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Believe me, you will still have people eating too much of the unhealthy foods. Maybe not 4 months out, but 1 year or more out. I'm on two German speaking boards as well and there seems to be a lot of what I've heard is called LOC (loss of control) eating. Usually the threads are titled "HELP! I can't control myself anymore!! What's wrong with me all of a sudden??" They almost all got the 6 months program and the psych evaluation (I'm talking about patients in Germany). There is no bullet-proof solution to avoid falling down the wagon. Emotional eating is a strong bitch to come to terms with. I always recommend the books written by Karen Koenig or books about emotional eating in general. Pretty helpful stuff in there. I hold the opinion (and I know it's a very unpopular one on this board) that one has to learn how to deal with the temptations as early as possible - and when I talk about "dealing with it" I don't mean abstinence.

I can understand this. The person has already made up her/his mind and if the person is aware of the consequences - it's ultimately her/his decision. I was a vegetarian before surgery and a vegan for a whole while. I'd like to go back there and have taken steps into this direction. The nutritionists on my bariatric team don't mind a vegetarian diet at all. They're a bit cautious about going vegan but say it can be done. When I'm now writing on a vegan/veg thread discussing the veg/vegan options you have after WLS I don't want someone tromping around how "unhealthy" or "dangerous" that is. I simply want to talk about how it's possible to meet the nutritional goals while eating vegan. I don't need self-proclaimed whistle blowers while exploring my options. That's just annoying.

I usually skip these posts as well. I don't have anything really constructive to say. I could say that it's dangerous and that people mustn't do it again for their own safety. I remember when being at the hospital that there was a lot of food stolen from the fridge. Patients hat the possibility to put their own stuff into the fridge, e. g. some yogurts. I don't know if that is food addiction out of control or simply being an asshole. Absolutely. After all, we want to live a life as normal as possible (or so I think) and that includes eating out and eating stuff the people around us consider "normal". It doesn't mean gorging yourself on burgers and chocolate daily but that wouldn't be considered "normal" anyway by the people in my immediate environment.

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@@john925 I couldn't have said it any better. I absolutely agree. PS: If it's really true that users on here made plans on how to ridicule and bully other members then that's just sickening and the ban is well deserved. Don't these people have lives to live?

I'm not able to express without being impolite how much I hate these "big girl panties" comments.

I have MGB but don't have the issues you're experiencing now (however, I'm only 8 months out so...). Your surgeon seems to be very quick about recommending revision into RNY. An "it might be IBS" doesn't sound like a valid reason for performing revision. If possible see the doctor in person and I'd get a second opinion before revision, especially if you really don't want one. There should be proper diagnostic done before deciding what treatment might be the best.

I choose the fast food that tastes good reheated. Asian food is usually good for re-heating. pizza tastes good when reheated in the oven. I wrap and freeze slices individually. Makes a quick meal and the frozen slices keep for weeks. Doener doesn't reheat well and I don't like to eat them cold. I don't care for the typical fast food burger or sandwich you can get in Germany.

On this board: a lot of people. Anyway, I still don't know why people post so much about eating fast food here as this board is very judgmental when it comes to eating fast food. The harsh posts will come for sure. Is it to actively provoke that kind of reaction?

Me, too. It's different from person to person. For many people (including me) it's different from day to day. On some days I feel like I can eat the whole tuna steak and have some more, on some other days I feel ridiculously full after a half one. The same goes for other foods as well.

Absolutely but not that early out. Fast foods are usually loaded with fat and I don't think I would have been able to stomach it before being three or four months out. I'm having problems with certain stuff so I don't eat it (e. g. french fries, somehow can't stomach them).

That's something I don't understand as well. Everyone who's browsing the boards for a while knows that there will be harsh answers. Trolling? And why should I make a post about some gummy worms I've eaten a few minutes ago anyway? So I've eaten them a few minutes ago. Now what? I neither need absolution nor tough love a kick in the bee-hind.

Complications really stink. As I already said, I admit I had an easy recovery (not that an easy recovery is something bad, or something I should be somehow ashamed of but I think it changes perspective on things). I'm one of the people who had a hard time seeing the scale go down. I was absolutely surprised when another kg was gone even though I wasn't able to exercise much because of my shoulder (still having problems) because even walking or running hurts after a while, let alone biking. I never thought maintaining weight after I reached a low with the GB was that hard before the fill needed to be removed though I never got to BMI 25 or lower. I needed to pay some attention but it definitely wasn't the obsessive self-control horror I went through before WLS. I think now I need to exert about as much self-control as many non-obese people need to exert when they reach the age of 40 (that's the impression I have when talking to other people) and in my view that's ok but I don't know how it will be a few years down the road since my MGB is a fairly new one. I did ok maintaining with the GB, that gives me hope for the MGB future.

What you've listed here is exactly the same as with "conventional dieting", except the recovery phase. Ever heard of Optifast? I didn't do it but compared to the length of their liquid phase, the surgical liquid phase pales in comparison. Compared with what I have endured with dieting in the past I'd choose surgery over and over again (but I admit that I had a easy recovery with almost no pain at all). As for plastics: even if one chooses not to have surgery to lose weight, plastics might be necessary. I understand that surgery is no breeze (I've had it myself after all) but it sometimes seems to me that there is so much emphasize on the "hard work"... as if obese people weren't allowed to "take the easy way" because they have to "pay for their sins". The sad part about this is: even obese people seem to think this way and emphasizing all this "hard work and commitment" sometimes seems like a kind of justification. I also think that people are making their lives harder as they need to be by telling themselves that "they have to work hard". I'm not saying, that there is no work and commitment involved after WLS - but is it really as hard as it was with conventional dieting? If you do think so, why? Because I think not having to battle constant hunger because of portion control or having to fill up on disgusting low-cal food and feeling full, but somehow empty nevertheless is a blessing and takes out a lot of the hard work. Is there work involved after WLS? Of course. There are slider-foods etc. after all. Is it "as hard as before"? I don't think so. Because if it was "as hard as before" - why get surgery in the first place?

@@xoxococojay I personally don't see anything offensive but since I don't know what exactly people wrote as answer I don't have an opinion when it comes to the reactions you got.

Well, compared to losing and keeping off weight surgery for me it was the easier way. Or so I think. Because I never was able to get off about 50 kg of weight. I also never was able to keep the weight odd. So for me there was/is something about WLS that actually made/makes it easier. But who says that you have to do things the hard way? Do the people going on about "WLS is wrong because it's cheating" or something equally ridiculous slap their dirty laundry around in the river down the road instead of using a washing machine or what? It's ridiculous to demand that people "lose weight the hard way", i. e. without surgery. But lets face it: one can go on and on and ON about how "WLS is hard work" and about the "commitment" etc. - something must make losing and keeping weight off easier with WLS or the outcomes would be as bad as the outcomes of "traditional" weight loss. The results are so much better. There has to be some kind of magic after all. Maybe the plastics afterwards are equally important, btw. Having plastics after WLS seems to improve the likelihood of keeping the weight off.

Over the years I've seen too many people from being gung-ho in the beginning with great weight loss that gained back weight in the end anyway. However, I understand the need to think "this won't be happening to me because I will be the perfect patient following everything to the letter and more" - I'd like to have a guarantee that this whole WLS thing will be the end of obesity as well. Unfortunately there is no guarantee as it seems. Look at the long term studies. Ask any real old timer who is 6, 8, 10 or more years out and is still active on boards or in RL self-help groups. Many people who were quite smug during their first months or even years have become much more modest after some years, even though they didn't gain back weight or only a bit.

I don't think that's "being an asshole". It's a matter of taste when it comes to what kind of body type we're attracted to. I'm mostly attracted to the bigger muscular guys. One might refer to them as "husky". I also prefer darker haired guys to fair haired guys in general. Otherwise I couldn't care less how much someone weighs or how overweight someone might be, e. g. when it comes to colleagues.

I agree only to an extent. I know too many thin people that seem healthy enough with eating and exercise habits I wouldn't dare to mimic - because I would be way fatter than I am now if I did.

Like they always thought of fat people as lazy and ugly losers but couldn't voice their opinion because they were fat themselves? Could be.

This. I think it would be crossing borders that are not meant to be crossed. I agree in general but since values and lifestyles can and do change throughout the years, it's still possible that the partner that used to share you values and lifestyle isn't a good match anymore. Might also be a valid explanation why so many couples struggle when one partner had WLS.

When I ate vegetarian first and then vegan for a whole while reading labels was some kind of a special hobby as well.

I think this is absolutely true and it's not specific for weight loss. It applies to every diet or diet philosophy (e. g. organic vs. non-organic). I had my fair share of discussions with my hubby on this and it continues.

You also can see what was written when someone quotes them. And since the full-quoting users will probably never cease to exist you're confronted with the challenge of averting your eyes soon enough multiple times.

Wow, this thread actually made it to the second site before degenerating into the usual "let's just be a bit ridiculous" bad joke. Where is the symbolic "bacon the 2nd day post-op", btw? Maybe I just missed it?