No game

I'm sorry but I'm very confused by this post..
Not good, not good at all.... Please people don't do it, and please stop suggesting for other people to do it.
First, this behavior is the first steps of bulemia and getting into the habit of chewing food and spitting it out can lead to a very serious eating disorder. After WLS we are already dealing with changing the way we relate to food, so we want to instill good habits all along the way and avoid the bad ones as much as possible.
Second, there's a biological reason not to do this too. When you smell food and when it enters your mouth and you begin to chew, the body goes into Prep Mode to receive food. Your salivary glands produce saliva, your pancreas produces insulin, your liver produces gastric acid and your brain begins to calculate how much nutrition you're about to receive from the food you eat so it can keep track of it's daily needs/calories --- the body is a well tuned machine and it knows how to deal with food when it knows it's coming. But then you spit out the food. Your body still has excess saliva, insulin, gastric acid and it can't figure out why it didn't get the nutrition it thought it was going to get so the brain accountants go nuts.
Excess insulin in your body causes your appetite to increase so you'll eat more food to soak up all that extra hormone. Excess gastric acid in the stomach -- now released at the Y of your common channel -- can cause indigestion or heartburn or ulcers. And those brain accountants are now doing some creative math to recalculate the nutritional value of food because it thought it was going to get a certain number of calories, but none came, so next time you try to eat that same food the brain thinks you need twice as much to get the same nutrition as it thought it should have gotten last time.
So not only is the whole "chew and spit" habit a training ground for bulemia, it's also a way to tease your body into thinking it's getting food when it really isn't. Bulemia is a very serious illness and not something you want to play around with.
http://www.bariatricpal.com/topic/252757-chewing-food-and-spitting-it-out/?fromsearch=1

Sheila I wasn't able to complete my fast yesturday but I did keep it clean eating.... I didn't lose anything and I'm ok with not losing even an oz. Good job on your fast. I will do a clean eating day to detox and then succeed on my next fast day. These 3 lbs are coming off regardless.......
Sue you will see your surgeon's goal this year for sure.....I wish I was as diligent as you have been....
Laura where are you?
Florinda where are you? Missing you guys a lot.....
Here's to a clean eating day....

YES YES YES....I totally agree!!!!
I did it, I fasted yesterday. A good proper fast. Finally. And I may do it again today too.
So even though I threw the gauntlet down and said NO GAIN for the holiday 2013 season, I am up. +2ishlbs. Which is waaaay better than the +8 I gained JUST from Oct-Jan back in 2012. So I'm happy with 2 but I want to see it GONE asap!
I forget how good I feel when I fast. So powerful. I need to remember this feeling...

Coops... YOU ARE GOING TO GET TO GOAL THIS YEAR!!!!

Sheila - you look sooooo amazeballs;and you have a beautiful family!  And YES - that pic should go in the LBD!!!  Glad to hear that you had a great time... hugs across the pond!
 
Happy Birthday Georgia - hope you had a great day, pics are lush!
 
Cathy - I am fasting tomo - gonna kick some serious fast butt cos I want that surgeon's goal sooooo badly!
 
Hugs to everyone else - chin up ladies 2014 is our year!

I am not actively looking for a new job... i am actively figuring out how to build and grow a new life though. I feel like losing all this weight has given me a new chance and I am working to live it and love it more than ever. There are so many dimensions to this....
but I am determined to NOT use food to suppress my feelings
I am determined to be honest about my needs, my feelings and ask for what I need
I am determined to make the best of things and so this is why I mentioned keeping my mood journal. What I am experiencing does NOT make sense to me. Steven suggested it was hormonal/menopause since he has gone through this with prior girlfriends (he is an old guy after all..haha) but it makes no sense to me since I have been post menopause for a few years. Anyway, it is something that seems chemical imbalance to me. I feel better just for having some sort of plan of attack, know what I mean?
-I am signed up for a gun safety/learn to shoot class with my friend Mary
-I am going to push through and try to learn to ski, even if not very well
-I am putting my horse in a barn (temporarily) with a lit and covered arena so I can get riding again even though it is dark and cold out, as riding is my main "therapy".
-I am joining a gym, I need a place to go everyday and it used to be the gym, so why not
-I have my Mexico trip planned for early March and I am going to Orlando on business in February - looking forward to sunshine
Steven is back from his relatives sometime today. I need to talk to him because he told me he really wanted me to start dating to find a "real" boyfriend. He would like our arrangement to just continue, but he knows I want someone to do stuff with - go places with etc and he just isn't the guy to do that right now. I have a couple of speed dating possibilities in January but I have to say that right now, I am just not excited about it. I want to talk to Steven because I would rather just let that situation "stay status quo" for awhile if he is agreeable to it.
I realized one of my biggest "fears" is what if I do find a decent guy - crap. I don't want that kind of distraction right now. I am entering my 3rd year as a sleever and I just feel like I need to continue making me, my health, my weight and my lifestyle as #1. Steven is a skinny athlete type and so he isn't big on doing alot of consuming but so many of the guys I have "dated" are all about the food and I just don't want that right now... I am not very clearly stating my mixed feelings about this - but all you ladies know that men are time consuming and often expect your focus and attention.
I guess what I am really saying is that I need to get career, house, home, my inner life sorted out. I am not as messed up as I make it sound at times,. I just want things to be awesome!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY GEORGIA! I love the pics, you look so happy! Enjoy your day today. On a side note, when I was 15 I worked at Chuck E. cheese. I even had to dress up in that gross costume a couple of times, then I got moved up to party hostess.
Sheila, you look so pretty! Yes, post it in the LBD section. I love your shoes, too. Your girls are pretty, the hubs isn't bad looking either. Must've taken forever to straighten your daughters hair! Sounds like you had a great time at the wedding. The food sounds delicious.
Dorrie and Sheila, you can do it with your fast day! It's hard but feels so good when it's over. I did mine yesterday, just made myself do it. Feel much better today.
SherylJane, are you looking for a new job?
Laura, you doing ok? Haven't heard from you much.
Globe, checking in on you, too. Let us know how you are. I have been thinking about you.
Happy Thursday, Ladies!

Sheila you have a beautiful family and you are so beautiful too! I agree with making the pics bigger.
The food at the wedding sounds like a food dream to me. I would want so much more than my stomach could hold.....
Kim what a wonderful day you had and the food sounds so delicious...
Dee I hope you get and ETA on your place really soon. There's nothing like home sweet home...
Sheryl it's hard to have mood swings. But you will get this sorted out really soon I hope.
Today is a fast day. I hadn't eaten since 3:00pm yesterday because my stomach was so upset from the cr** I ate and today I am fasting to detox from the sugars. I did decide to have a Protein Shake at 9:00am to get my energy up.... I will have a piece of chicken for lunch with a veggie and Soup for dinner. I plan on cleaning out the frigerator today and trash all the cr** that's been accumulating over the holidays. wishing everyone whose fasting a wonderful easy fast day!

Oh Dorrie, me too, fasting today. Proper fast. None of this "try" sh*t that I've been doing lately. I'M DOING IT NO MATTER WHAT!!!
Thank you all for the kind comments...I just realized I should post my dress photo in the LBD thread over on success stories!

Well, Girls, sounds like everyone has a lot going on from weddings to surgeries to housing, to "sparring" (Coops ????) to lovely parties and Just "issues!"
I, for one, am sitting in Chuck E cheese enjoying my three "grand girlies" on my 60th BD! Ha!!!
In New Orleans having a lovely visit. Both of the older girls surprised me with beautiful cards they purchased all on their own and surprised me. My son ordered me a beautiful keepsake charm engraved, my daughter sent me a lovely message and song and dear Hubs as well. ( he chose to stay home since he had been with kids for the last two weeks! Ha!).
Wish all of you the best in your day, fasting or otherwise.

What was my moment? Life... Everyday life....

None of us are "playing doctor". This is a discussion forum is it not? I'm sure there are many different types of physicians involved in her care and nobody here said that she is choosing to be this way. That is the point. If her body tells her she's hungry even after she eats then it seems the surgery could be very harmful for her. We are all here because we overrate and we did not even have the brain issue that she does. That's the point. It's hard to change our eating to a healthy lifestyle and for her even If she eats healthy her brain never tells her that her hunger is quenched. How will a bypass help that? Has it ever?

I'm scheduled for the 13th and it really hit me today that in 10 days I will go under the knife for the first time in my life. it's scary but it's needed in order for me to keep the weight off. I was always able to lose weight but never able to keep it off. now my health is in decline and there is no better choice for me at this time. it's scary but we can do it =]

I had second thoughts..
Unfortunately I wasn't smart enough to have them until they where wheeling me into the operating room
But I think most people have moments of second guessing going into this. And that's a good thing! It means you are really thinking about this radical move and what brought you here.
I know for me this was my last stop, radical yes but I had literally tried everything else and failed. It was try this or die an early death. So I took my chances on this. I'm happy I did.
I don't know your story..
But I will assume this is your last chance at health too? That you have tried many ways of losing weight before. And could not lose or keep the weight off long term?

I had second thoughts..
Unfortunately I wasn't smart enough to have them until they where wheeling me into the operating room
But I think most people have moments of second guessing going into this. And that's a good thing! It means you are really thinking about this radical move and what brought you here.
I know for me this was my last stop, radical yes but I had literally tried everything else and failed. It was try this or die an early death. So I took my chances on this. I'm happy I did.
I don't know your story..
But I will assume this is your last chance at health too? That you have tried many ways of losing weight before. And could not lose or keep the weight off long term?

Thank you!

Hello,
I'm not a nurse but there are many here.
This is just one thread where you might get some pertinent info and ask questions.
http://www.bariatricpal.com/topic/218028-super-nurses-with-sleeves-support-group/?fromsearch=1

I'm here, and I hear you. I cannot go there and get you and take you out for fresh air but if I could I would.
It's so hard to leave the house sometimes, I know. The longer you're in the harder that first step is.
I know this is going to sound weird but try to have your husband read what you wrote.. It will help him understand (if he doesn't already) and perhaps help you make the first steps by getting you out more (yes even if he's tired) you and your child need fresh air even if it just for a little while everyday bundle up and get outside even if it's just in the front or back yard for awhile.

I'm here, and I hear you. I cannot go there and get you and take you out for fresh air but if I could I would.
It's so hard to leave the house sometimes, I know. The longer you're in the harder that first step is.
I know this is going to sound weird but try to have your husband read what you wrote.. It will help him understand (if he doesn't already) and perhaps help you make the first steps by getting you out more (yes even if he's tired) you and your child need fresh air even if it just for a little while everyday bundle up and get outside even if it's just in the front or back yard for awhile.

I'm sorry but I'm very confused by this post..
Not good, not good at all.... Please people don't do it, and please stop suggesting for other people to do it.
First, this behavior is the first steps of bulemia and getting into the habit of chewing food and spitting it out can lead to a very serious eating disorder. After WLS we are already dealing with changing the way we relate to food, so we want to instill good habits all along the way and avoid the bad ones as much as possible.
Second, there's a biological reason not to do this too. When you smell food and when it enters your mouth and you begin to chew, the body goes into Prep Mode to receive food. Your salivary glands produce saliva, your pancreas produces insulin, your liver produces gastric acid and your brain begins to calculate how much nutrition you're about to receive from the food you eat so it can keep track of it's daily needs/calories --- the body is a well tuned machine and it knows how to deal with food when it knows it's coming. But then you spit out the food. Your body still has excess saliva, insulin, gastric acid and it can't figure out why it didn't get the nutrition it thought it was going to get so the brain accountants go nuts.
Excess insulin in your body causes your appetite to increase so you'll eat more food to soak up all that extra hormone. Excess gastric acid in the stomach -- now released at the Y of your common channel -- can cause indigestion or heartburn or ulcers. And those brain accountants are now doing some creative math to recalculate the nutritional value of food because it thought it was going to get a certain number of calories, but none came, so next time you try to eat that same food the brain thinks you need twice as much to get the same nutrition as it thought it should have gotten last time.
So not only is the whole "chew and spit" habit a training ground for bulemia, it's also a way to tease your body into thinking it's getting food when it really isn't. Bulemia is a very serious illness and not something you want to play around with.
http://www.bariatricpal.com/topic/252757-chewing-food-and-spitting-it-out/?fromsearch=1

Sheila, You are beautiful...
Kim, I hope your father is doing better everyday.

There isn't doubt that I have changed since my surgery. Some people may tell you I have changed for the worse. Others, myself included, will say I have changed for the better.
I am certainly more confident, and I have become less tolerant of being treated poorly. I have had to readjust some friendships and relationships along they way as I realised how some were not that good for me. Those people may well say that my WLS changed me for the worse. I know that I am now more authentic, honest and true to myself.
It is hard to measure our own behaviour by other people's expectations. All we can do is be honest with ourselves.
As for the alcohol, we are all different. I drink alcohol, I regularly have a glass of wine with dinner. I occasionally over indulge (the last two weeks have been particularly over indulgent!) but I do not see any difference with tolerating alcohol post sleeve. Certainly this was the case when I first had a drink about eight weeks after surgery but over time this normalised and it is no different for me now. I just factor it in like any other calorie that I have to burn.
I know there are all sorts of stories about cross addiction with food to alcohol post WLS. Certainly there is some evidence to indicate a risk for individuals with addictive type personality ,family history of addiction and so on. Remember of course that the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. There are definitely stories, trends, and indications but little in the way of double blind randomized controlled trials on addiction transfer post bariatric surgery.
I do not consider I had a food addiction prior to WLS. If you consider you do, then it may well be wise to avoid alcohol post surgery. Only you will know what is right for you here as only you will truly be able identify whether you have addiction.

I ate a piece of bread last night......
With butter!!!

I've never heard of this!?!? I think I may have done it once when I tried escargot for the first time.

Sheila, You are beautiful...
Kim, I hope your father is doing better everyday.