Cadilex

I find it ironic that there's this thread right here wondering why people do these things, followed by a bunch of "you don't know or understand" and "you're not being supportive!" posts...and just a few threads down on this board are a bunch of people reaming out another person for wanting to start solids before their surgeon allows it.
Look, being a food addict doesn't give you a free pass to do stupid things. And yes, it's not nice or PC to say it, but it's absolutely a stupid thing to trust a surgeon to slice your body open and remove most of an organ, and then to decide on your own to just eat what you want despite the fact that he/she gave you a diet specifically geared to prevent life threatening complications.
YOU CAN DIE FROM A LEAK. Do you know why the complication rate is low with the sleeve? Partly because our surgeons give us post op diets to follow to prevent complications!
I'm sorry, but if you are not in a place where you can mentally withstand three weeks of a liquid diet and would rather risk your life eating Cookies and hamburgers during that phase, you should probably get some counseling prior to surgery. I am not being cruel, I am saying this as nicely as I know how to say it. There is no shame in needing support. However, it would be a real shame for someone to risk their life and undergo serious pain and follow on surgeries because they were not prepared to exercise willpower long enough to heal.
We all have food addictions and bad habits - every one of us. Some people cope better than others, certainly. But nobody here has an easy relationship with food or we'd have skipped the organ removal!
And I don't care what anyone says - being supportive means being HONEST. Sure, there are nice ways to do this and blunt and harsh ways. In my opinion, the OP was not harsh or rude in any way. Certainly she said nothing out of line.
If you come here and ask the advice of total strangers on the internet, do not expect that everyone is going to give you a rainbow sparkles hug when you're doing dumb things. Sometimes we need a wake up call and gently saying, "Gosh, I don't know that eating a cheeseburger is a good idea a week post op" probably isn't as effective as saying, "Do you have a death wish?!"
People with addictions love to blame their addictions for their own choices and weakness but the reality is that every one of us can change. We have to choose to do it. Do not say "I can't stop eating" because YES YOU CAN. It's just harder to stop, that's all.
Good luck, folks. And to anyone I offend now or later on VST, I'm sure I meant it in the nicest way possible.
~Cheri

Yes, but this thread has nothing to do with being strict or not. It's about people coming on here asking for other people to assuage their guilt for eating something that is less than ideal.
And for us so called "sleeve nazis", the sleeve is not just about weight loss, it's also about getting healthy. During the honeymoon phase most sleevers can eat cupcakes every meal and still lose weight, but they aren't doing their health any favors.

Butter bean, I wish I could "like" your post about 20 times.

Now, I am near goal and not sure this would have worked before but i believe I found a miracle "cure" - well, it is not a cure but certainly a containment. I bought a pair of those stay up thigh high stockings. I stuffed my inner thigh skin into a nice pair of black ones, and my legs look and feel so nice. The rest of my legs ARE nice, but those inner thighs just ruin it for me. Now, I can imagine now what normal thighs would be like. I bought them for wearing with a dress, but right now I am wearing them under my skinny jeans and love the feel. Just a thought for those of you that really don't like the look of those saggy inner thighs...
I got the idea from the lady who works at the Lovers store where I went to procure fun things for a lady to go wild with, but those stockings are the best of the purchases - what a boost! She gave me tips on how to put them on, those lades are EXPERTS!
Pantyhose, Shapewear or tights do basically the same thing, but don't make me feel sexy the way these do!

I agree and understand - I have been obese since childhood and have failed more diets then most people have even heard of! I am very emphatetic about how hard it is . I think it is great that people come on here and have tantrums and jump up and down over their frustrations. WE understand what maybe others don't....
What i DON'T understand is how people can go into this surgery knowing so little and always looking to game it. In my mind, that is different then someone who slips up because it really is hard.
I am not judging people, we do all have our own road to travel, but I failed once at weight losss surgery (lapband) and I DON'T intend to fail again. I try to share my experiences so hopefully others can learn from my mistakes. Maybe they need to make their own mistakes... but I am quite familiar with the road to failure and for those that care to pay attention might benefit from that. I am not the only one, there are tons of people on this site who know what it takes to make it work. Always looking for ways to just do what you want to anyway isn't one of them.... and I am not interested in being an enabler to those that hope they can avoid changing their habits and lifestyle while becoming a swimsuit model...lol
I try to be positive and supportive but i dont feel the need to lie.

When I was feeling weak and dying for a fresh-baked Xmas cookie, I came here BEFORE I caved for people who understood me to "talk me down" and remind me how strong I am and why I did this.
It worked. No cookie for me and I got SUPPORT bc I didn't do something stupid to derail my progress so far. Like a virtual AA sponsor!

I don't know why it's so shocking to see some people posting about eating harmful things pre or post op. at one point we were all so fat that someone somewhere was probably shocked everytime they saw us eat anything. I'm all for giving support how the person needs it. Many times you can tell from the tone of the OP what they are fishing for. Some people want that kick in the a&& others seem to just want an audience. Sometimes I post most of the time I don't. As a matter of fact most of the topics on here are so repetitive if you've been here for 6+ months, so I guess nothing shocks me anymore. However, if I see another post about someone 4-6 weeks out "not losing weight" I'm gonna scream :-p j/k. All jokes aside many of us are fighting demons of addiction and as helpful and supportive as we all think we are or genuinely want to be we may not be able to reach everyone that has an addiction and having the sleeve doesn't save everyone. As always I say, good luck, God bless, and happy losing!

Butter bean, I wish I could "like" your post about 20 times.

I've seen people asking if they can drink alcohol 1 week post op. That has nothing to do with a doctors strict post op regime.

What surprises me is not the people who ask for permission to begin eating crap food 3 weeks post op, it's the people who give it.
Enablers.....

Insensitive and judgmental?? Why? Because she expressed her opinion? Those who post their concerns when they know they've mismanaged their recovery should expect honest responses. Those who feel the original posters of such messages were foolish in their choices have an equal right to post their honest thoughts as those who want to post sincere support and words of understanding and empathy. No one opinion is more or less valid than the other. If support for foolish mistakes is what any of you want or need, and you want that with no possibility naysayers can respond, may I suggest you private message the litany of posters on these boards who regularly offer that kind of sympathetic response. There is a time and place for both to coexist peacefully.

Insensitive and judgmental?? Why? Because she expressed her opinion? Those who post their concerns when they know they've mismanaged their recovery should expect honest responses. Those who feel the original posters of such messages were foolish in their choices have an equal right to post their honest thoughts as those who want to post sincere support and words of understanding and empathy. No one opinion is more or less valid than the other. If support for foolish mistakes is what any of you want or need, and you want that with no possibility naysayers can respond, may I suggest you private message the litany of posters on these boards who regularly offer that kind of sympathetic response. There is a time and place for both to coexist peacefully.

I am about 70 miles south of Dallas and scheduled for surgery Jan. 22 in Dallas with Dr. Nick Nicholson. Great to read how well my fellow Texans are doing.

Insensitive and judgmental?? Why? Because she expressed her opinion? Those who post their concerns when they know they've mismanaged their recovery should expect honest responses. Those who feel the original posters of such messages were foolish in their choices have an equal right to post their honest thoughts as those who want to post sincere support and words of understanding and empathy. No one opinion is more or less valid than the other. If support for foolish mistakes is what any of you want or need, and you want that with no possibility naysayers can respond, may I suggest you private message the litany of posters on these boards who regularly offer that kind of sympathetic response. There is a time and place for both to coexist peacefully.

Insensitive and judgmental?? Why? Because she expressed her opinion? Those who post their concerns when they know they've mismanaged their recovery should expect honest responses. Those who feel the original posters of such messages were foolish in their choices have an equal right to post their honest thoughts as those who want to post sincere support and words of understanding and empathy. No one opinion is more or less valid than the other. If support for foolish mistakes is what any of you want or need, and you want that with no possibility naysayers can respond, may I suggest you private message the litany of posters on these boards who regularly offer that kind of sympathetic response. There is a time and place for both to coexist peacefully.

Insensitive and judgmental?? Why? Because she expressed her opinion? Those who post their concerns when they know they've mismanaged their recovery should expect honest responses. Those who feel the original posters of such messages were foolish in their choices have an equal right to post their honest thoughts as those who want to post sincere support and words of understanding and empathy. No one opinion is more or less valid than the other. If support for foolish mistakes is what any of you want or need, and you want that with no possibility naysayers can respond, may I suggest you private message the litany of posters on these boards who regularly offer that kind of sympathetic response. There is a time and place for both to coexist peacefully.

Insensitive and judgmental?? Why? Because she expressed her opinion? Those who post their concerns when they know they've mismanaged their recovery should expect honest responses. Those who feel the original posters of such messages were foolish in their choices have an equal right to post their honest thoughts as those who want to post sincere support and words of understanding and empathy. No one opinion is more or less valid than the other. If support for foolish mistakes is what any of you want or need, and you want that with no possibility naysayers can respond, may I suggest you private message the litany of posters on these boards who regularly offer that kind of sympathetic response. There is a time and place for both to coexist peacefully.

Insensitive and judgmental?? Why? Because she expressed her opinion? Those who post their concerns when they know they've mismanaged their recovery should expect honest responses. Those who feel the original posters of such messages were foolish in their choices have an equal right to post their honest thoughts as those who want to post sincere support and words of understanding and empathy. No one opinion is more or less valid than the other. If support for foolish mistakes is what any of you want or need, and you want that with no possibility naysayers can respond, may I suggest you private message the litany of posters on these boards who regularly offer that kind of sympathetic response. There is a time and place for both to coexist peacefully.

"No one opinion is more or less valid than the other." I totally agree.
Some people need the pat on the back others need the kick in the pants. Perhaps everyone posting should add a disclaimer as to what type of response they want. Everyone posting for feedback isn't going to like every answer, that's just the way it is on a public forum.

Insensitive and judgmental?? Why? Because she expressed her opinion? Those who post their concerns when they know they've mismanaged their recovery should expect honest responses. Those who feel the original posters of such messages were foolish in their choices have an equal right to post their honest thoughts as those who want to post sincere support and words of understanding and empathy. No one opinion is more or less valid than the other. If support for foolish mistakes is what any of you want or need, and you want that with no possibility naysayers can respond, may I suggest you private message the litany of posters on these boards who regularly offer that kind of sympathetic response. There is a time and place for both to coexist peacefully.

I've only been here for a couple of weeks but I am stunned by the number of posts where people ask if it's ok to ignore their post surgical dietary instructions because they really want to eat something they know they shouldn't.
Is it really worth the chance of having complications to satisfy a craving? Do you want to be cut open again to deal with a leak, infection or some other complication? Are people really lacking that much basic common sense? It honestly boggles my mind to read so many posts like that.

Go tell your surgeon how you "cheated" and see if the office staff flows into the room to give you hugs and words of encouragement.
People typically come here to confess because they know their doctor will be furious with them. It's easy to say you cheated then cry how people were rude to you on an anonymous forum, try doing it in real life where people can really hold you accountable for your actions. We're on this forum because we're serious about changing our lives and have made a serious comittment.
It's rather infuriating to see people here almost making a mockery of our struggles to stick to the plan and find real help on issues like food intolerance and social interactions. The fact that you can't follow a simple 1-week out diet and come here complaining about it in front of people that have had serious complications like Iggy is just insulting.
And I told myself I wasn't going to post on these threads anymore.
I really want to help others through this journey like so many here have helped me, but I feel that lately people are not doing any research, cheating constantly, then coming here to be comforted and told that blatently ignoring their surgeon's orders is okay. I signed a contract with my surgeon saying that I would follow all of the pre and post surgical guidelines. Didn't anyone else?!

After surgery you have freedom of choice but not freedom of consequence.
Before surgery improper eating was slow death. After surgery early on it can be immediately lethal. This is a serious operation. There is no kindness in sugar coating when it gives the impression of casualness. Merciless clarity is kindness and responsibilty.
OP, see the doctor and NUT. The posters on this forum cannot predict what will happen or know what has happened to you.