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    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  2. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  3. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  4. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  5. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  6. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  7. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  8. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  9. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  10. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  11. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Des0520 in I Was In Tears This Morning   
    Friday. Weigh in day.
    When I started this Quest I was 441lb, BMI was 56, waist was also a 56. Bodyfat? High at 52%. Work scrubs size 5XL
    I climbed on the scale an looked down. After a few seconds it stopped and landed on 299lb. I yelled so loud my neighbor from downstairs knocked on my door. She asked if anything was wrong. "Everything was right" I told her. For the first time since I was 20 years old, I was under 300lb. I know I'm not at my goal but hot damn I can sure see it from here!!
    299lb
    36% BF
    38 BMI
    42" Waist
    2XL Work scrubs
    About 20lb lost was LBM. I never thought that 10.5 months from the date of surgery I'd be here. At just under 3.5lb/wk weight loss average, I feel pretty good. I still can't believe that I'm 299lb and still losing! There are weeks (sometimes 2-3 in a row) where I don't lose a single ounce. Sometimes I actually gained. One week I gained six pounds and thought I screwed something up. I'm now thinking about skin surgery. I look at myself and guesstimate that I have about 5-9lb of hanging skin. When I roll down past 20% BF then I'll get more serious about that.
    You all here are so very wonderful. I don't post much now with work and school going on but I read about all the people here. Each of you inspired me, motivated me and gave me hope. I was assured that I didn't mess up my body with this surgery. Y'all are terrific!! Bless every last one of you!
  12. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from rdoactv in My therapist said.....   
    I was told that given my past, I may be susceptible to two addictions as my body changes. Sexual and gambling.
    I bring this up to illustrate a point my therapist said. I became this size as a defense mechanism to compensate for the loss or nonexistence of something else. While I can't speak foe everyone I will speak for myself. I use/used food as a coping mechanism. Stress from all aspects of my life. Home, work, school, family, inlaws.... You name it there's stress involved.
    food
    Sex
    Gambling
    All will trigger the release of endorphins to give a feeling of satisfaction that isn't being met elsewhere. People, please address the issues (if any) as to why you're the size you are. Without a viable resolution, the underlying reasons can and often do transfer to another vice. The void that food fills has to be met head on and dealt with. Food addiction is dangerous as is. There are other things out there as bad or worse. Take the time to speak with a trained therapist if possible and address the issues. When the endorphins can't be made via eating the mind will seek out any other avenues to get that "rush".
    Take care, VST
    We're here to change our bodies, now take care of your mind too!
  13. Like
    Neoteric Verve reacted to t_rob in Has Surgery Changed Anyone's Marriage? Good Or Bad   
    Hey JGo. Don't worry about the dining out. You can still dine out at the same places. Of course, you may not be able to complete the meal, but that should be the least of your worries. Your focus should now be the conversation anyhow, not the food. And whatever you don't finish, you just take home and finish later. I mean, if it's a really good meal, you get to enjoy it multiple times. As for an all inclusive hotel, again, you may not consume as much at one time, but you will probably be hungry more often than your husband. This may help him incorporate 3-4 small meals as apposed to eating two massive meals like most of us use to do at all inclusive resorts and all you can eat buffets prior to wls.

    For example, I love the buffets in Las Vegas. But the best buffets are $20. Of course, I can't eat that much food. But I found something that works for me. They have this deal in Vegas that I just found out about. For one price, you can enter and eat at several of the best buffets in Vegas for 24 hours! So, if I purchase this pass at dinner time, I can come back for Breakfast, lunch and dinner the next day. And if I just want a snack, I can enter for that too! Your all inclusive resorts are very similar. But whatever you do, DO NOT sabotage yourself just to make someone else comfortable with over eating. Seriously, in the past I've gone out to eat with others who didn't eat as much as I did, and that did not stop me from completing my meal. Once they were done, the focus was conversation. Once I was done, they wrapped their food and took it home... or not.

    As for the activity, he'll either join you or not. Only if he is not secure in himself will he have a problem with your activity. Again, DO NOT sabotage yourself. And do not worry about it until you cross that bridge. We all have this same concern. But all you can do is reassure them that they have your heart and love, no matter what.
  14. Like
    Neoteric Verve reacted to Aussiegirl in 8 Months Out, What's The Word?   
    Coming just past the 10 month mark and 150 pounds gone, only about another 10-12 to go to my goal (surgeon never made a goal for me).
    Life is better, easier, shopping is way more fun.
    Still have alot of work I want to do to my body around toning up and getting rid of the extra rolls, but will see where my body lands on weight and then assess the excess skin situation.
    Exercise is part of my daily routine and something I enjoy and helps reduce the stress in my life...life really is a whole new adventure
    Also I am no longer Obese, i am purely overweight and I am ok with that.
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    Neoteric Verve reacted to BenisaMartim4 in Whats Better Sleeve Or Ru En Y?   
    I am less than 4 months out and I have lost 87#; and I do not exercise. My doc told me that he sees absolutely no reason why I would not lose 150# in a year.
    Sent from my iPad using VST
  16. Like
    Neoteric Verve reacted to O.T.R. sleever in When On The Skin?   
    This is good advice. From everything I've read, skin will continue to shrink & tighten for up to 2 years before its done. So assuming it takes 1year+- to reach goal. I think by getting cosmetic surgery before this could very well be paying someone to fix something that your body might have been able to take care of itself.
    Of course this wouldn't apply to "medically necessary" skin removal.
  17. Like
    Neoteric Verve reacted to scubadottie in What Can You Eat And How Much   
    This is what I came across a few weeks ago.....
    The Cottage cheese Test:
    The cottage cheese test is a technique that was presented at the June 2000

    meeting of the ASBS (and many times before that) by Latham Flanagan, MD
    (website is at The Oregon Center for Bariatric Surgery). It is meant to be
    a standardized, reproducible measurement of the physical size of the stomach
    pouch in a person who has undergone a gastric bypass procedure.
    Purchase a container of small curd low-fat cottage cheese. Begin the test
    with a full container, and perform the test in the morning before eating
    anything else (this will be your breakfast on that day). Eat fairly quickly
    until you feel full (less than five minutes). Note that the small soft curds
    do not require much chewing. The idea with the rapid eating is to fill the
    pouch before there is much time for food to flow out of it.
    After eating your "fill" of cottage cheese, you will be left with a
    partially eaten container that has empty space where cottage cheese used to
    be.
    Start with a measured amount of Water (16 ounces, for example), and pour
    water into the container of cottage cheese until the Water is level with the
    original top level of the cottage cheese.
    Voila - the amount of water poured into the container is the functional size
    of the pouch.
    If this is your first time doing the test - DON'T PANIC. You are likely to
    find that the "cottage cheese" size of your pouch is way bigger than your
    surgeon told you he/she made it at the time of surgery. Dr. Flanagan's data
    indicates that the average size of the mature pouch by cottage cheese test
    is 5.5 ounces. He has also found that sizes ranging from 3 to 9 ounces have
    NO IMPACT on the person's success in weight loss."
  18. Like
    Neoteric Verve reacted to susieq1 in My therapist said.....   
    Very well said...Oh those little endorphins.....Thanks
  19. Like
    Neoteric Verve reacted to RosieSweetie in My therapist said.....   
    Thanks for your post-it's important to think about these issues. I really appreciate that you took the time and effort to write this post.
  20. Like
    Neoteric Verve reacted to ProudGrammy in Hey There Vst How Have You Been?   
    -Neoteric Verve
    Welcome back - you were missed
    you have done amazing.
    As "they" say you are an inspiration to us all.

    Keep up the great work.

    "amp up my workouts" - alway a good idea - whatever you do next, you will get to goal soon, and continue your successful journey through sleeveland

    keep up the great work
    kathy
  21. Like
    Neoteric Verve reacted to Patrick Curl in Whats Better Sleeve Or Ru En Y?   
    Kimbernada hit the nail on the head with her pros and cons. I also didn't notice much negativity other than some strong opinions about why the sleeve is safer and such than bypass, but that is to be expected when 90% of the people on this forum have had or have chosen to have the sleeve done, or are preparing for surgery. We've all gone through the personal thoughts about which surgery to choose and its kinda funny how most of our reasons kinda overlap. I feel like sleevers are the people who research every little thing and ive literally spent three years lurking on band forums obesity help and this forum and for me this surgery and this support network are what I feel is going to help me be successful.
    Sent from my Kindle Fire using VST
  22. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from rdoactv in My therapist said.....   
    I was told that given my past, I may be susceptible to two addictions as my body changes. Sexual and gambling.
    I bring this up to illustrate a point my therapist said. I became this size as a defense mechanism to compensate for the loss or nonexistence of something else. While I can't speak foe everyone I will speak for myself. I use/used food as a coping mechanism. Stress from all aspects of my life. Home, work, school, family, inlaws.... You name it there's stress involved.
    food
    Sex
    Gambling
    All will trigger the release of endorphins to give a feeling of satisfaction that isn't being met elsewhere. People, please address the issues (if any) as to why you're the size you are. Without a viable resolution, the underlying reasons can and often do transfer to another vice. The void that food fills has to be met head on and dealt with. Food addiction is dangerous as is. There are other things out there as bad or worse. Take the time to speak with a trained therapist if possible and address the issues. When the endorphins can't be made via eating the mind will seek out any other avenues to get that "rush".
    Take care, VST
    We're here to change our bodies, now take care of your mind too!
  23. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Bigee450 in Lovin' This Super Sleeve!   
    Beyond AWESOME!!!! I am down 105lb since Sept 23rd, 2011. Iam 335lb as of today & feel now that my body will settle around 265-270lb. I see that I'll need a body tuck one day but not until I get under 300lb (preferably around 285lb). Best damn decision I ever made. Highly recommended to all!!!
  24. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from Bigee450 in Lovin' This Super Sleeve!   
    Beyond AWESOME!!!! I am down 105lb since Sept 23rd, 2011. Iam 335lb as of today & feel now that my body will settle around 265-270lb. I see that I'll need a body tuck one day but not until I get under 300lb (preferably around 285lb). Best damn decision I ever made. Highly recommended to all!!!
  25. Like
    Neoteric Verve got a reaction from rdoactv in My therapist said.....   
    I was told that given my past, I may be susceptible to two addictions as my body changes. Sexual and gambling.
    I bring this up to illustrate a point my therapist said. I became this size as a defense mechanism to compensate for the loss or nonexistence of something else. While I can't speak foe everyone I will speak for myself. I use/used food as a coping mechanism. Stress from all aspects of my life. Home, work, school, family, inlaws.... You name it there's stress involved.
    food
    Sex
    Gambling
    All will trigger the release of endorphins to give a feeling of satisfaction that isn't being met elsewhere. People, please address the issues (if any) as to why you're the size you are. Without a viable resolution, the underlying reasons can and often do transfer to another vice. The void that food fills has to be met head on and dealt with. Food addiction is dangerous as is. There are other things out there as bad or worse. Take the time to speak with a trained therapist if possible and address the issues. When the endorphins can't be made via eating the mind will seek out any other avenues to get that "rush".
    Take care, VST
    We're here to change our bodies, now take care of your mind too!

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