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Yes but doing everything we can is not enough. In therapy most of my life. In gym with personal trainer 3x week. In pool 2x week. I hate myself for not being able to sustain the mental changes that have to accompany the physical changes. Dam* coward.

Has any shrink come up with a workaround to the self sabotage? Fear is a HUGE factor. I can deal with it for several weeks, loss starts again, and sabotaging intrusive thoughts follow almost as soon as I realize "yeah! Did it!"

My lowest was 188 in 2014 and now I'm at 215. Was sleeved in 2011. HW 428. Sincerely hate myself.

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This Is How Many Carbs You Should Consume Per Day To Lose Weight!
(This is info my Nut/doctor from Mexico share with his patients.)

Whats a coaching program? How does that work? I have assiduously not touched a complex carb since dec 5 2011. I work out 3x week land with personal trainer and 2 to 3 x week swim. I ve gained 10 to 15 above my lowest. I suppose i could pack in Cookies etc but i still have not broken that fast. I have messed up with the no liquids right after a meal. I do overeat baby carrots. Sometimes i indulge in low fat string cheese. Sometimes blue berries....but i have gained in spite of everything and i hate that aspect of this struggle because there is no reward for the hard work. Yes. Being a smaller size. Fitting into an airplane seat [just ONE!] tying my own laces, wearing a swim suit,...yes it is a reward but i do not think it commensurate with the efforts i expend. Nope. For all that work i want MORE.

Jess...i googled fundus. My surgery was at yale so i am not questioning that the surgeon was lax. I do sometimes feel more restrictions than others but havent isolated quite shen that occurs except when i substitute a garden of life Protein Powder. But not so much now that its formulated with pea Protein. Im not panicked about this, as yet. I don't like it...but do accept that it's a life long struggle and i will never consider myself "out of the woods." My surgeon remarked on my fourth year follow-up that he never expected i would adhere to his 'rulings' as rigidly as i had. In fact he had his nut encourage me to add berries as complex carbs because i was not getting enough. So...i am looking forward to seeing what the new voodoo doc will recommend and hope i could resume the 7 Keto DHEA but won't get ahead of myself. Thanks for your discussion.

Whats a coaching program? How does that work? I have assiduously not touched a complex carb since dec 5 2011. I work out 3x week land with personal trainer and 2 to 3 x week swim. I ve gained 10 to 15 above my lowest. I suppose i could pack in Cookies etc but i still have not broken that fast. I have messed up with the no liquids right after a meal. I do overeat baby carrots. Sometimes i indulge in low fat string cheese. Sometimes blue berries....but i have gained in spite of everything and i hate that aspect of this struggle because there is no reward for the hard work. Yes. Being a smaller size. Fitting into an airplane seat [just ONE!] tying my own laces, wearing a swim suit,...yes it is a reward but i do not think it commensurate with the efforts i expend. Nope. For all that work i want MORE.

i very clearly said it was presuming i am dishonest with myself that engenderd my anger. You persist in reading what resonates with what you are thinking.
Such messages are not helpful.

"BUT most of us didn't get fat on Protein. Usually it was simple, refined carbs. "
i resemble that remark....biiig time.

"BUT most of us didn't get fat on Protein. Usually it was simple, refined carbs. "
i resemble that remark....biiig time.

@slimmingsteff BINGO! You hit the nail on the head.

Its shoddy because this very popular and populated website should adapt to all the different approaches (laptop, phone, desktop). That takes planning. Dale, nobody ever asked me to donate here. You r the first. Do u work for the forum? I hve no idea how it is funded. But you are not right to demand a donation from anyone.

Dash....me too. I get on the scale and automatically say 306. I still dont trust that I was ever in the 'onederland'...I was! I have witnesses to it. I want to believe I will get back to the ones and I did this novembe r during my trip to israel. I hope to get back to the ones end of this month when I visit in fla. But it never stays there. Invariably I get a cold or something requiring prednisone and I go haywire.
Hard to accept this as the status quo but better than 3xx or 4xx

U look great. All I can say is do not let the success go to your head. Do not allow the new you feeling to scare you, either. You won't get tooin small. My highest was 428 so I have a limited idea of what u might be experiencing. It's a very heady feeling and hard to take in the "new you". Just keep on the path.
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I keep forgetting to put them on! Old habits hard to break new habits hard to make. Fooey
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Vomiting and GERD -- I haven't had any
Pro's and con's -- first time in my life I am at a normal weight, which means my life has changed entirely. No real cons except (1) it's major surgery, so that does mean a period of pain and tiredness after as you recover; and (2) some people find themselves unable to tolerate certain types of food after. I can't/don't eat bread anymore or anything carbonated.
Advice -- you have to be ready and want to build an entirely new relationship with food. Food will no longer be your comfort, your entertainment, your stress relief, your way of celebrating holidays or family. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it though. You have to be willing to work hard at weight loss and weight maintenance for the rest of your life (I'm deadly serious about that). You have to be willing to accept the possibility that you radically change the kind of food you eat for the rest of your life. Don't kid yourself into thinking this surgery means you eat three bites of pancakes for Breakfast, one mini-cheeseburger for lunch, a Snickers fun bar for a snack, and a twinkie for dinner with a side of a couple french fries. Doesn't work like that. If you are like most of us, those types of foods are either entirely or very largely excised from our lives completely if we want to be successful in losing weight and keeping the weight off.
Small portions for the first month? I didn't have any "portions" for the first month. My plan called for liquids for the first month post-op.
After that I was allowed to move to pureed high Protein foods for four weeks. Portion size there was 1.5 ounces weighed or 3 tablespoons measured. This was more than enough, believe me.
After that I moved to soft foods for four months and my mandated size for each of my three daily meals was 3 ounces. I could rarely eat that much though.
I am now 3.5 years post op and can eat about 5 ounces per meal, depending on what is in the meal. I still focus on high protein, low carb eating in order to maintain my weight loss (over 200 lbs).
I don't know that there are stats or averages for weight loss in the first month. The first month post-op, your body does some insane things trying to recover from the trauma of surgery. Healing and getting used to a new way of relating to food should be your focus in the first month post op, not how fast you are losing. All that said, I would think anywhere from 8 - 25 lbs is a reasonable expectation for first month loss for someone your size. Focus on the lower end of that and if you lose more, let yourself be surprised and happy. Good luck in your decision!

Should WLS patient check in continuously with a therapist, psychologist, or life coach post op?
*****I think initially we dive right into this surgery and hope for the best. We follow the doctor's order and lose the weight. However, the very reason we are at this point is because our mindful eating habits have been controlling us. The surgery will fix the outside appearance but, what about the inside?*****
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Lipstick lady...yup. so far im told bacterial overbloom in gut, poor absorption of what i do eat and that everything i am eating is the right food for me. Im told to eat more fermented food and get more magnesium. Am on methylated B12 , 10k Vitamin D, 7keto DHEA, ultrazyme, prebiotics, Probiotics, and stuff i havent started yet.i spent 18 days in israel, ate out everyday snd lost 2 lbs. Living alone doesn't help. I did better on vacation than here. And i still battle with a slice of bread (which ive not touchedsince 2011. My friends attacked foccacia bread and oil in front of me and i didn't even feel jealous. Couldn't even finish my meal. But now, a week later, i find myself thinking back to that scene and boy do i taste that bread.. wonder if EMDR will workbfir carbs like it does for trauma

I never did well with those goups. iI find the meeting a pain in the neck because i need a sign language interpreter i orefer individual therapy...

I am 3.5 years out and have been in maintenance for over 2.5 years. I've heard of Halo ice cream but I've not tried it, nor do I really plan to. I was never a huge sweets person, but if I did indulge, ice cream was definitely my dessert of choice. Life is already filled with temptation at every turn, I see no need to purposefully bring another into my life.
In reading this thread, I have two "issues" for lack of better word. First and foremost, I am not sure why one would even consider buying ice cream of any sort at only two weeks out. I applaud your thought process of talking to your surgeon before eating it but just the fact that you brought it home gives you license to eat it regardless of that conversation when you hit a weak moment. Why have that little carton of yum whispering to you in the freezer when you should be concentrating on changing your habits? Along with that, you now have all this "validation" that it's OK for you when really, it is NOT AT ALL IDEAL at your stage in the game. You have people telling you how delicious it is and even one telling you that "most people cheat" so you can too. (Insert HUGE eyeroll here.) Later maybe, but not now.
My second "issue" is that fact that there is still the thought process that food is a "treat". That's a road directly back to Fatty Mcfatpants, a place I never want to revisit. A treat is a concert tickets and fitting comfortably through the crowd and in your seat. A treat is a new pair of skinny jeans in the single digit sizes. A treat is newly found collar bones and hip bones. A treat is fresh flowers on the kitchen table or a new trashy novel to enjoy on the next rainy day. A treat is a session on treadmill or a hike up a mountain without losing your breath immediately.
You aren't a dog. food is no longer a "treat" and what exactly is it "rewarding"?

I have always said i am eating only good healthy food. BUT U HAVE TO STOP EATING ALL OF IT. That habit respects no restrictions and i doubt i will ever forget to eat.
Right now had 3 year follow up and weight is 4lbs up from last year. They were not upset about it and thought i am doin well. Next fri will see if i have a polyp in my throat. Am freaking out abt that. The thing thats there is responding to atavan! Weight was 195.6 this a.m.

I admire your determination. I too refised all hospital food and insisred on eggs, cheese, yoghurt whatever i could get and strictly adhered to the diet during a couple of stays in the hosp. But there is something that negated that resolve later and i am bound and determined to discover an answer for this. NONE OF US HAD THE SURGERY TO PUT WEIGHT BACK ON A FEW YEARS LATER. I cant emphasize that enough.
There is something else at work here for those of us who have put on some weight years later. I do not think it is moral failure or weak resolve or falling off the wagon or whatever the convention is. I know it is not for me and i know thats not a delusion
Im going to see a functional medicine practitioner in October to the tune of $300 an hour. Hopefully she will help with intestinal bacterial overbloom and hopefully i will find the answer to my dilemma at least.

Wl warrior...thanks for revealing your thoughts about seeing other "fat" people. That has been my thinking ever since i lost weight...not nec with surgery, either. I am convinced that it stems from self hatred. I cant look in the mirror if i am fat. I tear myself apart for being fat. I think the thoughts are externalizing my true feelings about myself. That makes even the slightest gain especially anxiety provoking.
Im not alone!

Hi, looking for a place to discuss weight gain after five years. First I had the Lap Band and when that had to be taken out, a few months later I got the Gastric Sleeve. I notice a big difference between the two, I was never hungry with the band and I am not sure if I am hungry with the sleeve or just back to wanting to munch all the time. It has been two years with the sleeve and I know I can eat more.
I never reached my goal and had 40 still to go after both surgeries, but I know I have gained just from my clothes and the way they fit if not so much the scale.
I am so disgusted with myself after going through all of this that I cannot finish. I was looking for a local support group in the NJ area, still looking. Or a group on line with long term surgery people.
Anyway that for listening, write me back if you are having the same issues. Or know a place to go or a on line group.

Lori...u have permission to worry 3 to 4 years frim now. Just rekax and enjoy the newer you and what u can do.

Lori...u have permission to worry 3 to 4 years frim now. Just rekax and enjoy the newer you and what u can do.