OutsideMatchInside

@Basmouta You are not eating enough. You should be eating a lot of protein. You are not eat much and most of it is carbs. You should be eating 100 grams of protein a day with your high starting weight, at least 60 grams if you can't get 100 in. Give up the toast, yogurt, skim milk, cooca. They are useless. Do you keep a food log? Post what you eat in a whole day.

@James Marusek I can't edit my previous post because of forum rules, but I want to thank you so much for your suggestion. I thought about it all day and I realized exactly what is going on. I am eating protein bars for lunch since I am not eating meat right now, and they are making me feel terrible! Prior to giving up meat for Lent, I rarely ever had protein bars. Now I am having one or 2 a day and they hit my intestines very fast (I can feel it), they are slider for me basically. I only have a week to go so no more protein bars for me.

Nothing here is private, it is public and all google searchable. Keep that in mind as you are posting, especially if you are posting with your RL picture.

I feel like a lot of Surgeons are cautious not to set goals for people too low, but you aren't even 6 months. you have a long time we can keep losing. I haven't found anyone skilled with counseling post-op WLS patients. Especially someone that has lost as much as me. I just had to work through my own issues, luckily I have been able to do it

Cook your own real food. Those smart ones are trash. Do not eat them, especially not early on, and mashed potatoes and gravy is a bad post op option. The nutrition value is bad. 22 carbs and 20 protein. You never want to eat anything where the carbs are more than the protein, if you have to eat carbs, the protein should out do the carbs 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. If the carbs on this was like 5 or 8 and the protein was 20 then it would be an okay choice.

My Surgeon would never. If I needed a support group, they have one there. I would never see that Dr again. That is a crazy suggestion. Also I wouldn't feel it would be fair for me to show up to WW with my tiny stomach, where I can easily eat normal to small portions and be satisfied and other people are struggling with a normal sized stomach. Not to mention the big losses I have. Then when you add in the points system, which doesn't align with how I eat all, it would be a disaster and I would feel like a fraud, just no.

The more photos I see of her, the more I think she should have lost more weight. Her feet are so fat they look inflated. They never show her legs but you can see they are still trunks in the pictures of her in jeans. Her face and neck are still fat. She still looks like she needs to drop 50 pounds. I feel like they just faked/rush her whole process for TV.

Thnaks James I will look into it. I'm also only sleeping 4-5 hours a night because of my 2 jobs, so it still might not be food related, but I am going to check it out. I had lunch the other day and had most of those symptoms afterward.

I have been seeing decent results lately with Fasciablasting and dry skin brushing. It isn't plastic surgery results, but a definite improvement. Especially on my thighs. I'm not doing weights because my goals are mainly to look good in clothes not naked. My arms are already 2x the size they should be because of the amount of skin hanging on them. Luckily the skin compresses pretty tightly so I can stuff my arms into most things. It is really causing a problem with dresses. So if I added muscle to arms that are already too big from some size 8/10 dresses and tops. I would be stuck wearing 12 or larger which look like tents on me. Same issue with legs. My waist is really small even with the skin. I wear a lot of shapewear and compression clothing when I work out. My skin is pretty empty for the most part, not much fat left in it, so is compresses nicely in clothes and tight clothes are the most comfortable because they don't allow the skin to move. Skin flopping around can be really uncomfortable, so compressing it and holding it tight is really comfortable. Shorts are not in my future any time soon, even with plastics I have never seen a picture of a good thigh surgery, good enough to wear shorts. I'm a grown woman at the end of the say so wearing dresses in the summer is a better option anyway. As far as summer/beach/water. I do active stuff water activities so I wear like surfer stuff with rash gards and it covers everything and holds it tight. I like a lot of meshy stuff, its see through so still cute but it holds you.

Yeah my allergies have been terrible too, I am taking so much medication for them. Maybe it is not really food related at all but just a lot of other things.

Recently I am noticing that I am sleepy often after eating. I just don't get how a tiny stomach can put me in a food coma. I'm also eating less overall right now for religious reasons so I am wondering if I just have more restriction now and this is causing it. It is a really odd feeling because it has been so long since it happened. Doesn't last that long. It could also just be coincidence. I am working longer hours to save for Plastics, and it could just be general exhaustion

Intuitive eating for food addicts is like saying heroin in moderation. In my keto groups people say eat until you are satisfied, and I have to speak up and remind people that some people are never satisfied because they are food addicts and they just need to portion control. If WLS could be successful at eating intuitive, they would not be WLS patients in the first place. Everyone isn't a food addict, I don't really think I was, I am just very carb sensitive and a glutton. I like to indulge and pamper myself. Post-op I switch how I do that pampering and treating myself.

Tinder is better because they can't contact you unless you like them. So you control who can contact you unlike POF. Also you have to have Facebook to use Tinder so there are less fake profiles on Tinder and fewer married men, IMO. I have never got one dirty message or nasty comment on Tinder because I am pre-screening them. I'll never use POF again. If you are pretty and photograph well, Tinder is like shooting fish in a barrel. Eharmony is too slow, not enough men to choose from. Give Tinder a whirl you might be surprised. I wish I had tried it sooner.

Honestly I meet the nicest guys on Tinder

I eat Keto so I might fat fast for a 1-3 days but mainly, if you keep doing the same thing, you will lose eventually. Your body has to take breaks, you can't really make it lose if it doesn't want to unless you have been eating off plan.

I have only seen malnutrition posted about in extreme complication cases and they are usually really far out from surgery. As long as you are hydrated humans can live without food for a long time, weeks.

I was on my own within 36 hours of surgery, my friend had to fly back home. I was at my own home though, with all my own stuff and I didn't have to move a lot. I don't know if I could travel alone, just because you fatigue so easy. I would be afraid as a woman to be alone in a foreign country when I didn't feel 100%. I sick alone once in Paris and it was the loneliest feeling in the world.

Right! This discussion has happened here so often and so many scientific studies and links have been cited. I only responded and posted because I am procrastinating on a work project but I am promising myself today I am never going to post more than one sentence about sleeve stretching again. "Properly formed sleeves don't stretch" If people are comforted by thinking that sleeves stretch so they have an excuse for regaining and failing, hug that blankie tight Linus van Pelt, may it comfort you in hard times, I'm done.

Early on I didn't weigh that often 1-2 times a week. I try to weigh every day now or every other day. I only count my weight once a week.

My intestines are still really noisy, no solutions here.

Sleeves don't stretch though, they aren't really that elastic, I know because I can still eat/drink too fast and feel the pain. So many doctors will tell you that. Sleeves are really not that flexible, I know I live with one. I don't even know how to drill it home more than that. It won't stretch if it is done right, that is basically the cornerstone of the surgery. A stretched sleeve is a complication or a failure. It defeats the purpose. The sleeve has 2 major parts that help with weight loss, removing the stretchy part of the stomach reducing portions and creating restriction and also removing the stretchy part of the stomach removes ghrelin the hunger hormone. The part we are left with is more muscular than pouchy or stretchy. The last link you posted is about a full regular stomach (did you even read it, or look at the picture? It is written by an English major for a BroScience website). A full regular stomach will stretch because the whole stomach is stretchy. The stretch part of the stomach is removed with the sleeve. It is not with RNY or the Band. Most WLS information lumps all these surgeries together. It really does not seem like you understand how the sleeve works or what the surgery involves. It looks like you are still pre-op, if you are going to have the sleeve, you should do more research so you can understand how it works. If you have a sleeve you won't stretch it, you risk other complication like ruining your esophagus creating a pouch at the top of it that food is getting stuck in. This happens because a sleeve doesn't stretch. Like @BigViffer said, you can damage the valve at the bottom of your stomach and make it open fast but a sleeve does not stretch. Many sleevers confuse healing with stretching. The restriction you have at the beginning is not the restriction you will have forever. That is because it is not true restriction it is swelling. It takes a long time for internal swelling to go down and to be fully healed, 6 months at least, and this even applies to other things like a lot of plastic surgery. My restriction at 21 months is the same as 12 months. If I don't eat for a day or two my sleeve can get tight as a drum, or it can just randomly be tight. Most people complaining about stretched sleeves are eating sliders not dense protein. If they ever listen to advice and eat dense protein, of they discover they have restriction again. Finally the sleeve wasn't covered by insurance just a few years ago in the US and a lot of people with complications now went out of the country to have their surgery done. They have complications from bad sleeves and are having revisions in the US now because WLS is covered by insurance more than it used to be and also everyone is currently is required to have insurance in the US. A correctly formed sleeve will not stretch. A RNY pouch will stretch, the pouch created by the band will stretch and bands can slip. A properly made sleeve will not stretch. Healing is not stretching. Eating sliders is not stretching.

I remember having insane cravings post-op for stuff I don't even like. Not chewing or having solid food for weeks will do that to anyone. The biggest issue I have is people insisting they are actually hungry and it isn't head hunger. If you can't recognize the difference between head hunger and real hunger, man you have a rough road ahead.

All the people that helped me be successful don't post here anymore for various reasons. At least I was able to become friends with most of them outside this forum and still have contact with them. There is a huge void here of accurate and experienced advice. Example, that "Disgusted" thread is posted by someone pre-op without a sleeve, preaching what post-op life should be like, but they aren't even there yet. Until you have a sleeve, you don't really know how one works, even RNY people don't because the surgeries are not the same and the way our stomachs work post op aren't the same. My Surgeon doesn't even know what sleeve life is like, luckily some of the support staff were sleevers and able to offer advice. Yeah, I feel like it is really important to stay involved in a weight loss community so I can stay on track. People remind me of how easy it is to make mistakes and get off track and also when I feel like I haven't lost enough, I reminded of how hard it is and how far I have came. Still these newbies make it so hard, they don't care what anyone has to say if it doesn't match what they want to hear. *sigh*

My Dr asked me what I weighed in HS. He said he felt I could get to that weight. Which is around the weight I am now. He never really set a goal though. My goals were health not really weight related. I wanted to end my diabetes and avoid high blood pressure. My goal is to get my BMI to the top of normal or 30% body fat, I was at 34% body fat when last tested. My size goal was a 12, I'm an 8 now, I don't really want to be smaller than an 8 but 6 is in my future *sigh*

Medical Malpractice All surgeons are not created equal. That is why people usually qualify their statements with "properly formed sleeve". If the surgery is done right it doesn't stretch. There are a lot of surgeons not doing it right. At least once a month someone posts here about being offered a modified sleeve where less of the stomach is removed. That is not a properly formed sleeve. Also, by the time people are fully healed and recovered. The size of their stomach shouldn't matter. They should be weighing or at least measuring all their food and eating proper portions. If you are eating proper portions the size of your sleeve doesn't matter. A stretched sleeve is just a cop out. Surgeons are willing to encourage it because most of them are just in it for the $$$$$$$ especially with medical tourism.