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Yep. Attacking under their own SN = odd but tolerable. Making up a new SN for the sole purpose of attacking = creepy, verging on psychotic, and down-right immature. The people doing the first are just blowing off steam. The folks doing the second make me wonder what'll happen if they find addresses.

OK, OK, I admit it. I'm actually also WASaBubbleButt and Laurend.

'Roe v. Wade for Men' suit nixed - U.S. Life - MSNBC.com

Your thoughts? Should a father be forced to pay child support if he wanted the mother to have an abortion?

To me this does not seem like a close call. It seems clear that once the child is born the father has to pay.

The facts indicate that the woman either did not know she could become pregnant or deliberately tricked the man by telling him that she could not get pregnant. This does indicate that the man has some points on his side and it is a raw deal to be forced to pay child support for 18 years after being deceived. But still, once the child is born there is just no other way.

Lap Band from me because my company has Small Business Insurance and it says that its not a covered benefit. How can I get by that ?? I feel I shouldn't be discriminated by that just because my employers are cheap and truley could opt for the large business insurance but I know them ( partially family) and they won't employ over the 50 people minimum to get that insurance just because of that am I am to suffer. I would have thought that PPO would be agreat insurance. But you can bet the boss gets everything of "hers" covered once it's denied and she's lucky she can manipulate the health plan to suit her needs and not the needs of the employees. WHAT can I do ? I am desperate ! Please help !

Susan :-(

Susan, when it comes to insurance exclusions sometimes there is just nothing you can do. I would get some advice on how best to present your case and then appeal the decision to the insurance company if there is any gray area. But there may not be.

Many other people have been in this position, and many of them eventually come to the point where they figure out a way to self pay. My doctor (link is in my signature) was only $9950. Some of the Mexican doctors are even less, around $8500, and many people here have used these doctors with great success.

The truth is, even if you pay for it yourself, you will still very likely come out ahead when you consider the lower medical bills in the future for obesity related health problems, lower food cost, and overall better quality of life.

I wish I could tell you that there is a sure way around the insurance exclusion. But sometimes there just isn't.

I HATE Christmas music more than I hate Rap/Hip Hop-and believe me, I HATE Rap/Hip Hop.

I'm sorry to hear that. I just produced an album of Hip Hop Christmas Music called "Holiday Hip Hop From Good King WencesPants"

I predict that you will not be a purchaser.

Hey, I can identify. I have a cat named Mouse (and one named Minnie that looks exactly like him). And if I ever get a Great Dane, I plan on considering Miss Kitty as a name.

Our cat is named Monkey. And we had a rat named Mouse. But he recently passed on to his reward.

i am making a circus tent out of my fat cloths...............to never forget so any ideas or does anyone like to give me donashins>>>>>>>>>

I would have liked to contribute, but I just sold my last pair of jeans to The Flying Elvi. They plan to make a set of a dozen parachutes.

I adore Shih Tzus... my favorite breed!

I feel sorry for male Shih Tzus (if there are any). Talk about growing up confused.

SO whats a slight unfill?

A "slight unfill" involves the nexus of Gatorade, laughter, and the nose.

Shih Tzu's are not as cute as Shelties. Having a brachycephalic dog is a sign that your band is too tight. You and your dog should both be taking pea sized bites.....

I think you are full of Shih Tzu.

The human head weighs eight pounds....

I'm confused. Half the people I meet call me "Fat Head" and the other half call me "Pin Head." So, does that mean my head weighs more then eight pounds, or less?

No, no kitties but I have mentally retarded Shih Tzu (brain damage at birth), a neurotic OCD Poodle (beaten, kicked, and abused in ways that are nothing short of a horror as a puppy), Pickles the bunny, and Mr. Fish.

You forgot to mention what kind of animal is Mr. Fish.

If I read your posts right, you believe it is acceptable to answer a newbie's question then come straight to this thread and make fun of the very questions they ask. That is exactly what you have done. You are not required to answer newbie questions. This isnt your job. Maybe it is your LIFE but it isnt your job.

I feel so very sorry for you. I bet you have a housefull of cats too dont you?

Yes, you are correct, I think that is perfectly alright to answer a newbie's question and come straight to this thread and make fun of the very question they ask. I would not make a habit of it, but I think it is perfectly fine to do one time. And I also know that if I were a newbie, I would think this thread was very funny too. I am quite capable of laughing at myself.

In any event, your indignation and heroic defense of the little guy has been duly noted. Thank you for your contribution. All 26 if my cats are duly impressed.

I find this thread pretty bad too. Lots of people do come here for support & maybe some questions seem pretty stupid to experienced bandster but having this thread where they are mocked & made fun of isn't very supportive!!

In general I am pretty patient with newbies, as are most of the people who posted on this thread. But the truth is, newbies ask some pretty dumb questions. It seems to me that a newbie should be inclined to run a couple searches before asking "what is a pb?" We can be patient with dumb questions, and give people the support they are looking for 99.9% of the time. But just this once, I think people decided to let off some steam over these dumb questions. To me, this seems acceptable. I think the Karma gods will forgive. I think that people will find the support they are looking for. But just this once . . . After all, if I have to answer "what is a pb" one more time, I may loose my mind. :heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh:

I have trouble with ninja throwing stars. Even with gravy, I can't get them to go down.

My dog's better than your dog.:heh:

Elena M: I too feel very compassionate for your friend who was forced to undergo 2 abortions when she would have much rather had the babies. No wonder she is so conflicted even now about this. I am happy to see that there are so many people here who are posting who have suggestions for organizations to help your friend.

It does make me wonder though. I had 2 good friends who got pregnant when we were seniors in high school. Both on the cheerleading squad with me... but I digress.

The point is that one of them had an abortion, which she very much wanted. The other was sent to St. Louis to a home for wayward women. Her mother forced her to do this and have the child. The child was born with Down's Syndrome.

The friend who had the abortion went on to complete our senior year and she participated in all the academic, Pep Squad, Drama and Debate activies where she excelled. She graduated from college, went to grad school, became a teacher, got married, had four children, and became a principal. She has never regretted her decision.

The second girl, whose mother insisted that she NOT get an abortion which was against the law at the time, wound up having to get her high school diploma a year late after giving her baby up for adoption. She went to college in fits and spurts and wound up becoming an RN. The adoption never happened, because no one wanted her Down's Syndrome baby. She wound up taking the little guy back and raising him herself. She has been married 3 times, has 3 other children, all normal, and is as looney as Bugs Bunny.

Do you feel compassion for these women as much as for the girl that Elena told us about? Do you have any clue as to why I might feel so pro-choice?

All the various stories we see on this thread are interesting and thought provoking and very clearly demonstrate the infinite variety and highly personal nature of all these situations. Anyone who is against abortion definitely should not have one. But it is impossible for me to comprehend how anyone could advocate that the particular beliefs of one group should be forced onto all others who then must act against their own needs and wishes or face criminal prosecution. I'll never understand that view at at all.

This one goes to everyone, I just want your opinion...

My best friend had two abortions when she was 16 and 17 years old.... she was boy crazy at the time, her dad had passed away, her self esteem was so low and well, she got pregnant, her mom took her the an abortion clinic and made her have two abortions, didn't give her a choice... we never talked about it, she didn't like to talk about it, years later she finally told me that she resented her mom for making that decision for her and not giving her a choice and that she went along with it because she didn't know better and was scared....she does feel guilty about the abortions, I didn't know what to say, finally I told her that she shouldn't feel guilty, she was a minor, she was so young and scared, then she said that her mom wasn't a good mother and should have helped her instead of just pushing her to abort the babies, this was back in the 70's... she never told her mom and her mom passed away, but I know she resents her because of that, I knew her mom as well and she really was a good mom to her and a nice person overall, I really don't know what to tell my friend whenever we talk about this now, how do you feel about it? do you blame my friend, her mom, or both? or no one?

I don't think it is necessarily productive to try and sort out who is to blame. We are all flawed, we do the best we can, we make mistakes. What happened happened. It's in the past now. It seems to me that the best thing your friend can do is try not to allow these past resentments and regrets to damage her present and future life. Listening to your story it seems to me that a large dose of forgiveness all around, of herself, and her mom, would be the best thing here, if it is possible.

I've been described as "Florida-like"

Randon drive by post just for the halibut? I hate fish.

I am posting this...just to post!!:biggrin1:

Have you gone postal?

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Heres a story...I had a very LIBERAL friend in college, however we did get along, just tried to stray away from political conversations to keep from getting each others boiling points up. She was BIG on abortion, she ALWAYS said that if she got pregnant she would abort it ASAP, and blah blah blah etc...well one day I realize that I hadnt really seen her for about 3 or 4 days, and she lived across the hall from me. I go knock on her door, she was TOTALLY not herself...very sad, very withdrawn, etc...I asked her what was going on and she finally cracked...She had secretly took a friend of hers from class to get an abortion, and it really messed her up for about 2-3 weeks, now she is adamantly against it. She is still scarred by it, almost a year later. I thought that was interesting, someone SO set in their ways could change their mind that easily.

All these kinds of stories are interesting and they may make a difference to some people in some circumstances. But I think it is important keep in mind that they are totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. The issue is not whether abortion is good or bad. The issue is whether the state has the right to force women to bring children to term when they do not want to for any number of reasons. That's the issue here.

When you tell your stories about how bad abortion is, etc., these stories may be effective in changing someone's mind some day. Maybe you will stop someone from having an abortion, and maybe that will be a good outcome for that person. I personally support your right to tell these stories.

But again, even though such stories are appropriate in this thread, they are totally irrelevant to the real issue. And that is, again, does the state have the right to force women to bring the child to term when the women, having heard all the stories, still don't want to. That is the issue here.

I am not particularly "in favor" of abortion. I think very few people, pro choice or otherwise, are "in favor" of people having more abortions. A particular woman may be in favor of an abortion for herself under certain circumstances, but I've never known anyone who generally would encourage other people to have more abortions. The issue here is not that one side is "in favor" of abortions and the other side is not. The issue is, who gets to decide what an individual woman should do. Is it up to so-called "pro-life" people to force their views on others and criminalize this most personal of choices? Most of us don't think so.

So, feel free to tell your stories. Just keep in mind that your own personal opinion about abortions is really totally irrelevant. The issue here is whether you have the right to force your personal opinion on others. No matter what the law is, or what the Supreme Court says, the women of this country will never let others make that decision for them. They never have, and they never will.

I grew up in Santa Monica and Venice in Southern California and it was a great place to live, but to me now the crowds and traffic are just too much to bear. Same with San Francisco. A glorious place but suffocating in some ways now.

I lived for many years on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington. Very beautiful and not too crowded, I loved it there. Too rainy for my wife so its off the list, which makes me a little sad.

Maine and Massachusetts are spectacular. Just a little too cold to live all year round. But great places to visit.

Florida has its good points, indeed. I lived there for a few years. But the summer heat is too much for me.

Lately I've really been enjoying the Delaware beach areas. There are some parts that are not too crowded at all, and there are still a lot of unspoiled nature preserves, etc. It's not too expensive. My wife loves it as much as I do. I just hope not too many people discover what an awesome place it is there. Kinda thinking that it might be the place we'll end up some day, hopefully soon.

I also want to mention that if you are paying for this yourself there are many less expensive options. My doc was $9950. You can find a lot of information about cost by searching in the forum, or just post a question about it.

I asked my Dr. to phone in a Rx for Vaniqa. I didn't even stop and think about what it would cost. On the way home I went to pick it up and my doctor had called in 2 months' worth - 2 tubes. The cost was $311.97.

If you don't know what Vaniqa is, it's a cream you apply twice daily to slow facial hair growth in women. It clearly states it does not remove or prevent facial Hair growth, it just slows it down. During clinical trials, 42% of women reported no change or increased growth.

It's 4 - 6 weeks before you notice any difference, and after that it's supposed to slow the growth "moderately." You still have to remove the hair. I was told that if I wax my eyebrows once a month, I might expect to only wax them every 6 weeks. That's like paying $75 per week of not waxing. The most I've ever paid for an actual wax was $40, usually it's around $10. Hmm, not much debating the bargain. Oh, and if you don't see results in 6 months (or $935, whichever way you want to look at it) you discontinue use and chalk it up to "not for me." And then cry because you're out the money.

Perhaps life is just a big joke, after all.