do I think action should be taken against him? Sure, if you feel that's right
Do I think that that this is blown out of proportion? Yup.


Sorry You can call be cruel, not caring, dumb, or any other choice words. But the fact still remains she was happy to sleep with him. And if he was still telling her all the things she wanted to hear then this would have never came up. She feels slighted (which is understandable) but it should be left at that.

Isaac, I'm so sorry this has happened to you and I don't have an answer but I have a thought (which could be completely off-base) BUT sometimes a partner has a need to "rescue" or be "the healthy one" who takes care of "the sick one". And as you get healthier and stronger, they lose that role. Some people can't grow out of that and feel so disoriented they leave.

Isaac, I'm so sorry this has happened to you and I don't have an answer but I have a thought (which could be completely off-base) BUT sometimes a partner has a need to "rescue" or be "the healthy one" who takes care of "the sick one". And as you get healthier and stronger, they lose that role. Some people can't grow out of that and feel so disoriented they leave.

Sorry,blindsided, if you are for real on this but trolls are miserable little bottom feeding toadies who gather neurotic stimulation from riling up forumites with hassles and tall tales.
It is hard for a rational, reasonably adjusted person to conceive of the possible benefit from trollism, but in creation there are bacteria that feed from dead skin.
There realms of lowness that souls with some semblance of self respect would not venture to enter.

So you went to TJ, had surgery and four days later had consensual sex with your doctor? And you are upset at who?

I think it's very normal to have these thoughts! I know I did many times. We are so excited to get this done and wait weeks or months for the big day and when the day gets closer our nerves start! I cried like a baby the day before i was scheduled to leave. I just knew I couldn't do it. I prayed on it all day! However the day came and when i got to the airport all my fears went away. When we got into MX and I seen the hospital, staff and my great surgeon I knew I made the right choice. If i had to go back i wouldn't change anything except that I would have done this sooner!!
I have many friends that have had the surgery here in the states have these same thoughts! I think since we are going to MX we add that plus the normal stress we go in circles. Remember you did your homework, I am sure you have read all the reviews and asked all the questions that you have. You will be fine! ((HUGS)) Hope you get to feeling better!

I call bs on this post......

I call bs on this post......

I agree with CLK If it was so easy why didn't we loss the weight on our own. We don't know the whole story with the people who are not losing, this site is suppose to give support so please let us up lift them not bring them down.

Please do expand upon it, I can appreciate not wanting to kick other people's sand castles, but the thread was started to get responses from people that are unsatisfied after 6 months or more. Besides, when you do not tell your story, nobody wins, people who read your post are left to assume what they will, and you don't get a real opportunity to express yourself.

I'm only 8 wks post op, but I know i'm gonna have to deal with this, so I've done my research! I've also worked in insurance for 10+ years doing the reviews for these exact surgeries, so here's what i can share:
panniculectomy is different from a Tummy Tuck because they don't tighten your abdominal muscles. They simply cut away the flap of skin and sew you back up. Now, it's a big incision, obviously, and it's uncomfortable to heal from. You might have difficulty standing straight up and cleaning yourself in the bathroom for a week or more. (longer if you actually get a tummy tuck because of how tight your abs are!)
Insurance varies, so check with your carrier - not all insurances require that you've had skin rashes to get this covered. Your surgeon could take pictures and measure how long the flap hangs. If the skin hangs lower than your pubic bone, you can probably get it covered. Also, some carriers will pay for it if they approved your weight loss surgery because this could be considered a residual of the WLS.
Long story short, it doesn't sound like a very pleasant experience, but it's something I plan on having to do eventually as well. I'm still focusing on getting anywhere close to goal, so it's a long way off for me. Hopefully, I can afford to pay for the tummy tuck portion myself so I can get the very best result!
Good luck to you!

I don't think daily weighing is bad at all; it's the emotional attachment to the number that can be a problem. It's just data, not a judgment (ideally).
I go in streaks; sometimes weigh daily and then skip to weekly and back again. I agree it helps to troubleshoot the process and keep one accountable.

What Stephanie said. I can't say my other surgical experiences have been stellar either as far as waiting and/or attention. My worst was in Germany when I had a C section for my daughter; the drs and nurses were complete jerks. Also, after 3 child births, I have no pride left. And we're all naked under our clothes
I think if you have not had major surgery these stories are scarier......

If you are comfortable with the surgeon and hospital you have chosen, there may be another way to use them without your current coordinator. Do not send money until you are 100% ok with all aspects of your trip. Lord knows this process is stressful enough without that!

I'm sorry you're feeling so low. I've never had surgery before, but my mom tells me your emotions can be all messed up for a while afterwards. Be gentle on yourself.
But to me, the idea of having the house all to myself sounds like bliss! Maybe think of it as time to pamper and get lets of rest. Play your favourite music, watch chick flicks, do some journaling and visualize all the fabulousness that's about to unfold as the weight melts off.

I don't think daily weighing is bad at all; it's the emotional attachment to the number that can be a problem. It's just data, not a judgment (ideally).
I go in streaks; sometimes weigh daily and then skip to weekly and back again. I agree it helps to troubleshoot the process and keep one accountable.

The often quoted phrase points out a human foible: judging the validity of arguments by the audacity of those who speak them. Degree of craziness is a ridiculous measure of truth but it sways ignorant people who judge not by content but by emotion and "instinct".
But then there are the multitudes who lash out at anything that disturbs their sleep. Thinking brings change, change requires energy and can bring pain or pleasure. Most are not willing to risk the effort.

I believe analytical thinking is growing increasingly scarce. In the narrowly confined brain activity of the mediocre there is little room for consideration of anything beyond the norm. The average yokel reacts from blind emotion and fear. It annoys the zombie hordes when someone exhibits life beyond widely accepted stumbling and mumbling. Their brain hardly functions and they want to eat yours because it does.
I have been an oddball in many ways all of my life. Being different is not so bad. After a while you are happy that you cut yourself from the herd.
I am glad you see their retribution coming in the form of your coming slim form. It's turn or burn for them: turn to your side in applause or burn with envy. Let 'em stew in their ignorance.

I don't think daily weighing is bad at all; it's the emotional attachment to the number that can be a problem. It's just data, not a judgment (ideally).
I go in streaks; sometimes weigh daily and then skip to weekly and back again. I agree it helps to troubleshoot the process and keep one accountable.

My personal trainer told me she would rather me weigh everyday than avoid the scale like I did for years. It holds me accountable
I weigh every morning but only record once a week.

If you are comfortable with the surgeon and hospital you have chosen, there may be another way to use them without your current coordinator. Do not send money until you are 100% ok with all aspects of your trip. Lord knows this process is stressful enough without that!

Dave, thanks so much for the detailed story of your surgery and experience in TJ. I was sleeved on March 28 by Dr. Garcia and his team at florence Oasis and couldn't be happier with my surgery and the results.
I think you are right that some of the slip-ups at the hospital were due to coming in on the weekend. My husband always calls the weekend staff anywhere "the B team".
Also I think since Dr. Garcia is so busy he is relying more on Dr. Luna for patient interactions - great choice as everyone LOVES Dr. Luna! The surgeon's skill is what we want in the OR right?
Please keep us posted on your recovery and weight loss progress!

warning~
Long read, lots of info~

These are some questions that I have been asked, and I am going to post them here, so that others can read and benefit from them~
*Breasts~
Right now, I am not sure what size accurately. I am done swelling in my breasts I think, but they are still dropping, and they will fluff a bit after they drop, and settle in, so I could gain up to 2 sizes. Right now I wear bras that are 36dd today~ It' changes daily! There are some bras I can wear that are 36D, some 38dd, 36ddd, it just depends on the day. I am mostly wearing sports bras, size 36bands when I don't have to wear an actual bra, because I still wear my band to push the implants down. I Only wear a real bra when I go out.

*I was a 44ddd before sleeve~
I was a 38d before plastics
I am about a 36dd now. We'll see when it's all said and done!

*He used 350 CC, but everyone has a different amount of breast tissue, so you can't go by how many CCs someone else gets~

*No my stomach does not lay flat when I bend. I learned a lot through this, that weight loss patients are much different with plastics than regular women that have not had their bellies poked full of holes. What I have read and learned from Drs is that in order to preserve the blood flow, and not disrupt those scars from the arthroscopic surgeries, (SLEEVES) they must not pull too tight, or separate the walls of the upper tummy too much! There is so many differences in where our scars lay and how much skin is removed, how much blood loss, etc....SO many variables! Too many to compare to someone elses surgery! Your skin and body will react how your skin and body will react.

*My vag is higher now yes. A lot higher, my hair line now goes all the way up to the Tummy Tuck line. (incision) So yes, it was raised, as well my thighs were. I would NOT pay for a thigh lift until after I have my tummy tuck if I were doing it again because you'll get a certain amount of lift, especially if you use a wonderful artist/surgeon like I did. (NEIBLES) (NIEBLES) Can you tell I love that man! :-)

*I personally would NOT have an arm lift at the same time as all I had done. I USED my arms like crazy to pull myself up, and to get myself around. I needed those arms, and as flabby as they are, I am SURE glad I didn't get the arms done at the same time! NO WAY JOSE!

*I'm 36 years old...wait 37 I think now....I am 5ft1 on a tall day. I was a 24W pre sleeve, and I was a 4/6 pre plastics. I am now a solid 4. When I am done with compression garments, I will try on all my clothes, because right now I can't tell what's tight and what's not...(numbness) .....BUT I can tell you that when I put my size 4s on, I can fit both hands inside the waist with my torso....so I think I may be going down to a size 2 and the solid 4. No more 6s.

*I have a passport. I personally didn't want any MORE stresses or unknowns with thesurgery. I wanted what I COULD control to be controlled, and taken care of. SO YES I suggest a passport.

*My husband was with me the entire time, yes, again I would not have it ANY other way, and neither would HE. He took care of me after my sleeve, and this was no different. Too many unknowns to go there alone. I know everyone is different, and some people could handle it maybe, but why have more stress and anxiety. Nope, I take him everywhere. He would not in a million years ever let me go that kind of thing alone.

*My husband did all of my aftercare. NO he is not in the medical field. He is in TV of all things! LOL. But I am not suggesting that you don't have a Dr lined up, I'm just sharing the information that someone who does not have a medical background CAN take your stitches out, and they can take your drains out, and if you really pay attention to the instructions from the Dr, your companion will feel confident about doing it. I will go see my Dr in a week or so, and have my Vitamin panel run (as I do at least quarterly) but I have not seen a Dr yet. My incision is all healed. As of today, I have no open sores, no open incision line, NO nothing! I'm 5 weeks today. I can FINALLY take a bath tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any other questions, please ask, I will answer honestly!

Pooh, I was sleeved March 28 and there is whole list of things my tummy still doesn't like. Especially fruit....and now that's getting hot, I would love some fruit! I guess we just have to take it slow. Go back to safe food and try again in a week or so.....

What Stephanie said. I can't say my other surgical experiences have been stellar either as far as waiting and/or attention. My worst was in Germany when I had a C section for my daughter; the drs and nurses were complete jerks. Also, after 3 child births, I have no pride left. And we're all naked under our clothes
I think if you have not had major surgery these stories are scarier......