coexist23

First off SUSAN, I use COEXIST23 as a name of here for reason, but thanks for putting my real name out there!!! Very professional!!!! There's that 8 years of experience!
Second of all, Omar and I flirted together and what he said to me was funny and in a joking manner. I would LOVE to get the name of the person who told you this. Let me guess, one of the many girls who Omar has slept with. Yes, I know all about 2 of the girls he has been involved with. They both were completely consensual. He is a grown ass man and these are grown ass woman. One of these girls is super hurt by Omar and will do anything to bring him down. Clearly she is using you to do her dirty work.

Dr. Illan is amazing!!!!!! If you would like to talk to is clients without the drama from above, request to join a Facebook group for his patients. Look for "Team Illan"

My 2 cents for what it's worth.
I had a lap band done several yrs ago by Dr Ariel Ortiz, he's an excellent doctor and I had an excellent experience. 4 months ago I had Dr Illan do my Sleeve & Omar was the coordinator. I could only afford to spend 5k for my procedure & was one reason I chose Dr. Illan & Omar. I traveled alone & felt safe the entire time and all the doctors were attentive, as well as Omar. If you are traveling alone then I would recommend Omar as your coordinator because I wasn't alone at the hospital during recovery time & I knew he would translate anything that I needed to the nurses and that was important to the overall experience. Dr. Illan was also professional and I'm happy with the results. Starting weight 212lbs and now it's 175lbs.

Yes, the sleeve was originally intended as a stopgap for severely obese people who weren't healthy enough for RNY. Later, they found that many people didn't need RNY because the sleeve worked so well and it became a treatment of it's own. If it isn't effective, RNY is still an option.

then you might as well "go after" all the other surgeons in that price range in Tijuana....funny how it's only Dr. Illan you're after

Well, I never had any issues beforehand. I heard about the horror stories about the pain being worse than childbirth. A big NO THANK YOU! I know that 75% of gastric surgery clients end up with gallsstones due to the rapid weightloss. I didn't. Want to have to be put down again. More scars, etc.
I didn't and haven't had any issues at all. I am 1 1/2 years out.

Dr. Illan is amazing!!!!!! If you would like to talk to is clients without the drama from above, request to join a Facebook group for his patients. Look for "Team Illan"

Ha! Are you serious? This has, on balance, little to do with Dr. Illan, and more to do with his assistant. Which, if you had read the thread from its inception, you would have understood.
Is this an attack as a form of self defence?! You 'lot' make me laugh... (and that's incredulously, if you haven't got the wherewithal to work it out )
Move on, chickadee... You're boring us with your non-enlightening prose....

Pots meet kettles X 10

Pots meet kettles

Illan with Baja Bariatrics? YES Would I go back to Mexico to be sleeved? YES! Am I happy with my decision? YES!
Dr. Illan is a very talented surgeon and his WHOLE team is amazing! I took a family member back in January to be sleeved and would recommend his team to anyone. While in Tijuana I met other patients from different doctors and noticed they didn't have someone there checking in to make sure their spouse/friend/family member had eaten or was ok. When out shopping with Omar I ran into the same people who had to take a cab and had no idea what to do or where to shop. The Baja Bariatric team goes OVER & BEYOND anything you can even think of during your stay. I've lost 101 lbs thus far and am beyond thrilled with my surgery and support I have received from Baja Bariatrics

That's not fair! She can have sex with whoever she chooses and your comment is shaming. It might not be your choice...but it's hers and really, you don't have any say in the matter.

I thought I'd turned off this thread, but I found another nasty note that'd been directed to my home email from this site. I'll have to figure out how to change that setting in a minute.
I just don't know; to what lengths do you think I've gone, Chelcy? You've said that a couple of times. I did defend Omar. He's not a saint, but he's not who's been painted here. He's had a hard life, and he's made some bad choices, but he's not a predatory, either. I don't have a romantic relationship with him. I am in a happy, healthy relationship. Thank you very much for the sexist rants, though, really.
My issue, and thank you for helping me to clarify my thinking on this matter, is with Susan. I think she's a horrible human being because she's done this before. Maybe we should post some warnings about her. Or maybe, we could just back up and wait to see if she'll pay attention to what's happened here in order to make some better, kinder decisions in her dealings with vulnerable people.
I asked several questions regarding what I came here to ask. Most have been glossed over, so I'm going to ask them again, and I'll keep asking them each time I'm reminded of this thread. There should be no problem addressing them, because unlike the barrage directed at me, these questions do not sink to the level of insult and false accusation. They are simple questions, and it should be no problem to answer them. I'll cut and paste them again now so that you don't have to go find them.
Are you suggesting that ethnic slurs (and now sexist remarks) are acceptable when a person feels slighted by others? Also, I wonder why you responded in the first person to a statement I made to different user of this website. Hmm.
Are you asserting that you do not have a personal relationship with one of the founding members of this website? Is that relationship predatory? Could such a relationship be considered predatory since you are a patient, as well? If I were he, I'd stay well away from someone with such a long list of accusations.
Do you mean that you did not work for a competing doctor at the time of the "discovery" of the first incident? Do you mean that you referred many patients to the doctor for whom a patient died? Are you certain that you didn't take issue with the death of that patient until you were dismissed from employment?
Didn't you seek medical treatment from the doctor to whom you referred patients? Didn't you, in fact, seek medical treatment in Tijuana AFTER you posted that it was extremely dangerous to do so?
Are you sure you didn't "find out" about a personal relationship of Omar's immediately following being denied for medical treatment by one of the medical teams you've accused? Could it be possible that this denial comes, in part, from medical professionals fearing getting involved with someone so inclined toward slander and defamation?
I'm curious as to why, and perhaps you can answer this... Why would women randomly seek you out to confide their deepest secrets if they'd felt victimized? I mean, I'm struggling to understand how it comes to be that a coordinator who is in no way connected to a medical team becomes the personal confidant of SO MANY slighted or victimized patients. Can you tell me how, was it seven you said?, how did these women come to find you to express this very personal experience of feeling "taken advantage of?"
and more recently...
Why do these long time users, these "victims" with whom you've gotten so close, have accounts that don't reflect being long term users of this site? Do you know all 7 of these women personally through another forum or another avenue of life?

Chelcy, That was a direct response to the assertion that I'd been involved with Omar. Surely I don't have to be accused without being able to deny the allegation.
Linda, my background is in law enforcement. I've served the federal and state governments with commendation. Like I said, you can dig all you want.
Madame, you can go through the threads to compare them, I assume. I am not interested in doing that for you. I assume you have the stated ability to compare texts.
VSGAnn-You're not even a patient in Mexico? For the love o' Pete...
This has really deteriorated into silliness at this point. I think I've contributed what I can. I understand that you-all think that Omar did something wrong. Many of us think that Susan is a really bad person. People can read the backgrounds and make their own decisions. I think I've brought all I can to this discussion, and I find myself almost sinking to the level of this discourse. With that, I'm going to bow out. I came here with good intentions, and even if I think you're wrong, I wish you happiness and good health.

rhw ...
I know you meant to delete that post draft above. But I'm glad it came through. I found it helpful in better understanding the Mexican bariatric surgery scene.
I know you weren't describing everyone who goes to Mexico for bariatric surgery, but your draft post helped me understand better the viewpoints of those who defend The Fabulous Omar so vociferously.
For the record, I never would have imagined anyone would treat weight loss surgery (or any kind of surgery) as a Club Med vacation.
Live and learn.

Seriously? The post above me referenced Ted Bundy.
REALLY glad her kids aren't in my class now.

I don't believe that there are a lot of people making these claims, and I don't think you have to be very clever to figure that out. I believe Susan and one other woman who is a former patient of Dr. Illan's (who, I understand, did date him after her surgery) have fabricated most of this. Aside from watching Susan do this twice before now (there are allegations that it's happened a third time), there are problems with the credibility of this story.
The tone of this story and the "supporting evidence" takes the same shape, rhetorical pattern, and writer's voice as her past campaigns. Funny how witnesses here use the same exact phrases that they used in the last campaign. Durp! Maybe I've just noticed that sort of thing because I've graded so many papers in my life.
Another thing that stands out to me is how new these women are to this forum. They knew Susan for years on this website, enough to confide their deepest secrets (for which she was not fishing, mind you), but their profiles have like 7 posts? I find that part curious. I noticed that same thing when Dr. Kelly was slandered on this website. Isn't it more likely that these are created just for this purpose?
I said I am a friend and former patient of Omar and the other members of Team Illan. Omar has been very open about changing his life and about his weight loss. Like I said, you can dig all you want. My hands are clean. My interest here is that I don't like seeing people harm others. Susan is not a nice person for doing this. It is morally incorrect.
Oh, and Linda, about supervising your kids... the feeling is mutual.

What have I learned from all of this, many adult women do not except responcibiliy for their own actions. Women flirting is OK , but when a man does and the women spread 'em and the relationship doesnt workout its rape. Facts dont mean a lot when one is tried in this court and finally this belongs on Jerry Springer.

Let me explain why we defend him. Many of us know Omar to be a kind and exceptional human being. He is our friend, as well as one hell of a coordinator. We know him to be the exact opposite of what's been described here. When you know a person, it doesn't matter what others can dig up on the internet to scare you (Yes, we know that Omar has changed his life following a series of difficult circumstances and some bad choices when he was younger. When that didn't get a rise the first time you posted it, you'd have thought you'd move on from the topic. His charges were actually pretty benign, and wouldn't have been felony charges if he'd been born 50 miles to the north). This fear campaign only matters to new patients who don't know this team and who just want to change their lives. Shame on those who would put fear in the hearts of others who are looking to escape obesity. That is unkind.
The people who defend him (most of us know one another) don't believe these accusations, and Susan has had several "be afraid" campaigns to share with people immediately following exchanges where people didn't do what she wants. She did something similar when I was desperately searching for a surgeon due to some complications with my lapband. She'd referred me to Dr. Kelly, and then shortly after that was telling people that he'd killed a woman in the OR. Now, I have asked, and would really like to know, Susan, did you not seek medical treatment from Team Illan less than two months prior to your "concerns?" Did they not decline to help you out of the concern that you do this sort of smear campaign and have done it several times before to other medical providers?

Susan, you may have responded already, but since there have been so many posts, I didn't see a reply. I'll paste my questions here again.
Are you suggesting that ethnic slurs are acceptable when a person feels slighted by others? Also, I wonder why you responded in the first person to a statement I made to another user of this website. Hmm.

Are you asserting that you do not have a personal relationship with one of the founding members of this website? Is that relationship predatory? Could such a relationship be considered predatory since you are a patient, as well? If I were he, I'd stay well away from someone with such a long list of accusations.

Do you mean that you did not work for a competing doctor at the time of the "discovery" of the first incident? Do you mean that you referred many patients to the doctor for whom a patient died? Are you certain that you didn't take issue with the death of that patient until you were dismissed from employment?

Didn't you seek medical treatment from the doctor to whom you referred patients? Didn't you, in fact, seek medical treatment in Tijuana AFTER you posted that it was extremely dangerous to do so?

Are you sure you didn't "find out" about a personal relationship of Omar's immediately following being denied for medical treatment by one of the medical teams you've accused? Could it be possible that this denial comes, in part, from medical professionals fearing getting involved with someone so inclined toward slander and defamation?

I'm curious as to why, and perhaps you can answer this... Why would women randomly seek you out to confide their deepest secrets if they'd felt victimized? I mean, I'm struggling to understand how it comes to be that a coordinator who is in no way connected to a medical team becomes the personal confidant of slighted or victimized patients. Can you tell me how, was it seven you said?, how did these women come to find you to express this very personal experience of feeling "taken advantage of?"

It is not news. She is throwing out anything and everything she can to bring him down. That is what scorned lovers do. So Omar has a bad and crazy past. He has turned his life around. Even if he is still making bad moral decisions, that doesn't make him a rapist. This person and him had a relationship and she is butt hurt. He didn't want to beg her to stay and or marry her so she is doing this.

We should not link ppls FB this is all he said she said. And one of the girls accusing seems VERY Off it from what I've seen/read very fatal attraction-ish

Geez, people, he is not married!!! He is however, gross!

Sorry for the messed up post above. What I said to MX transformed was:
And yet, knowing all of these negative things that you now use against Omar to discredit him, you were not turned off by them enough to avoid an intimate relationship with him while still a married woman. I find that very interesting and very telling. I don't think Omar is a saint, not even close. You certainly don't come out of this smelling like roses either. All of you should be ashamed of your behavior.
She did not say the above paragraph as the quote box in the precious post implied.

I had a good experience with the team, but I am sorry to hear your story. I'm sure this isn't fun to hear about a long-term relationship. Best wishes to you and your family.