Okay, I'm a fairy patient kind of girl. If i see someone in need, I will duly assist in any way possible. That is my nature.

However, there are limits to this...

Something is really getting on my proverbial mammary glands and I just have to put it out there... Before I 'go to town' on someone....

What am I referring to?

The indomitable, self-indulgent, totally out of proportion whinging on this website.

What kind of whinging, I hear you cry?! Well, it's not the general and often valid complaints, concerns and outpourings of confusion related to WLS. Which, lets face, it, we all have for time to time... Or even the posts that deviate from being WLS related and are either observations on life or genuine cries for help.

It's the 'OMG, I ate some fresh air!!!!! <swing your head back whilst placing your wrist on your forehead in a swooning fashion>

'I am going to have to flagellate myself for the rest of my natural born life because I ate a cracker with cheese spread on it!'

'I ate a mouthful of cream-cheese frosting, I hate myself' - then cue the over-exaggerated 'depression' and attention-seeking mewing because someone, in a 'moment of madness' <raises an eyebrow> didn't reach for a Protein shake or Quest bar.

Now, before I get lambasted for not being 'sympathetic' and being told in a lofty and self-righteous way that 'not everyone is as strong as other people and they just need some gentle encouragement'.. What I am going to say to that right now and up front is 'BALLS!'

So someone ate something with 15g of carbs, 11g of sugar and little protein. SO WHAT?!!! If you're clever enough to work out that these aren't good nutritional ratios, then you're smart enough to know that you shouldn't be eating it. So get some perspective, be objective, dust yourself off and carry on. Don't take up my visual space with your whinges that do no more than to advertise your bordering on infantile attention seeking ways...

If you make a habit of making bad food choices when you know the nutritional values - then frankly, you're an idiot. If you're having serious addiction issues - then that's a WHOLE different ball game and there's not a person on the planet that won't do all they can (within the limits of this medium and geography) to help.

Just to those who want to curry sympathy and 'collect' platitudinous pats on the back for being self-indulgent whinge-bags - over very little - all I have to say is just hope I don't come across those particular posts. The response won't be pretty.....

And for the smug ones who are undoubtedly going to say 'Well, you don't have to read them.. You can just skip past them..tra-la-la-la' I say BALLS to that too. Attention seekers have a habit of making their topic titles sound very 'life or death'. Having the concept of 'duty of care' bashed into my head for years, I feel obliged to read them. But no sooner do I get to the second sentence, I discover its been written by 'one of those types' and the rage subsequently builds...

So my rant to 'those types' and in summary is;

Do, please, and before I turn green, shut up!!!

<and relax...>

I'm confused. Weren't you the one that started a thread for dirty confessions that amounted to nothing but people telling about all the "bad" foods they ate?

Personally I don't care either way, people can whine or not and I can choose to read and respond or not, I'm just trying to make sense of how dirty confessions and no guilt go together. Confession to me means I did something wrong, which is really what the people that are driving you bat **** are saying right?

I dunno. It's been a long couple of days so forgive me if I'm not following the thread here.

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Three weeks out and my only gripe is I just wanna eat a piece of pizza..... I'll even settle for a bite if it comes with out pain..... Lol

Soon my delicious friend, soon!

I had a BITE of a piece tonight:)

Madam -- As a stirrer of pots, you are easily one of my favorite people on this here board. It would be so fun to meet you IRL, but the fact that you exclaim "BALLS" and I say "y'all" leads me to believe we're a world apart, geographically speaking.

I fully intend to be sleeved and eat disgusting things from time to time. Balance is what I'm after. I will fully embrace "bad eating" now and again, and have no plans to whine -- not even once.

Yeah, apologies for the 'British -isms'! My man says 'Y'all'.. 'cause he's a card-carrying southerner - so you never know, I could be on your turf one day soon!

I don't wish to be a 'stirrer of pots'.. I just say it as I see it - hopefully with a bit of humour. Which, it appears, seems to get people very excitable!

Nothing says it more eloquently than this picture...

And, as long as you're funny - feel free to whine away!

I'm confused. Weren't you the one that started a thread for dirty confessions that amounted to nothing but people telling about all the "bad" foods they ate? Personally I don't care either way' date=' people can whine or not and I can choose to read and respond or not, I'm just trying to make sense of how dirty confessions and no guilt go together. Confession to me means I did something wrong, which is really what the people that are driving you bat **** are saying right? I dunno. It's been a long couple of days so forgive me if I'm not following the thread here. Sent from my iPhone using VST[/quote']

I think the purpose of this thread and that one you mentioned might be to make it acceptable to announce one ate "unhealthy" food without shame, guilt or judgement.

Or if not the purpose....at least the consequence.

I'm confused. Weren't you the one that started a thread for dirty confessions that amounted to nothing but people telling about all the "bad" foods they ate?

Personally I don't care either way, people can whine or not and I can choose to read and respond or not, I'm just trying to make sense of how dirty confessions and no guilt go together. Confession to me means I did something wrong, which is really what the people that are driving you bat **** are saying right?

I dunno. It's been a long couple of days so forgive me if I'm not following the thread here.

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No, you're not following it entirely...

The 'dirty' little secret post was the prelude to this one. That thread being a vehicle for people to air their dirty laundry (i.e the 'bad' things they ate) in a fun and humorous way.. Showing that all people are equal and all people deviate from their diets occasionally. Its meant to be fun... It was also a way of people venting in a non-judgemental environment and to stave off the 'flaming' which occurs for some peoples food choices. Categorising it as 'amounting to nothing', I feel, is a bit harsh. Some people have enjoyed it... Maybe it's not for you - and that is entirely your prerogative.

This post? This is about people who intentionally covet the sympathy of others by falsely eluding to the end of the world being nigh.. because they ate some frosting and now they feel 'depressed'...

Maybe it doesn't get on your nerves - maybe it does? But it sure as hell gets on mine, so I thought I'd have a little rant about it! And why not?!!!

No' date=' you're not following it entirely... The 'dirty' little secret post was the prelude to this one. That thread being a vehicle for people to air their dirty laundry (i.e the 'bad' things they ate) in a fun and humorous way.. Showing that all people are equal and all people deviate from their diets occasionally. Its meant to be fun... It was also a way of people venting in a non-judgemental environment and to stave off the 'flaming' which occurs for some peoples food choices. Categorising it as 'amounting to nothing', I feel, is a bit harsh. Some people have enjoyed it... Maybe it's not for you - and that is entirely your prerogative. This post? This is about people who intentionally covet the sympathy of others by falsely eluding to the end of the world being nigh.. because they ate some frosting and now they feel 'depressed'... Maybe it doesn't get on your nerves - maybe it does? But it sure as hell gets on mine, so I thought I'd have a little rant about it! And why not?!!![/quote']

Clarification: amounted to nothing except food, as in I hoped there would be other salacious confessions, not as in, it was worth nothing . I hope that clarifies my poor choice of words.

I think the purpose of this thread and that one you mentioned might be to make it acceptable to announce one ate "unhealthy" food without shame, guilt or judgement.

Or if not the purpose....at least the consequence.

No, the objective of this thread is not to make it acceptable to 'announce one ate unhealthy food'. However, the former one is about getting it out in the open without the 'shame, guilt or judgement'.

Clear as mud?!

Posting your progress, is certainly not a negative. It's a positive and it should be congratulated! Saying the sky is going to fall in because you had a tootsie roll, is just not cool...

And I saw your pictures. They were awesome

I have been saying this stuff for months now on this forum...I feel like I was talking to myself most of the time...Dam..Maybe if I had a cool accent people might have listened...LOL

I have been saying this stuff for months now on this forum...I feel like I was talking to myself most of the time...Dam..Maybe if I had a cool accent people might have listened...LOL

I dunno, RJ - the rate this thread is going; any perceived benefit which might be accrued by having a different accent, is clearly lost in global miscomprehension!

I dunno, RJ - the rate this thread is going; any perceived benefit which might be accrued by having a different accent, is clearly lost in global miscomprehension!

I know what you mean...LOL!

I'm still waiting for those salacious confessions. Sigh.

So I recently posted a thread that sounded pretty similar to the ones that are like nails on a chalkboard for you.... I wasn't whining in my opinion ( Madam eveRy time I read whinging I crack up' date=' so funny the differences an ocean can make!) I was stating my progress thus far, how much I've lost, the fact that I hadn't lost in 2 weeks, and posted a before and after pic. I did this for my own benefit, to keep me motivated, and... I'm not gonna lie, maybe a few kind words of encouragement or GASP! God forbid, maybe 1 or 2 "atta girl's"! Lord knows I haven't had a life filled with kind words or recognition. Sometimes we are just looking for a response, period. Because we don't always get that when we need it from our friends/family... I was a little disappointed in the few responses I received, but hey, that's what happens with expectations. You constantly get let down. People need to treat others as they would like to be treated. That said, whiners are annoying as hell, especially when it's the same thing over and over. I get it.[/quote']

Is that kind of like the (fortunately) few people who post their exact same before and after pictures on thread after thread? They just can't get enough atta girls off of the boards? I don't know why, but boy, that does irk me!

Is that kind of like the (fortunately) few people who post their exact same before and after pictures on thread after thread? They just can't get enough atta girls off of the boards? I don't know why' date=' but boy, that does irk me![/quote']

I think this is mean spirited. As are most of the posts here.

I will think twice about this being a safe place to post my thoughts or my pictures.

I know I haven't been here as long as you vets have(and I'm not getting sleeved til 22nd), but lately there seems to be so much

"Your liquid diet is going to suck way worse as you go, just watch out" or "the pain post op will be the worst pain you'll ever feel" kind of stuff. I'm just annoyed that others would drive fear into their posts when a lot of people are already scared.

I know I haven't been here as long as you vets have(and I'm not getting sleeved til 22nd), but lately there seems to be so much

"Your liquid diet is going to suck way worse as you go, just watch out" or "the pain post op will be the worst pain you'll ever feel" kind of stuff. I'm just annoyed that others would drive fear into their posts when a lot of people are already scared.

Give THIS thread a read. I think you will find many, if not the majority of folks have a pretty smooth experience, but they just don't post about it. As far as the pre-surgery diet, different surgeon have different plans, so it is difficult to compare. Without the assistance of the sleeve, being disciplined to follow the pre-op diet can be difficult compounded with the stress that you are about to have 85% of your stomach removed ... I'm not going to kid you, for some people, it can be a difficult time.

Myself, I was sick and tired of being sick and tired so I was quite determined to get the sleeve and would have walked across hot coals to get it done. The first 3 days of the pre-op diet were the hardest, then I found my groove and all was well.

Good luck and keep posting your thoughts and questions.

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