I am probably going to open a whole new can worms here. I might regret opening later, but some of the topics being discussed really got me thinking about things. One of the things said that really kind of got me going on this was:

Pattygreen: Christians (usually conservative republicans) for the most part try to live moral, virtuous, nonsinful lives.

I am not a Christian and I live a moral, virtuous, and for the most part nonsinful life. I know several people who live the same, and are not Christian, and have conservative beliefs.

Cleo's Mom: First of all, "conservative republican" is redundant, because they are all conservative. I don't think there are any moderate republicans left particularly among those elected to office.

However, I just wonder if it is MORAL to mislead or outright lie, because listen to what these conservative republicans have said:

Dana Perino said on Fox: We did not have a domestic attack during bush's administration.

A month later Mary Matalin said: bush inherited 9/11 from Clinton.

Yesterday, Rudy Giuliani said that we never had a domestic attack under bush but we had one under Obama.

Now, I ask you - do these people think the American public is really that stupid? Apparently. Those on the right just make things up and keep repeating it. And when they repeat it often enough eventually some people begin to believe it.

They reduce things to some emotional, hate filled sound bite: death panels, obamacare, socialism, hitler, nazi.

This is because they are unable to engage in meaningful, intelligent, fact-based discussions. Maybe they don't want to do that because they don't have the facts on their side.

First I am a moderate Republican. I do tend to lean a little more to the right, but on some issues I lean to the left. Some things I can lean pretty right, and others I lean pretty far left. It really depends on the issue. I'd like to think that would make me moderate. I know many people who are moderate Republicans also. So we are still out there. There are some politicians who are still moderate also.

Second just because you are a Republican does not mean that you can not have a intelligent, meaningful, fact-based conversation. That is like saying liberals have their heads in clouds and live in fantasy nerf world filled with rainbows and butterflies.

Both sides sling mud back and forth. Both sides have their hate filled idiots. Both sides have their good and bad points. Both sides LIE, LIE, and LIE some more.

I get so sick and tired of hearing about how the Republicans have screwed everything up...I mean really they did it all alone.....no help from the left at all???

I personally feel that if you lean too far left or right you can't have a very grip on reality, and when our politicans lean too far left or right it's not good for our country either way. I hope someday too see more moderate politicans in office.

thanks, tdslf1. I saw that article, too. Typical of the republicans to try to deflect from what is going on with the right wing extremists with whom many from their party were standing the other day in DC when racial slurs, spitting, etc.. took place. Some republicans were helping to hold up their banners.

They are trying to pooh, pooh, it. No big deal. Well, it is a big deal. And I think the american people think it's a big deal.

Of course there are some on this board who are in denial and say that all this violence is just in our heads. Wow!

Didn't we all know that the Republicans would conveniently get phone calls and carefully constructed threats from people, whom they claim are Democrats? I sure did. It totally goes along with their usual subversive activities. When something awful they support backfires on them, they send out letters and get someone from their own camp to go public with whatever crazy idea they can come up with to deflect the heat off them.

The Republicans are the ones who exhibit the obnoxious behavior, the threatening behavior, the foul language and accusations, i.e., the birthers, the deathers, Joe the Plumber, etc. The Republicans are the ones who link arms and write and sign letters that are published and broadcast over the airwaves. They're experts at lies and ugliness (remember the Swift Boat campaign they used against Senator Kerry?) There are lots of incidents that they have been responsible for that go back to the Nixon era. And probably before that but I was too young to witness them.

So nothing new here. Nothing to see. Move along.

Today my sister posted this on her facebook page,

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them wh...at they could and should do for themselves."- Abraham Lincoln

I'm sure you have seen this before and know it wasn't said by Abraham Lincoln, that isn't even the irritating part, OUR Mother has Parkinson's and is on Medicaid and SS disability. Hello? Is anybody home? Your own Mother is dependent on government programs!

A democrat for sure. A Violent death threat!

Another death threat at a democratic protest against Bush. Sick! Violent people!

Is there a double standard? Seems to be.

Every threat to Obama is now vigorously pursued, trumpeted and dissected by the media and the blogs, and roundly condemned. And I condemn such threats as well.

But in the past, whenever someone threatened Bush at a protest, there was a deafening silence on the part of the media and the left-leaning blogs, and consequently very little (if any) follow-through on the part of the Secret Service. Which I find quite distressing.

A democrat for sure. A Violent death threat!

Well, then, that just makes it okay that those on the right have engaged in violence. Did this man actually bomb the white house? Let me think for a minute. Ah, no.

I guess his SIGN (which is a non-violent protest) makes it okay to sever the gas line at the home of a brother of a democratic congressman, or throw bricks through window of democratic offices or spit on reps.

Yes, it's all so clear now. :tt1:

Is there a double standard? Seems to be.

Every threat to Obama is now vigorously pursued, trumpeted and dissected by the media and the blogs, and roundly condemned. And I condemn such threats as well.

But in the past, whenever someone threatened Bush at a protest, there was a deafening silence on the part of the media and the left-leaning blogs, and consequently very little (if any) follow-through on the part of the Secret Service. Which I find quite distressing.

I'm sure the secret service never looked into any of these threats against bush, being that they are liberal democrats. :eek:

And I'm sure fox news never reported any of this either and of course it was eliminated from that liberal internet. Oh, wait, no it wasn't. You found it, didn't you? :tt1:

Just another tactic to deflect. Is that all you have now, PG, you have to go back and dig up some old pictures?

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Well, then, that just makes it okay that those on the right have engaged in violence. Did this man actually bomb the white house? Let me think for a minute. Ah, no.

I guess his SIGN (which is a non-violent protest) makes it okay to sever the gas line at the home of a brother of a democratic congressman, or throw bricks through window of democratic offices or spit on reps.

Yes, it's all so clear now. :tt1:

I never said it made it okay. I simply want to point out that tempers flare when people have their liberties taken from them and that dems had their day of death threats as well. Should I group you in with that man above holding the sign that says Kill Bush!? You are a murdererer, too? Can you see how ridiculus you're being when you say ALL conservatives are violent. It just doesn't hold water. Not all conservatives have a problem with holding in their anger and disgust over this HC Bill that is going to flush us financially down the toilet. Most look forward to getting their repayment with their vote in November. It's too bad that a small minority of them had to resort to throwing rocks. But

You didn't have that attitude about signs that tea party protesters were holding BEFORE the passing of the HC bill! You said they were haters, bigots, violent, etc. I guess you aretoo, since those who are in your party held these kinds of signs.

A protester with a sign saying “Kill Bush” and advocating that the White House be bombed, at the March 18, 2007 anti-war rally in San Francisco.

I'm sure the secret service never looked into any of these threats against bush, being that they are liberal democrats. :smile2:

And I'm sure fox news never reported any of this either and of course it was eliminated from that liberal internet. Oh, wait, no it wasn't. You found it, didn't you? :tt1:

Just another tactic to deflect. Is that all you have now, PG, you have to go back and dig up some old pictures?

These old pictures show YOU to be just as SICK as the conservatives whom you have SOOOOOOOOOO much to say about. They PROVE that democrats just like you were right out there doing the same kind of crap as some republicans today. And you talk about Hypocrits!!!:eek:

Are they REALLY going to shoot bush? Those mentally ill, psychotic democrats! They need to be imprisoned.

That's a black girl holding that poster of Bush. Racist!