I am probably going to open a whole new can worms here. I might regret opening later, but some of the topics being discussed really got me thinking about things. One of the things said that really kind of got me going on this was:

Pattygreen: Christians (usually conservative republicans) for the most part try to live moral, virtuous, nonsinful lives.

I am not a Christian and I live a moral, virtuous, and for the most part nonsinful life. I know several people who live the same, and are not Christian, and have conservative beliefs.

Cleo's Mom: First of all, "conservative republican" is redundant, because they are all conservative. I don't think there are any moderate republicans left particularly among those elected to office.

However, I just wonder if it is MORAL to mislead or outright lie, because listen to what these conservative republicans have said:

Dana Perino said on Fox: We did not have a domestic attack during bush's administration.

A month later Mary Matalin said: bush inherited 9/11 from Clinton.

Yesterday, Rudy Giuliani said that we never had a domestic attack under bush but we had one under Obama.

Now, I ask you - do these people think the American public is really that stupid? Apparently. Those on the right just make things up and keep repeating it. And when they repeat it often enough eventually some people begin to believe it.

They reduce things to some emotional, hate filled sound bite: death panels, obamacare, socialism, hitler, nazi.

This is because they are unable to engage in meaningful, intelligent, fact-based discussions. Maybe they don't want to do that because they don't have the facts on their side.

First I am a moderate Republican. I do tend to lean a little more to the right, but on some issues I lean to the left. Some things I can lean pretty right, and others I lean pretty far left. It really depends on the issue. I'd like to think that would make me moderate. I know many people who are moderate Republicans also. So we are still out there. There are some politicians who are still moderate also.

Second just because you are a Republican does not mean that you can not have a intelligent, meaningful, fact-based conversation. That is like saying liberals have their heads in clouds and live in fantasy nerf world filled with rainbows and butterflies.

Both sides sling mud back and forth. Both sides have their hate filled idiots. Both sides have their good and bad points. Both sides LIE, LIE, and LIE some more.

I get so sick and tired of hearing about how the Republicans have screwed everything up...I mean really they did it all alone.....no help from the left at all???

I personally feel that if you lean too far left or right you can't have a very grip on reality, and when our politicans lean too far left or right it's not good for our country either way. I hope someday too see more moderate politicans in office.

Did anybody act on any of these?

Violence Breaks Out at Anti-War Protest in St. Paul

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/violence-breaks.html Go to this link to see the violent democrats on video.

September 01, 2008 4:49 PM

UPDATE: As of Tuesday morning, police have arrested more than 280 demonstrators throughout the downtown St. Paul area, according to the Associated Press.

ABC News' Lindsey Ellerson Reports: Waving signs and chanting in unison "troops out now", thousands of anti-war protesters took to the streets of St. Paul Monday for what is the largest anti-war rally scheduled during the week of the Republican Convention. Police estimated a crowd of 8,000-10,000 at the event organized by the Coalition to March on the RNC and Stop the War, despite initial predictions that up to 50,000 demonstrators would show up.

The gathering kicked off at the State Capitol and soon gathered steam into a large march to the Xcel Energy Center, where Sen. John McCain is scheduled to accept the Republican nomination for president on Thursday.

Enthusiastic demonstrators screamed "war isn't the answer!", some inciting violence against police trying to control the march.

“Whose streets? Our streets!” yelled a young demonstrators who clashed with law enforcement.

As activists tried to push through police barricades to make their way down to the convention center, it appeared that police were using pepper spray to quell the chaotic activity.

"We do believe that some sort of chemical agent was deployed," said a representative from the RNC's Joint Information Center, when asked by ABCNews.

Officials are reporting that the protest activity resulted in 13 arrests, seven misdemeanors, two gross misdemeanors and four felonies today.

Edited March 26, 201016 yr by pattygreen

Video

Democrats threatened over health bill

March 25: Some lawmakers are taking extra security precautions after receiving death threats over their votes in favor of health reform legislation. Msnbc’s David Shuster reports.

msnbc tv

Did any of the anti-bush protestors sever a gas line, throw bricks through windows of republicans who voted yes on the Iraqi war?

Michelle, Your quote "Dana Perino said on Fox: We did not have a domestic attack during bush's administration."

When people say that we didn't have a domestic attack under Bush's administration, they are talking about "after" 9/11. EVERYONE knows, I mean, "it's a given", that 9/11 was at the beginning of Bush's term. SINCE THEN, when we went to war to stop these kinds of attacks, there hadn't been any attacks on our soil. If you think that Dana Perino didn't know that 9/11 happened while Bush was President, then you are mistaken. Noone needs to emphasize the words 'AFTER 9/11'. Everyone should know that, so it didn't need to be said.

Also, I didn't say that ONLY Christians try to live moral, virtuous and sinful lives. I said that for the most part, they try to.

Did anybody act on any of these?

NOTHING was done about the death threats by dems to president Bush at the time. Except for some who were arrested during the protest where they violently obstructed a republican convention. My point in posting them was to show Cleo's that her and her party were just as hot tempered over things done in the WH under another president. She is a hypocrit. She said nothing about people holding posters of Bush with his head in a noose while he was the president. That was okay, though.:tt1:

NOTHING was done about the death threats by dems to president Bush at the time. Except for some who were arrested during the protest where they violently obstructed a republican convention. My point in posting them was to show Cleo's that her and her party were just as hot tempered over things done in the WH under another president. She is a hypocrit. She said nothing about people holding posters of Bush with his head in a noose while he was the president. That was okay, though.:tt1:

No, you are the hypocrite, PG. None of these people threw bricks at the republican's offices or severed gas lines at the home of a man with 4 children under 8. Signs might be offensive, but they are not vandalism or violent.

And when you couldn't counter any of the endless examples of hypocrisy on the part of the republicans that I started with my thread, you found a reason to have it shut down. That won't stop me though. :eek:

Did any of the anti-bush protestors sever a gas line, throw bricks through windows of republicans who voted yes on the Iraqi war?

Monday, September 01, 2008

RNC: Anti-War Leftist Declare war .... on America, VIOLENT PROTEST

UPDATE: One final thought. I have been covering these leftist rallys for years and there has been a palaple change, slow at first, increasingly clear. These malcontents have always been insane and bizarre but these protests have become more and more deranged and violent. That's the change -- they have taken it to a whole different level - they are violent and they enjoy the chaos and the violence.

The media is not covering this anarchy. America needs to see the left for what they are. it could not be more critical with the election just weeks away.

Apparently this bust with weapons most vile did little to damper the rage of the left.

The bus that Jim Hoft over (at Gateway Pundit) was on was hit by cement bags by the anarchists were throwing off the overpasses onto the interstate. The anarchists missed the bus in front of us and nailed our bus with a direct hit. He has more here.

The AP;s pictures only the the police reacting to subdue the crowd. The slant is sick

Did anybody act on any of these?

I know you meant did anyone carry out physical violence that their sign reflected? No, I don't think bush was lynched.

BUS ATTACK IN ST. PAUL!!… Anarchists Attack RNC Busses! (Video)

Monday, September 1, 2008, 3:43 PM

Jim Hoft

WELCOME TO MINNESOTA!

Anarchists in St. Paul attacked RNC busses today en route to the Excel Center.

The anarchists and Leftists knew when the busses would be heading to the convention and were waiting for them.

They nearly killed us!

The anarchists and antiwar nuts were protesting on top of the interstate overpasses earlier in the day.

Click on the photo to watch the video:

THE LEFTISTS ALMOST KILLED US!

Later when the GOP busses started to take delegates from Minneapolis to St. Paul the anarchists started throwing sandbags and cement bags at the busses.

Unreal.

The bus I was riding was hit with cement bags that the anarchists were throwing off the overpasses down on the interstate. The anarchists missed the bus in front of us and nailed our bus with a direct hit.

The police had us slow down and then sent us under the interstate overpass when we were attacked.

There were several women and senior citizens on the bus.

UPDATE: Atlas Shrugs covered the massive anarchist riot outside the Excel Center this afternoon and has a couple amazing shots!

They were protesting war.

No rocks, Just sandbags and cement bags at moving vehicles so they could kill the people inside them. SICK!!!!!

So, YOU are the hypocrit. YOU liberals did the same things to conservatives and republicans when Bush was in office. YOU threw sand bags off a highway with cement in them in order to kill those going to the republican convention in St Louis. These liberals activists attacked them all. They are extreme terrorists!!!!!

The Leftist, anarchist, Obama-supporting radicals attacked RNC delegates today at the Xcel Center and sprayed them with a toxic substance.

An 80 year old RNC delegate had to be hospitalized!!

MyFOX Twin Cities reported:

As the Connecticut delegation was getting off a bus near the Xcel Center, a group of protesters broke free from authorities and attacked the delegates.

Connecticut delegate Rob Simmons told FOX 9 that a group of protesters came toward his delegation and

tried to rip the credentials off their necks and sprayed them with a toxic substance.

The unknown substance burned their eyes and stained their clothes.

One 80-year-old member of the delegation had to be treated for injuries,

and

several other delegates had to rinse their eyes and clothing.

Violent liberal terrorists!!!!!

CT Delegation Attacked

Posted by admin on 9/01/08 • Categorized as Local News

The Connecticut delegation to the Republican National Convention was attacked today as they attempted to enter the Xcel Center in St. Paul, Minnesota.

The delegation – including official delegates, alternates, and guests – numbering approximately 120 people – got off the buses and began to walk through the security perimeter into the Convention Hall when they encountered a large group of RNC protesters who formed a human chain to block the delegation from continuing and shouting epithets at the Nutmeggers.

Police officers in riot gear quickly converged on the protestors as the delegation attempted to walk through the blockade. Delegates were shoved and spat upon by the protestors.

When Chairman Healy’s mother Lila was spat upon by a protester, former U.S. Rep. Rob Simmons stepped between the elder Healy and the crowd. He was doused with a liquid substance that was later determined to be a mix of clorox and water. At least 10 other delegates also were hit with liquid.

With police assistance, the delegation managed to break through the crowd and slip inside the security perimeter. The police quickly responded to the altercation and were able to prevent it from escalating further.

The St Paul police and the Secret Service are investigating how the protesters were able to get into the area unopposed.

So, you see, LIBERALS spitting upon republicans and dousing them with liquid CLOROX!!1 Violent, SICK, TERRORISTS!!!!!

We’ll have more shortly.

Did any of the anti-bush protestors sever a gas line, throw bricks through windows of republicans who voted yes on the Iraqi war?

YES!!! THEY DID THOSE SAME SORT OF THINGS!!!

September 01, 2008

Streets Turn Nasty in St. Paul

Larrey Anderson

The far-left is making its presence known here at the RNC in St. Paul. Smoke bombs thrown, protestors linking themselves together with "sleeping dragons" to block traffic, bus tires slashed, and at least one bus carrying passengers attacked. The anarchists are at it.

Here is an exclusive photo of one of the buses attacked by the demonstrators:

Security at the Xcel Center is tight, as you can see from this shot:

And the police seem prepared to keep the demonstrators at bay.

So far, the protests have been quickly contained. But the far-left is doing in St. Paul at the RNC what it only threatened to do in Denver at the DNC.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/streets_turn_nasty_in_st_paul.html

See the photos of broken windows at this website. For some reason they wouldn't post with the article.

Edited March 27, 201016 yr by pattygreen

Patty "We’ll have more shortly."

I hope you don't mean more posts on this 1 incident, 5 different posts from the same occurrence is enough. Especially since the disturbance was mostly concert goers (Rage against the machine) not political activists.