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Jesus @@meganmom, there is a giant in that picture with you!

@@BarrySue - thank you for posting that. You just saved me from a lot of typing! Honestly don't know why that myth won't die. Sent from my phone, please forgive brevity and misspelling

I luckily haven't dated in years, but one thing I will pass on that I firmly believe; aim high. Never put a person on a pedestal because many times that person is just wanting someone to approach them. I dated several women that should have been out of my league, but men never asked them out for fear of rejection. Also, don't forget to focus on yourself. Workout because you want to look good as well as feel good. Buy one thing for yourself every month. Doesn't have to be something expensive, maybe a shirt or dress or even a knick-knack for the house. Do things that improve your life and your self image/confidence. A pretty woman like yourself paired with confidence can conquer the world.

I'm going to buck the trend here and say avoid the personal trainer. More often than not, in my experience they are teaching either outdated or dangerous exercises. I would seek out a physical therapist, more specifically a sports medicine therapist.

The only way to "get them back" is to replace the fat that was there with something. If it is going to be muscle, the only way to do that is to overload the muscles through work. So called "toning" won't do anything. Another very important thing to understand is that you can't just go out and start doing squats and lunges and build muscle without injuring yourself. You need to increase the bone density of your legs and hips to accommodate the weight necessary to overload the muscle. It will take time too, not just a few months. If you set a goal, set it for a year to be realistic.

lol, 4 days... that's cute.

No problem dipping in on this conversation. Since it is not a sensitive subject no one should object. I posted this in the Guy's Room to foster a generally more male POV and to also increase content in this section. But of course anyone can use the information.

@@PChayy05 Damn dude... Fantastic results! It doesn't look like you have much loose skin, I'm jealous.

Jeesh, finally! I had to go back through the post and redo all the URL's to the images because for some reason this forum didn't like some of them. Hopefully everything is OK now.

Hmmm... some pictures came through but not others. When I tried to fix it, I got an error from the forum that I am not allowed to use that image extension error. I'll look into it later.

lol, I tried to seperate this out into several posts, but the forum won't let me. So I guess you guyss just get one monster post.

I've recently been enjoying the aesthetic benefits of hitting the gym on a regular basis. Someone said I should post my routine for reference, so I am happy to oblige. I had my surgery in February of 2015 and joined my gym the following April. With the exception of holidays, vacations, and illness; I have gone to the gym at least 4 days a week. Sometimes I will go twice in one day if I need to waste time after work before I have club meeting or my recently started yoga class. A quick and brief history about me; I had an almost fatal car accident as a young man that cause lifelong issues and also several sport injuries that are related to said car accident issues and poor form or just outright ignorance about proper technique when exercising. The main body parts that I obsessively protect now in order of importance and pain level are as follows: Back - bone fragments, arthritic spurs, herniated discs, and bulging discs Shoulder - Arthritic bones spurs, separated shoulder, reconstructive surgery (rotator cuff) Knees - driven into the dashboard and now grind just during walking, arthritic bone spurs Ankles - driven through floorboard and broken/folded back onto calves, bone fragments, arthritic bone spurs After that car accident, it took me 3 months to walk and another year to walk unaided. Fast forward many years and I caused several sport injuries because I was more concerned with getting big muscles than with safety. That's when I separated my shoulder and needed surgery for it. I also increased the damage to my lower back. So why do I share that information in a post about exercise? Because there may be another technique that someone has heard of or read about and thinks it is as good as or better than what I say I am doing. It may very well be true, but I may not physically be able to do it. All of the exercises I do have been vetted by my physical therapist. Very seldom will I say an exercise should never be done by anyone, but there are many that I will say I will not do. So let me reiterate - I am not a trainer and I am not a therapist. This is what is working for me. It may not work for you. I take no responsibility for what you do with this information. I encourage you to verify this with your doctor, therapist, internet, mom, or rabbi. That reminds me, the number one thing I hope anyone who reads this thread takes to heart and truly listens to me about is to focus on your technique or form. Don't worry about the weight, only worry about proper form. You will get more benefit doing a controlled 25 lb. lift than a fast and Jerky 50 lb. lift. I'm serious, when you walk into a fitness center, weight room, cardio room or whatever; leave your ego in the locker with your clothes. I am going to break this into several posts incase people want to skip portions of it. So if you come to this thread and it seems incomplete, you probably came while I was typing up the next post. Terminology Much of the equipment we use at the gym is self explanatory, but in different parts of the country we will call it something different. So I am going to put here what I know them as. Olympic Bar – This is immediately recognizable by everyone who thinks of bench pressing. It’s a big bar that is around 7 ft. long and ways approximately 45 lbs. Curl Bar – this looks like the Olympic bar, just smaller. Usually around 4 ft. long and weighs 25 lbs. HOWEVER some can weigh as little as 15 lbs. If the bar ends are the same diameter as the Olympic bar though, it is probably standard. EZ Curl Bar – this is the bar that is angled for a more natural grip. It is supposed to cut down the risk of injury and weigh the same as the Curl Bar. Dumbbell – self explanatory Kettlebell – These are roughly kettle shaped weights with a double wide handle on the top. Bands – These are elastic rubber bands that vary on resistance. They can be a loop or a tube with handles on both ends. (Love these!) Fitness Ball – Jiminy Crickets these things have a ton of names! People call them balance ball, birth ball, body ball, ball, fitness ball, gym ball, gymnastic ball, physio-ball, Pilates ball, Pezzi ball, sports ball, stability ball, Swedish ball, therapy ball, or yoga ball. It’s just a big ass ball you can do a bunch of crap with. Leg Press Machine – a machine you sit in and push weights away from you with your legs. Smith Machine – Most often people use this for squats or bench pressing. I’m not a fan of it. If is an “A” frame machine that has an Olympic sized bar on rails and has locking positions to rest the bar. Cable Machine – There are many variations to the cable machine, but the concept is the same. Weights attached to a cable and pulley system usually with one on opposite sides while you stand in the middle. These can also be used one cable at a time for various exercises. Leg Curl Machine – Whether seated or prone (laying on your stomach) these work your hamstrings. Only do lighter weight sets though (<100 lbs.) Multi-Hip Machine – This is not a very common machine, but I like it better than the Hip Adductor machine. The Hip Adductor is the machine where your legs are spread and you pull them together. Every pubescent boy and gym meathead will wait for a woman to get on that machine. The Multi-Hip is better and not as potentially embarrassing to use. Leg Extension Machine – This is the machine that puts a padded bar in front of your shins and you force the weight up ostensibly to work your quads. Avoid this machine like the plague. It is probably the worse exercise you can do you any joint in your body. Seriously, I can’t believe it is still in any gym or fitness center, but both the rec center and the YMCA I go to have these machines. You can call me stupid or ignorant or whatever you want in regards to any other exercise, but please listen to me on this. Never use this machine. Ever. I’m serious. Don’t even make eye contact with it! Jungle Gym – okay, so that is not the real name of this… thing. Honestly there may not be a snappy name for it, but it’s used for hanging vertical knee raises and dips. It’s a large rack with hand grips basically. Here is my Week schedule: Mon - Legs & abs then cardio Tue - Shoulders & Upper back then cardio. Evening Yoga class Wed - Cardio only Thu - Chest then cardio Fri - Arms then cardio Again, let me reiterate - this is my routine. Some people like a push/pull alternating routine. That’s fine, but this is what I like and what works for me. I like to do large muscle groups one day, then smaller the next. I also like doing saturations and failures for arm day. The goal is to engorge the arms with blood flow. I would not recommend this routine if you are going for max weight reps. I also aim for high to medium intensity, so I don't have long rests between sets and exercises. Also, I hope it goes without saying that you should warm up and stretch out before starting your workout. Cold muscles are soon to be hurt muscles. Exaggerated movements, long stride walking on the track, jumping jacks... whatever works for you. Also, as with any gym routine, it always comes down to equipment availability. I will write about my preferred sequence of exercises. Ok then, on to the details. Monday - Leg & Abs Day Deadlift - I prefer to do this one first for a few reasons. I want to be as fresh and strong as possible for this exercise. The possibility for injury is high on this one and I don't want to have bad form because of fatigue. If I can't do this as my first or second exercise, I won't bother doing it. It's just not worth the risk to me. The deadlift can be dangerous it's true, but there is no other lifting exercise that works so many muscles at the same time the way that your body is meant to work together. I go very light for this exercise currently. I am still training myself to do the proper technique. Until it becomes muscle memory, I will start with the Olympic bar and 25 lbs. plates and work up to 45 lbs. plates. So I am “maxing” out at 135lbs. Do I look like I care about the numbers? Fitness ball sit-ups – Just like it sounds. I also hold a small medicine ball over my head so that I cannot cheat and use my hands to pull my neck out of alignment and screw up my form. Cable Machine Oblique Crunches – With the single hand grip, lower one cable pulley to the lowest point. Stand far enough away from machine to have the cable and your arm taut and look like you are stretching your opposite side. Facing 90 degrees from the pulley, straighten your body using your oblique to pull you. Leg Curl – Slow and steady is the key to this machine since we are not using a lot of weight. Whether seated nor prone, curl the weight like normal and let it back down over three seconds. Seated Leg Press – start at a comfortable weight, like 1/3 your body weight. Feet just outside your hips and feet straight. We want to make sure that our knees and ankles are aligned properly. Smoothly and steadily push it up. Stop just before you would lock your knees and let it back down. No jarring motions. On the 10 rep I stop at the top and move my feet towards the back edge and do calf extensions. Multi-Hip Machine – This machine allows me to work the hamstring again then rotate and work the inside of my thighs. Yes it is predominately used by women, but I don’t care. I never do the push on the outside of the leg or the knee lifts, those are bad, but the pulling exercises are safe. Cable Machine Oblique Woodchopper – Another one that is hard to describe but easy to do. It’s a lot like swinging a bat, but not quite. Jungle Gym – it’s that rack thing with grips I was talking about. Hang from this thing and then bring your knees up to at least your waist level, a little higher if you can. If you hit your chest, you’re over doing it! Reverse Lunge – No weights anymore because I am getting tired at this point. I prefer reverse lunges to regular because my balance sucks and also because I can never seem to get the right size step and keep my knee over my ankle. With a reverse lunge it is so much easier to align your knee and ankle properly that you can focus on your balance. Planks – nothing fancy. One minute traditional plank then rotate into an oblique plank for a minute. Back to center for a minute and rotate to the opposite oblique plank. Squats – Again with no weights. But if I did want to use added weights I would use a kettle bell and not the Olympic bar with plates. Just preference. Treadmill – by now I am pretty shaky and fatigued. I’ll rest by walking for 30 minutes on the treadmill 3.5 mph and 4 degree incline. Treadmills vary, so this may be killer on your treadmill or a walk in the park. And that’s it for Leg & Ab day! Tuesday – Shoulders and Upper Back I am very conservative with my shoulders because of my injury and subsequent surgery. These are all low weight, body weight, or band exercises; so you know they are safe! Ball on the wall circles – This is straight from therapy, but it is good to get blood into the shoulder and work the smaller supporting muscles for all the other stuff we do. Get a small ball and place it on a smooth wall. (I use the same small medicine ball that I use for the fitness ball crunches above) Put your palm on the ball and still facing the wall, stand far enough away that your palm is able to hold the ball against the wall and make small circles. 50 of them to the left, then 50 to the right. Now switch arms. Now stand so you are perpendicular to the wall and repeat. Around the world – There is no name for this, it just something I do to keep my shoulders loose between exercises. Using that small medicine ball, I’ll pass it from my left hand to my right. Then I’ll bring it around my right side to my back and pass it to my left hand. Bring my left hand around to my front and repeat. After 10 or 12, I change directions. Middle Trap Fly – Grab a band! It can be any type, but not too much resistance. Smooth and controlled is what we are going for. Grab the band so that your hands are roughly shoulder width apart. Without bending your elbows, pull the band apart and bring your hands as far out to your side as possible. Front Arm Raise – I prefer to do these one arm alternating. Grab some dumbbells and stand up straight, set your shoulders back and firmly in place. Raise one arm up and go back down then the other arm. Upper Trap Raises – Grab that band again! I can’t tell you which color to grab because many brands have different color codes. Start off with the easiest one though. This one requires the kind with handles on each end. Depending on how much resistance you need/want, you can either step on the middle of the band or use both feet equally spaced out. Then just raise your arms out to your side. Rotator Cuff Internal Rotation – on the cable machine, set a single grip about waist level and set it on the lowest weight. With your arm at 90 degrees and your elbow firmly in place next to your body, pull the grip to your belly button. Some people will add a small rolled up towel under their armpit to let them know if their form starts to suffer. If the towel drops, you moved your elbow away you’re your body. Rotator Cuff External Rotation – Same as the above exercise, but instead of pulling towards your belly button, you start from there and rotate out. Inverted Row – On the Smith Machine, set the bar below the chest but no lower than the waist. I also use a step against the wall as a ledge to push my feet against. Plant your feet against the step, grab the bar and pull yourself up. It’s like a push up in reverse. Lat Pull – On the Lat Pull Machine. Pretty self explanatory. Only thing I will mention, do not go behind your head. It’s horrible for your shoulder! I do my first 3 sets with palm out grip and the next 3 palm in. Eliptical – 30 minutes on the elliptical should be enough to call this a day! I just want to mention that I come back to the gym after work and attend a Yoga class that lasts an hour. I highly recommend trying it out since it helps stretch all the muscles that we have been and will be punishing during the week. Increased blood flow to muscles is important, you know? Wednesday – Cardio day. I usually do 30 minutes on the elliptical then 30 on the treadmill and call it a day. Sometimes if my daughter doesn’t have homework, I will go back to the gym on my way to my weekly club meeting and walk the track. Thursday – Chest day I make sure to warm up my shoulders before working my chest. Strong yet flexible shoulders are vitally important to your chest workout. Ball on the wall, Around the worlds, or maybe a few band stretches is usually enough. Chest Press – Grab some dumbbells and a bench. With your arms out away from your sides and your elbows at 90 degrees, push up. Slowly bring them back down but do not break the plane of your back. All that crap you hear about getting a good stretch on your chest is bunk. Once you go beyond the plane of your back, you are going to have to engage other muscles to bring that weight forward before your pectorals can pull your arms together. So just don’t do it. Incline Chest Press – Same as above, but raise the back of the bench up to at least about 60 degrees. Awesome Lower Pectoral Fly – I found this one quite by accident and it is now by far my favorite chest exercise. Bar none. It is pretty much a cable fly, but it is done a little bit differently. The best way to explain it is in this video: https://youtu.be/_YcANO5d0nA?t=156 Single Arm Chest Fly – Stay on the cable machine, but now you only need one side. The problem with regular cable fly is that you stop once your hands meet in front of you. When you do it with only one arm, you can cross much further. Dips – This one is very tough. I can only to two or three. But it is something to keep trying. Elliptical – 30 minutes on the elliptical and you can stick a fork in this workout. Friday – Arm Day Ah, arm day… my favorite day of the week. Straight Curl Bar – Just what it sounds like. Though I like to bring it up normal and then let it back down over a three count. Reverse Grip Tricep Pull Down – On the cable machine, set the grip up as high as it goes. I use the straight bar and grip it with my palm facing the ceiling. Hammer Curl – On an incline bench (60 degree-ish) hold a dumbbell parallel to your body and curl one arm then the next. This has a longer range of motion. I prefer the alternating arms personally. Tricep Pull Down – This is the traditional “V” grip bar. Cable Curl to Forehead – I can’t find a good picture of this, but it is the same mechanics as a regular curl, but once you get the bar past your halfway mark, you involve your shoulders to bring the curl up to your forehead. Over the head Tricep Rope – Again with the cable up at the top, this time use the rope grip and face away from the machine. Arms over the head and extend in front of your body. Forearm Crybabies – I love this one! Grab the Olympic bar and stand with great posture. With your pals facing out, grip the Olympic bar about a shoulders width apart. With one hand rotate the bar towards you. Then continue the rotation with the other hand. So it’s like you are rolling up poster board or gift wrapping paper on a tube. If you can make it to 50, give yourself 20 seconds and do it again. This time however, reverse your grip so that your palms face behind you. Bicep Exhaustion – Grab that band again! Place one foot in the very middle of the band and grab a handle in each hand. Now do as many curls as fast as you can in 30 seconds! Repeat after a 20 second rest. Forearm Exhaustion – I could try and type this one up, but once again a video is far better at explaining it. https://youtu.be/bAyDD3B_Cgc Now run to the bathroom and take a picture of yourself and how swollen you look! No seriously, do it. You will want the motivation! After that, go do 30 minutes on the treadmill and call it a day. OK, I think that is everything. I know it is a fricken book, but I was trying to be through as possible. Any questions or feedback is welcome!

Writing a big post now! Sent from my phone, please forgive brevity and misspelling

A compliment I am humbled to hear, thank you very much! Now, as a recovering shoulder surgery patient I want to go on record right now and say this, I never do bench presses. Ever. While they are good for the pectorals, they are terrible for the shoulder (rotator cuff especially), and there are much better exercises for the chest! Also, I don't do heavy weights at all. The biggest dumbell I use is 35lbs.Tops.If I need more weight, I switch to bands or bodyweight exercises. I am terrified of another sport injury. That's where many of my troubles came from. If you want a good chest workout, you need to focus on the cable machine and only use the dumbbells for incline chest press and regular chest press. Using dumbbells allow for your shoulder to move naturally as opposed to locking it into an unnatural position. If you would be interested, I could write down my exercise routine (roughly) and start a thread. I make no claims of being a fitness guru nor a therapist, but what I do I got from my physical therapist and then from a sports medicine therapist I found online.

Ask and ye shall receive! http://www.bariatricpal.com/topic/185975-before-and-after-gastric-sleeve-surgery-photos/page-97#entry4083529

Aw hell, one more picture. Just because.

Looking back I don't understand how I didn't realize I was so fat! This is from today just after my visit to the gym. 1 year and 2 days since surgery. According to my surgeon's scale, it is a 112lbs difference since surgery. According to the gym scale it is 116lbs. But like someone else on here said, that's just a BM waiting to happen! I can honestly say that the entire experience has been perception altering. I did not realize how much pain I was truly in on a daily basis. Most of my aches and pains are gone, high BP issues are gone, and the awful feeling when my blood sugar was too high is gone as well. Truly the best thing I have ever done for my health.

Well I had my appointment and got a glowing review from my surgeon. I brought with me my complete 2015 food diary along with my weight graph, nutrient percentage charts, and etc... I also showed him my revised tables for 2015/2016 with month over month comparison. Ever since I first showed him my data he has been excited about reviewing them. So I tend to bring more and more each visit. My official weigh in was 218.1lbs. Just 4 days before I was at 214! After discussing that, he said he believes that my weight has bottomed out and now I will fluctuate around where I am now. The lowest I ever got was 213. So a 215-225lbs range looks to be where I will maintain if I keep being good about my diet and exercise. Another topic that came up is BMI. I wanted to get tested to see where I am and he said he thinks that I am down to what he called essential fat. I am lean enough that the fat I have is just what is needed. Damn. That means the excess I see is all skin. He estimates that I am 17 or 18% BMI, which is good. But to be sure, I would have to go to another place and pay for it. He said that it was around $25, so I think I will go ahead and schedule that. All in all, it was a decent appointment. He said he wished that he had more patients like me that took advantage of this surgery and took it as serious as I have. That made me feel really good. Then he thanked me for letting him be my surgeon! Now that made me feel great!

@@mollyk26 Damn! You look great!

@@OutsideMatchInside took the words right out of my mouth. I use the Casein Protein to bake muffins. There are some recipes out there for Casein frosting too. Have one of these in the evening as a treat every once in a while.

Quite honestly, this question comes up all the time and in the end it is always the same answer. It's up to you. If you make the change for the rest of your life to eat clean, get out and move and become active, and take full advantage of this tool; then you will not gain your weight back. If you want it to be a magic trick or miracle pill that makes you skinny and you can eat junk like we do now (or used to) and make no change to your life... then yes, you will gain the weight back. Now if you fall into the latter category, I don't think you will get much sympathy from anyone. Here or in real life. If you fall into the first category, you will gain self respect and confidence and that will carry over to all aspects of you life. Professional relationships and personal will only be able to improve. The people who are toxic in your life will show their colors quickly, but you will be able to finally brush them off and focus on the ones who are there for your benefit. This surgery is a life changing event that can have incredible results. If you are brave enough to commit to it that is.

Thank you all for the encouraging words, compliments, and of course the reality check. Yes I have come a long way and yes I was being silly in hoping for an arbitrary number on a scale versus just generally being healthy! However, it would have still been kind cool... I'll see if I can't post up a new beefcake picture in the Guy's Room Before & After thread after my appointment.

Tomorrow is my 1 year anniversary and the 18th is my 1 year follow-up appointment. I was hoping to get closer to my stretch goal of 200 in time for that appointment. I had pledged to myself that I would double down on my gym workout to achieve said goal too. Wouldn't you know it, I caught a bug and have been laid low since last Wednesday. Dammit! Obviously I haven't been eating properly, lots of Soups and fluids but not much Protein. And of course no gym time. I finally felt well enough to come to work today and went to the gym just to walk on the treadmill. I weighed myself like normal and I am at 214. Better than a few weeks ago, but far shy of that 200 I was hoping for. I am convinced for the most part that I will not hit the 199 mark unless I sacrifice muscle and I am just not interested in that. Don't get me wrong, I will look great for my 1 year picture, I'm just grousing that the sprint to the finish turned into a stumble!

No worries, this isn't a sensitive subject so women may post in this thread. I only posted it in the Guy's section to increase content here. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

OK men, I have to come clean about something. I have participated in an activity that I do not believe Jack Palance nor John Wayne would have approved of. (And I am pretty sure we can all agree that those are the epitomes of manliness.) I have been hitting the gym pretty hard and frequently and I had a fellow gym member tell me that I should consider a yoga class to stretch out the muscles I have been punishing for the past 10 months. "Yoga? But I'm not a hippie. I can't stand patchouli nor sandlewood and I don't hug trees. And I am certainly not 'poofy'." It took me about 2 months after our conversation for me to consider it. After a particularly strenuous session of deadlifts, I was pretty damn sore and I just wanted to work the muscles loose. Thats when her words popped back into my head. So I looked up the calendar at my rec center and attended a yoga class. I will tell you, I felt odd and out of place. Everyone there knew each other but they were all polite. Everyone did their stretching before the serious stretching of the class started. I just kind of stood there with my thumb up my ass because I don't know the first thing about yoga. The instructor arrived and got right into it with the hippy talk. Spirituality, expanding your awareness and so on and so forth... Then we start moving. She would say things like, "Now we are getting into our child pose" or "Come into the Downward Dog" and even a Warrior Pose. At first I was snickering, but as things became more strenuous I actually started to sweat. And muscles started to burn. Legs started shaking and arms trembled. By the end of the class, I was pretty well spent. But I felt really good. Nice and loose! I was in a good mood just like I do when I have a good workout. I came home and told my wife about the class and that I surprisingly enjoyed it. Then the next morning came. I could not move. I think rigor mortis set in. It took the entire day of walking and stretching to get back to a semblance of normalcy, but I can tell you that I did not go to the gym that day. However that following day I went back to the gym and had an even better workout and did not feel as sore as normal. So I believe that yoga may be a good idea after all. So much so that I actually did it again tonight. Thats two weeks in a row and I think I will continue to do it. So in closing, even if you think it is lame or poofy or even hippy, maybe try it out anyways. It can only help you and you may even turn out to enjoy it. And if that isn't enough, Yoga pants. Think about it.