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Why this is so hard stems from a number of issues most of us face having to go through WLS...
Psychologically, as compulsive eaters, it becomes ingrained into our daily life that we need to eat excessive amounts. It takes overcoming of what we did to ourselves to change this, and whatever psychological element we go through that compels us to consume this way.
And discipline.. many of us were simply not disciplined in how we went about things, so we suffered the consequences of it.
Having to suddenly find yourself disciplined and moderating is a massive psychological and physiological shock -- the body doesn't like sudden changes. So the side effects of this is something we unfortunately have to bear and get past.. which generally does happen with time and discipline.

If you trusted the surgeon enough to cut you and remove 80% of an organ, you may want to give his opinion on alcohol consumption some more thought. I had a few drinks at 5 months, but I have the sleeve and I had clearance with my surgeon. First time you drink there is a very real possibility of getting sick.

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It has made my day to read this I swear, that comic is amazing. I didn't realize this topic was in the mens discussion room. Holy fkn funny.I'm not sure if this happens to women, but if it does I don't know how I could actually be hornier. I'm 30 so I'm already in my sexual prime. If the situation was backwards, I sure wouldn't change my partner if he couldn't keep up, I'd just make him watch ahaha ok ok back to work, somehow supposed to concentrate..

I just fap a lot more. Wife can't keep up with me right now since we've been really busy.
It's actually rather annoying.
- See innocent news article or flyer ad
- Has female with normal looking womens clothes on
- Get boner
- Have to stop what I'm doing and go fap or else get a huge boner in a public space

I just fap a lot more. Wife can't keep up with me right now since we've been really busy.
It's actually rather annoying.
- See innocent news article or flyer ad
- Has female with normal looking womens clothes on
- Get boner
- Have to stop what I'm doing and go fap or else get a huge boner in a public space

Try a small bite of it and swallow.. if it seems like too much, or the effect bothers you too much, don't eat any more, put it off for a week or two down the road, and go with soft solids like Beans, scrambled eggs, string cheese, etc. It's not gonna kill you. Progression from liquids is a good thing. I was on liquids for 2 weeks post-op, 3rd week started soft solids, 4th week was on regular food. It did hit me hard, but I ate very slow, and in moderation.. it's a new experience coming from liquids to solids where restriction really hits you.

I once had vertigo.. some of the most miserable weeks in my life. Was the result of a severe inner ear infection. Stand up, walk worse than being drunk.. lie down, room spins and makes me feel sick. Close my eyes, it spins faster. Terrible. I was given some kind of Clavamox or Amoxicillin combo drug that absolutely ran roughshod over my digestive tract as a result.. set off a 1-3 month episode of psoriasis in bad places that I never had before.
Even after it was gone, I had issues riding elevators for months afterwards, would make me feel nauseated. Couldn't even think about theme park rides.. so glad that didn't last too long.

Great posts. This is why it's extremely important for people with addictive personalities to be extremely wary of engaging in anything they find addictive post-op.. there's a higher risk of what @dsdesignamentioned is "transfer addiction".
We should be wary in general of what we consume due to WLS impacting the way our body processes food, physiologically and psychologically. However, extra baggage like this requires extra caution.. and if one even thinks they might not be able to moderate themselves, abstain entirely.
In my case, my liver damage was done comprehensively by a horrific American style diet rife with extremely carb dense food, carb/sugar dense liquids, and a sedentary lifestyle. While I did hit bottles pretty hard in the few time I did have a drink (would go through most of a 750mL bottle of Captain Morgan in the span of an entire day, mixing with sodas like Cherry Coke for example), never getting to the point of throwing up, but enough to have to watch how I walked, I didn't drink often whatsoever, maybe a small handful of times a year. It was a blessing because my mother and father were both alcoholics, so I had been warned that I was predisposed to alcoholism, but that never transferred to me. Nonetheless, with my phases of depression came food addiction, which, as far as the liver is concerned, just as bad as alcohol and drugs, just doesn't damage it as fast as those things can/will.
So to summarize, sodas and alcohol will hit us twice as hard post-WLS as it will before.. it's extremely imperative we monitor ourselves, and it's important to identify potential addictive behaviors or addiction transfers and nix them right away:
1) Keep food, especially snack foods, further away from where you veg out and harder to reach,
2) If you're the only one in the house that eats certain junk food, just don't get it at all, it's presence is especially bad for anyone susceptible to compulsive/addictive eating/drinking behaviors,
3) Talk yourself out of it.. there's no one that will save you from you.
4) Especially monitor booze if you're going to drink it.. and drink it slow, because the sleeve might allow it to pass through us that means it makes us drunk that much faster, and it also means it can overwhelm the liver that much faster.

My apologies.. I extend you an olive branch:

Pepsi releases its strongest, most carbonated soda ever


http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2016/05/23/pepsi-releases-its-strongest-most-carbonated-soda-ever.html

Constant is usually a sign you're eating and/or drinking too quickly. Doing this causes the body to move stuff more quickly through you -- i.e. peristalsis. Dial it back some.. i.e. slow down.
And I just realized this thread is 6-7 years old.. holy necro.

I once had vertigo.. some of the most miserable weeks in my life. Was the result of a severe inner ear infection. Stand up, walk worse than being drunk.. lie down, room spins and makes me feel sick. Close my eyes, it spins faster. Terrible. I was given some kind of Clavamox or Amoxicillin combo drug that absolutely ran roughshod over my digestive tract as a result.. set off a 1-3 month episode of psoriasis in bad places that I never had before.
Even after it was gone, I had issues riding elevators for months afterwards, would make me feel nauseated. Couldn't even think about theme park rides.. so glad that didn't last too long.

I have the same thing, but strangely enough, it's gotten better since I had surgery. I spoke with a Dr about it and she referred me to an ENT who specializes in inner ear disorders (I still have not gone). I did notice if I have a few days of high-sodium meals it would get worse. I also have vertigo in my R ear.

I'd let your doctors know.. after looking at medical journals this doesn't seem to be much an indicator of anything by itself (other than the annoyance you described), but it can be found in diagnoses regarding the cariovascular system. If you're already being well maintained and are having regular checkups I'd probably not think much of it, but still let them know for it to be on record in case something does come up, or in case they find out something new.

Try a small bite of it and swallow.. if it seems like too much, or the effect bothers you too much, don't eat any more, put it off for a week or two down the road, and go with soft solids like Beans, scrambled eggs, string cheese, etc. It's not gonna kill you. Progression from liquids is a good thing. I was on liquids for 2 weeks post-op, 3rd week started soft solids, 4th week was on regular food. It did hit me hard, but I ate very slow, and in moderation.. it's a new experience coming from liquids to solids where restriction really hits you.

Great posts. This is why it's extremely important for people with addictive personalities to be extremely wary of engaging in anything they find addictive post-op.. there's a higher risk of what @dsdesignamentioned is "transfer addiction".
We should be wary in general of what we consume due to WLS impacting the way our body processes food, physiologically and psychologically. However, extra baggage like this requires extra caution.. and if one even thinks they might not be able to moderate themselves, abstain entirely.
In my case, my liver damage was done comprehensively by a horrific American style diet rife with extremely carb dense food, carb/sugar dense liquids, and a sedentary lifestyle. While I did hit bottles pretty hard in the few time I did have a drink (would go through most of a 750mL bottle of Captain Morgan in the span of an entire day, mixing with sodas like Cherry Coke for example), never getting to the point of throwing up, but enough to have to watch how I walked, I didn't drink often whatsoever, maybe a small handful of times a year. It was a blessing because my mother and father were both alcoholics, so I had been warned that I was predisposed to alcoholism, but that never transferred to me. Nonetheless, with my phases of depression came food addiction, which, as far as the liver is concerned, just as bad as alcohol and drugs, just doesn't damage it as fast as those things can/will.
So to summarize, sodas and alcohol will hit us twice as hard post-WLS as it will before.. it's extremely imperative we monitor ourselves, and it's important to identify potential addictive behaviors or addiction transfers and nix them right away:
1) Keep food, especially snack foods, further away from where you veg out and harder to reach,
2) If you're the only one in the house that eats certain junk food, just don't get it at all, it's presence is especially bad for anyone susceptible to compulsive/addictive eating/drinking behaviors,
3) Talk yourself out of it.. there's no one that will save you from you.
4) Especially monitor booze if you're going to drink it.. and drink it slow, because the sleeve might allow it to pass through us that means it makes us drunk that much faster, and it also means it can overwhelm the liver that much faster.

For me, it was a rather easy choice.. keep drinking soda and wind up with liver cirrhosis (irreversible damage) in a few years, or stop and don't.
Soda in itself isn't horrific if you're having it in moderation.. it can certainly cause a stall so recommended not to touch it until you've plateaued.
But what got me into trouble was having 100oz 7-Eleven cups several times a week. Just devastating to the body. If you aren't having any major health issues on the side, I don't think it's imperative other than something to complement your weight loss, and for better permanent habits.
I think if we go with the mindset of "never ever ever ever ever" regarding things we previously enjoyed we're setting ourselves up to break that, and without restraint. I've not ruled out soda, but having zero drinks of soda since the day before my pre-op diet started (January 31st), I can tell I'm far better off. The psychoactive aspects of sugar and caffeine in the soda had a very prolonged effect on me throughout February -- I was shaky, irritable, tired, etc. -- even though mentally I did not want the soda seeing what it had done to me, my body still wanted it. I've figured next summer on a trip out to California I might have some Cherry Coke or something, but honestly I won't care if I don't.
So.. anyways, I've always liked Water. The only two things I ever drink anymore are water and milk, and I rarely have more than 1 cup a day of milk since 3 weeks out. I like water quite a bit, so it's not an issue of finding things to drink, I just can't have water at room temperature, has to be with a ton of ice and very cold. For me, soda was never something I could drink in moderation, but with all that I've learned, since pre-op I've changed the way I see food, drinks, etc. significantly and I force myself to portion less regardless of what I'm having.
People who are thinner but have the kind of metabolism to gain weight easily, I'd say probably stay away as much as you can, mainly because it doesn't take much carbs for the liver to start converting the excess to fat, especially at a low weight your body does not consume nearly as much energy just to function, so the need for carbs and cals is even more restricted unless you're doing rigorous exercise.

Alcoholism is a serious problem for post WLS. It's a transfer addiction. Be very careful. It's not just about the calories, it's the damage you are doing to your liver. Most WLS patients already have extensive scar tissue from having a fatty liver pre surgery. It takes a long time for that to heal if ever.

I cheated big time, and thanks to that, I was in better position for surgery than if I had kept trying to follow my idiot RD's imposed diet.
Ensure whomever is recommending your diet actually does a plan you can follow.

If it was poison people would be literally dying from it, and the companies would be sued out of existence with how much their products are consumed. Brominated vegetable oil is an emulsifier. It's a poison like many other things we consume ONLY if in high concentration. You kinda left out that convenient fact. Cherries and almonds have cyanide.. going to say they're poison? What you just espoused is logic identically used to suggest vaccinations are dangerous. Conspiracies and exaggerations help no one.

If it was poison people would be literally dying from it, and the companies would be sued out of existence with how much their products are consumed. Brominated vegetable oil is an emulsifier. It's a poison like many other things we consume ONLY if in high concentration. You kinda left out that convenient fact. Cherries and almonds have cyanide.. going to say they're poison? What you just espoused is logic identically used to suggest vaccinations are dangerous. Conspiracies and exaggerations help no one.

If it was poison people would be literally dying from it, and the companies would be sued out of existence with how much their products are consumed. Brominated vegetable oil is an emulsifier. It's a poison like many other things we consume ONLY if in high concentration. You kinda left out that convenient fact. Cherries and almonds have cyanide.. going to say they're poison? What you just espoused is logic identically used to suggest vaccinations are dangerous. Conspiracies and exaggerations help no one.

For me, it was a rather easy choice.. keep drinking soda and wind up with liver cirrhosis (irreversible damage) in a few years, or stop and don't.
Soda in itself isn't horrific if you're having it in moderation.. it can certainly cause a stall so recommended not to touch it until you've plateaued.
But what got me into trouble was having 100oz 7-Eleven cups several times a week. Just devastating to the body. If you aren't having any major health issues on the side, I don't think it's imperative other than something to complement your weight loss, and for better permanent habits.
I think if we go with the mindset of "never ever ever ever ever" regarding things we previously enjoyed we're setting ourselves up to break that, and without restraint. I've not ruled out soda, but having zero drinks of soda since the day before my pre-op diet started (January 31st), I can tell I'm far better off. The psychoactive aspects of sugar and caffeine in the soda had a very prolonged effect on me throughout February -- I was shaky, irritable, tired, etc. -- even though mentally I did not want the soda seeing what it had done to me, my body still wanted it. I've figured next summer on a trip out to California I might have some Cherry Coke or something, but honestly I won't care if I don't.
So.. anyways, I've always liked Water. The only two things I ever drink anymore are water and milk, and I rarely have more than 1 cup a day of milk since 3 weeks out. I like water quite a bit, so it's not an issue of finding things to drink, I just can't have water at room temperature, has to be with a ton of ice and very cold. For me, soda was never something I could drink in moderation, but with all that I've learned, since pre-op I've changed the way I see food, drinks, etc. significantly and I force myself to portion less regardless of what I'm having.
People who are thinner but have the kind of metabolism to gain weight easily, I'd say probably stay away as much as you can, mainly because it doesn't take much carbs for the liver to start converting the excess to fat, especially at a low weight your body does not consume nearly as much energy just to function, so the need for carbs and cals is even more restricted unless you're doing rigorous exercise.

For me, it was a rather easy choice.. keep drinking soda and wind up with liver cirrhosis (irreversible damage) in a few years, or stop and don't.
Soda in itself isn't horrific if you're having it in moderation.. it can certainly cause a stall so recommended not to touch it until you've plateaued.
But what got me into trouble was having 100oz 7-Eleven cups several times a week. Just devastating to the body. If you aren't having any major health issues on the side, I don't think it's imperative other than something to complement your weight loss, and for better permanent habits.
I think if we go with the mindset of "never ever ever ever ever" regarding things we previously enjoyed we're setting ourselves up to break that, and without restraint. I've not ruled out soda, but having zero drinks of soda since the day before my pre-op diet started (January 31st), I can tell I'm far better off. The psychoactive aspects of sugar and caffeine in the soda had a very prolonged effect on me throughout February -- I was shaky, irritable, tired, etc. -- even though mentally I did not want the soda seeing what it had done to me, my body still wanted it. I've figured next summer on a trip out to California I might have some Cherry Coke or something, but honestly I won't care if I don't.
So.. anyways, I've always liked Water. The only two things I ever drink anymore are water and milk, and I rarely have more than 1 cup a day of milk since 3 weeks out. I like water quite a bit, so it's not an issue of finding things to drink, I just can't have water at room temperature, has to be with a ton of ice and very cold. For me, soda was never something I could drink in moderation, but with all that I've learned, since pre-op I've changed the way I see food, drinks, etc. significantly and I force myself to portion less regardless of what I'm having.
People who are thinner but have the kind of metabolism to gain weight easily, I'd say probably stay away as much as you can, mainly because it doesn't take much carbs for the liver to start converting the excess to fat, especially at a low weight your body does not consume nearly as much energy just to function, so the need for carbs and cals is even more restricted unless you're doing rigorous exercise.

For me, it was a rather easy choice.. keep drinking soda and wind up with liver cirrhosis (irreversible damage) in a few years, or stop and don't.
Soda in itself isn't horrific if you're having it in moderation.. it can certainly cause a stall so recommended not to touch it until you've plateaued.
But what got me into trouble was having 100oz 7-Eleven cups several times a week. Just devastating to the body. If you aren't having any major health issues on the side, I don't think it's imperative other than something to complement your weight loss, and for better permanent habits.
I think if we go with the mindset of "never ever ever ever ever" regarding things we previously enjoyed we're setting ourselves up to break that, and without restraint. I've not ruled out soda, but having zero drinks of soda since the day before my pre-op diet started (January 31st), I can tell I'm far better off. The psychoactive aspects of sugar and caffeine in the soda had a very prolonged effect on me throughout February -- I was shaky, irritable, tired, etc. -- even though mentally I did not want the soda seeing what it had done to me, my body still wanted it. I've figured next summer on a trip out to California I might have some Cherry Coke or something, but honestly I won't care if I don't.
So.. anyways, I've always liked Water. The only two things I ever drink anymore are water and milk, and I rarely have more than 1 cup a day of milk since 3 weeks out. I like water quite a bit, so it's not an issue of finding things to drink, I just can't have water at room temperature, has to be with a ton of ice and very cold. For me, soda was never something I could drink in moderation, but with all that I've learned, since pre-op I've changed the way I see food, drinks, etc. significantly and I force myself to portion less regardless of what I'm having.
People who are thinner but have the kind of metabolism to gain weight easily, I'd say probably stay away as much as you can, mainly because it doesn't take much carbs for the liver to start converting the excess to fat, especially at a low weight your body does not consume nearly as much energy just to function, so the need for carbs and cals is even more restricted unless you're doing rigorous exercise.