SoulGlo

I'm sorry if i sounded like i was having a go at forum members who refer other posters to seek advice from their doctor/nuts. I just wanted to see how many people are having issues with their nut like me. Also, the thing about researching online about weight loss is a huge part of it is people's opinions and experiences which can be very relative in regards to other people. I feel comforted by definitive answers and I'm frustrated that my Dietician is reluctant to give me any.

I totally agree, i shudder to think where i would be if i wasn't using forums to gain information . I'd Probably be eating 90% bread and Pasta.

Forgive my ignorance but what's a NP?

I was just wondering how many forum members really had faith in their NUT/Dietician and that their prescribed advice would not only help them progress through their journey but also make sure that their plan would assist them in achieving the best outcome possible? During my time on Bariatric pal, I noticed that whenever a question is posed, someone will often respond with 'check with your nut/dietician' but what if that person's nut is incompetent and not forthcoming with needed information? I personally don't trust or have much faith in my Dietician team or their prescribed plan. First all, the diet plan that they give to patients is too relaxed and imo is not that conducive to those really want to reach their ideal goal weight and maintain it. The plan is too carb friendly, they give diet examples using rice, Pasta or bread and no real emphasis on keeping carbs low in order to better facilitate weight loss. I thank my lucky stars that I decided to really do research and go on bariatric forums or else I would have been still chowing down on breads and pasta like nobody's business. Also they're a reluctant on giving you an answer to a lot of questions, Tbh I have given up on asking them anything because I’m always left unenlightened. On a number of occasions, I have asked about ideal carb and fats allowance per day and they always hit you with ' Just focus on Proteins and water' which isn't entirely wrong but I feel that they fail to realise that there's many loopholes in just hawking that advice and ignoring other finer details . For example, I could eat a McLand, sea and air burger from McDonald’s with loads of Water and be covering the objective of getting my Protein and fluids. Technically I would be following their advice to a tee but in actual fact I would have just congested 116g of carbohydrates. If I could change my dietician team I would but things are not that easy with the NHS (UK). What about you guys? Do you trust your NUT/Dietician?

Exactly. I don't think a lot of times these forum veterans and other judgmental posters realise that their hostile approaches to questions deemed as 'stupid' may be putting off others members from seeking needed advice for very valid and pertinent questions. I find it slightly odd that some forum members are yet to figure out that not all things are created equally especially in terms of the realm of surgery/ medicine and medical programmes. Some folks are berating others for knowing about guidelines about alcohol post surgery but just to illustrate my point about all clinics not being made equal or to the same standards, my bariatric programme/clinicians haven't stated much about alcohol post op apart from a nurse saying that i should bear in mind that if I drink, I would now be intoxicated faster and from smaller amounts'. Nothing about damage to the pouch, empty calories or cross addiction. I think its more of the posts that say stuff like, "I know I'm not supposed to drink, but I'm doing it anyway at 2 weeks post op.. " and there are quite a few like that.. But I agree.. I agree with you too, those kinds of threads are understandably annoying and I don't think the OPs realise they are kicking a hornets' nest when posting them. But there has to be something said for people who continued to engage them despite being extremely irritated by these questions. In my subjective view, I feel some posters secretly relish having an opportunity to go at the Ops of these kinds of questions but that's just my opinion

I think that has something to do with the way a lot of people see doctors and surgeons. They are put on the highest pedestals and held up as if they were deities . Not many people question their authority and believe that they'll always provide a total comprehensive and definitive medical advice/instructions on their health problems, failing to realise that incompetence and complacency exists in the medical profession too. Personally, I don't trust doctors so I'll always do my own research in addition to listening to Dr's medical advice. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to burn to learn and most folks will never be burnt by doctors/surgeons to know that better informed you are about your medical situation, the better your health outcomes. will probably be. BIB: You're right but doesn't that provide an even stronger reasoning for why people need to be less hostile in approaching these situations? If someone is lacking in education, initiative or inability to really understand the changes that need to be made in order to succeed, i don't think a Maury Povich styled tough love boot camp approach (especially from a random stranger) or a roasting will help them to achieve that understanding, it might just push them further away from the right path If advice is presented in a sour or chatty tone or style then the person might not take it seriously and think the individual offering the advice is being nasty for the sake of being nasty.

Exactly. I don't think a lot of times these forum veterans and other judgmental posters realise that their hostile approaches to questions deemed as 'stupid' may be putting off others members from seeking needed advice for very valid and pertinent questions. I find it slightly odd that some forum members are yet to figure out that not all things are created equally especially in terms of the realm of surgery/ medicine and medical programmes. Some folks are berating others for knowing about guidelines about alcohol post surgery but just to illustrate my point about all clinics not being made equal or to the same standards, my bariatric programme/clinicians haven't stated much about alcohol post op apart from a nurse saying that i should bear in mind that if I drink, I would now be intoxicated faster and from smaller amounts'. Nothing about damage to the pouch, empty calories or cross addiction.

You're spot on. Even 'veterans' start out ignorant and clueless and hopefully someone answered their queries and questions in a respectful manner so they were able to build up their knowledge bases in order to progress into knowledgeable veterans instead of chiding or humiliating them. Not all bariatric programs are made the same. Some bariatric programs make ensure their patients are fully informed whilst others are more lax when it comes to informing their patients. Therefore,some people have more gaps in their knowledge than others. I don't understand why if someone is so annoyed by 'these stupid questions' then don't just skip the thread and erase the question from their minds and move on? What's the point in posting a reply just to whinge or belittle the asker? Unless they're a masochist or a touch sadistic

I wish you were my Dietician/NUT, you're always dropping knowledge in every post. What about Carbs and fats? How much is allowed? I'm 3mths post and I'm about averaging between 300's and 500's in Calories and about 71g to 28g in protein. Tbh, i seemed to more concerned about the amount of calories than protein amount.I'll freak out if i go over 500 calories. Now that you have confirmed that this is hurting my weight loss, I'm definitely will get that protein number up.

What kind of sorcery is going on here? If you don't mind asking does your diet primarily consist of meats and eggs?

That's the problem. It ALWAYS increases the work load of those of us who actually CARE. And those type of employees are sneaky. They know the ways around not doing their work and doing just enough to not get fired. They also know whose asses to kiss. I've been in the workforce for over 30 years. I've seen it hundreds of times. Well, if you read my post properly you would see that I said it's not my concern as long it doesn't affect or increase my workload. Just because you put in capital locks doesn't make it a fact. It hugely depends on the role and job duties and responsibilities of the persons at hand, some tasks are specific and can't be simply passed on to someone else. If their actions do increase other's workloads then that's another issue. IMO, some are too overly concerned about what other workers doing even if it doesn't have any effect on them. I rather work alongside someone who's slacks off and has punctuality issues than someone who is always watching and waiting for the colleagues to mess up.

I don't see the issue. As long as their behaviour or work ethic doesn't affect or increase my workload why should i care? These businesses and corporations have no loyalty to their employees and will fire or cut an employee that has been slaving away for the company just as easily as they would get rid off of an employee that's been slacking off.

No. Strangely i'm doing really well (imo). I'm sticking to the plan and even exercising daily but even that won't entirely shake off my negative thoughts Initially when i started the WLS process, i had no expectations, I just wanted to be a little bit smaller and healthier. As time go goes on, I feel myself wanting more than what is likely to be given or realistically will happen. I have never had a normal sized body, even when i was in primary school, i was bigger than everyone else. I just wanna to look normal for once. I agree with you. I'm hoping i can develop the same approach and have a similar outlook.

I'm not currently seeing a therapist or having any counselling. I have been in counselling a couple of times before. I would go to my GP and ask for a referral for counselling but for some strange reason most of the interventions they offer are CBT based where they focus on solving one major issue . I have had CBT before and don't feel it makes a difference. I would like a psychological based intervention where i could talk in depth about my feelings, past and concerns but therapies like that are normally private therapies and i simply don't have the money to afford it.

@@SoulGlo, there is so much wisdom and compassion in the posts above. I am grateful to be amongst this community of powerful people. That includes you! xo Aww, thank you!! @@SoulGlo, how are you doing today? I'm relatively ok today, i'm much better than i was when i posted the original post but i would be lying if i didn't say i was still worried about my outcome or future. I know i have to take each day as they come and I'm hoping as time goes on I might be content even if i don't reach society's ideal or a normal weight. Thank you all for your advice, encouragement and care, I'm really touched by it and it really did lighten my dark thoughts xoxoxoxo