Who’s getting tired of all the ads that are calling the proposals for Health Care reform “Socialized Medicine”? Even the most liberal approach to the reforms “Single Payer” is not at all socialized medicine. At most, it might me considered “socialized payment” or “socialized administration”. None of the plans call for socialized medicine, if you are one that falls for this misinformation then the Insurance Companies are getting just what they want from you.

A more realistic example of socialized medicine would be the British System, in which the hospitals are run by the government and the doctors are on the payroll of the government. Another example closer to home would be the VA in which the government provides the hospitals and the doctors to vets. What is being proposed here “Single Payer or a Government Option” is a system in which the federal program only takes the place of the insurance company and pays the bills to the doctors or the hospitals. This program is more analogous to the Canadian and French systems. The beauty of this program is that it takes away the insanity that doctors have to go thru in dealing with hundreds of separate carriers and it provides coverage for everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions.

Do you really have a personal relationship with your insurance provider today? Do you even have a choice in which carrier you get? Most people don’t, they have to take whatever carrier their company provides for them. And then, once they take the carrier that is provided, they usually have to pick a doctor that is on the plan that the company offers. I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like a lot of free choice to me. You are being lied to by Insurance Companies. Single Payer will provide more choice and more cost savings to the average household. The only group that will suffer form this are the Insurance Carriers, and they will tell you every lie they can to stop it from being implemented. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for these companies. The way I see it, they are a big reason costs have escalated and quality of care has decreased over the last 30 years.

Thanks for showing me how to stick to the issues. This is the healthcare thread, right? Or did I stumble onto the "Is plain a jackass" thread?

Where is that thread? I'm always game for throwing somebody under the bus:biggrin:

Where is that thread? I'm always game for throwing somebody under the bus:biggrin:

I had to delete that particular thread. Because I'm a mod, and I can.:blushing:

I have a lot of problems with President Obama's policies, but I don't really have a problem with his vacations.

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We are in a recession, people have lost their jobs, thay can't afford to go on vacations, they have problems financially, medical bills are piling up, etc. Don't you think it's frustrating to the American people to see those in power living the life of luxury when they can't even afford the simple or essential things? Especially when it is coming from their paychecks. And not theirs only, but their future children and grandchildren. He should use some discretion. Just like it angered the people when the big banking employees flew their jets to the meetings on our tax dollars. Congress and Obama need to curtail their spending simply because WE all have to at this time.

Oh patty, aren't you the one who thinks capitalism is wonderful and perfect and the trickle down theory is just what it's cracked up to be? You champion the big money people because you think it will eventually be passed along to the po' folks? Spending money is what will help get us back on track. The moneyed folks need to be an example, is that what you're saying? Well, that's what they're doing. I seem to remember that you went on a vacation.

hey kartman! My rant on plain felt soooo good. It may not have made much sense, but I feel better. That's what counts right? 'cause it's all about me!!

Go ahead, give it all ya got. You'll feel better. Btw, it's perfectly acceptible to slip in any rant you want. Especially if it's a personal attack. *grin*

Maybe we should petition to have is account name changed to plainolepunchingbag:lol:

I’ve actually been trying to lay low from LBT R&R the last couple of weeks, I found it was consuming a little too much of my time. I’m still reading the posts, just fighting the urge to respond to every ridiculous argument, especially the insane ones about Obama’s vacation and his ability to pay his own credit card bills. Those posts came close to setting me over the edge but I went to the gym instead:cool:

Good man!! I've tried several times to give it up for Lent, but am always sucked back in with apparently no regard for inane, insane, absurd, anger-inducing content. Just shows you're a better man than I. Hang in with the exercise. It's a good steam letter offer. :w00t:

Oh patty, aren't you the one who thinks capitalism is wonderful and perfect and the trickle down theory is just what it's cracked up to be? You champion the big money people because you think it will eventually be passed along to the po' folks? Spending money is what will help get us back on track. The moneyed folks need to be an example, is that what you're saying? Well, that's what they're doing. I seem to remember that you went on a vacation.

I went on a vacation that I paid for. We went camping at a local lake. That's what we could afford. MY tax money pays for his vacations. I wouldn't care if he went on a vacation, all presidents deserve a vacation. Just not soooo many on my dollar in a recession that he is adding debt to.

Here's a personal account of how the insurance industry works and how IT gets between you, your doctor and your health care:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/27/opinion/27kristof.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=health%20care%20fit%20for%20animals&st=cse

I checked out your link....and after reading it, I ask...then why not make some laws to govern ins. companies and the crap that they do? We are not against ins. reform. We are against the Government becoming a health insurance company. Don't you get it? Opponents to the Obamacare are not against reform. We want Ins. company laws and regulations, and we want tort reform, etc. It's the government run medical insurance that we don't want. There aren't many programs that the government has set up that are flourishing and benefiting us without going into bankruptcy, debt, or causing further tax increases. We don't need another trillion dollars and up in bills that we can't ever pay. Why throw out what's working? Instead improve on it. We have great care here. We don't want the government starting up yet another program that will ultimately fail, and will bankrupt us.

Read my lips... go spend money! Yay President Obama for stimulating the economy! That's the best example you could set for Americans. Americans out of your frightened little shells, quitcher bellyachin' and get out and have some fun.

What do you think that the plan entails, patty? The government just picking up the tab for eveyrone's medical care? Au contrare, mi amigo. Don't drink anymore of the kool-aide - it's getting to your brain.

I checked out your link....and after reading it, I ask...then why not make some laws to govern ins. companies and the crap that they do? We are not against ins. reform. We are against the Government becoming a health insurance company. Don't you get it? Opponents to the Obamacare are not against reform. We want Ins. company laws and regulations, and we want tort reform, etc. It's the government run medical insurance that we don't want. There aren't many programs that the government has set up that are flourishing and benefiting us without going into bankruptcy, debt, or causing further tax increases. We don't need another trillion dollars and up in bills that we can't ever pay. Why throw out what's working? Instead improve on it. We have great care here. We don't want the government starting up yet another program that will ultimately fail, and will bankrupt us.

Yes, I get it. Those who oppose healthcare reform don't want any reform and that includes insurance reform. How do you think the insurance companies got so powerful? By their incredible lobbying power and huge contributions to (mainly) the republicans. It's not that they don't want government run health care - because if they didn't - they would oppose medicare, medicaid and veteran's care. But so far, I haven't seen any of the opponents have the balls to say they want to do away with grandma's medicare. And most of medicaid pays for grandma in nursing homes. Shall we throw her out in the street?

The reason the opponents don't want government run healthcare - available to all - is that it would compete against the greedy (see my link) insurance companies who might just have to be less profit motivated and fairer to patients. So - now read this slowly : A GOVERNMENT HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION WOULD BE REFORM FOR THE CORRUPT INSURANCE INDUSTRY AND REIN IN SOME OF THE "CRAP" THEY DO.

The government is "we the people" and we have elected representatives. We don't have any such people representing us in the private health insurance industry. We elect people to represent our interests and the people of this country spoke loudly that they wanted change: out of Iraq, healthcare for all, better education, cleaner and renewable energy,& reducing our dependence on oil, among other things.

I will trust a government run health plan before I trust the greed of the private insurance industry. Profits before people is their motto, and it shows.

Amen Sista. And I wrote the President telling him that he needs to quit goofing around trying to please everybody on this issue - as well as the ones you mentioned. We need to get the heck out of Afghanistan and Iraq. better public schools, environmental concerns and less dependence on foreign oil (and that does not mean, drill, baby, drill.)

We're the only industrialized nation on the earth that does not see the wisdom in a healthcare system for all our people. Life and death should not be a for-profit option in the U.S. That's what people are talking about when they just want to rein in the insurance companies and enact tort reform. Neither of those things should have any control the medical care people in the U.S. can rely on for good preventative health care and the best medical treatments in the world.

Read my lips... go spend money! Yay President Obama for stimulating the economy! That's the best example you could set for Americans. Americans out of your frightened little shells, quitcher bellyachin' and get out and have some fun.

Spending money may stimulate the economy, but there are severe and dire consequences to doing that when it is the government whose doing it instead of the people. Such as National Bankruptcy and future generational debt. When your household finances are out of control, do you go on a shopping spree? No, you fire the maid and get rid of the cable. You cut your expenses. This is what the government needs to do. Get rid of many government jobs. Start slashing. If they did this, then the American people could have a paycut from all the taxes they had to pay to finance all these government jobs, and then they would be FREE to spend some money and thus stimulate the economy. (without debt) The problem is that the government keeps growing bigger and bigger and the people are not able to support it. Making more government jobs is killing us financially.

Edited August 29, 200917 yr by pattygreen