I'm not one to judge others without knowing them/all the facts, but this one burned me!!! I watched the announcements of the Octuplets being born, and thought; well it must have happened due to follicle stimulation because no Dr. would do invitro with 8 or more embryos. Yesterday I watched as the experts gave their opinions with the same conclusion I came to. There was no way any of them would have done invitro with that many eggs and they would turn someone away who wanted that, so they also felt it must have been egg stimulation that caused this.

Now this morning I learn that the mother, who is currently living at home with her mother, already has six children (we know nothing about the father)!!!! And here's the kicker...it WAS invitro!!!! Holy Cow!!! I get that there are crazy people out there, so I'm writing the mom off as nuts, but what the heck happened to regulating and having rules about ethics for this for the Drs.??!! What's next...cloning? Know that I have family members and friends that have been helped by fertility specialists, so I know the benefit in using one, but this guy crossed the line. Just MO.

Nadya Suleman to stay celibate: Octuplets mom "I haven't had sex for eight years" - Bild.de

Nadya Suleman says she hasn’t had sex for EIGHT years – despite the fact the octuplets mom has 14 kids under the age of seven!

Who cares what the medical community says? Who are they anyway? The medical community aborts children, so I don't always take what drs. have to say as law. They may be 'considered' premature, but that's not what they are any longer. Babies that are born early are premature till they reach the 5 lbs. that is acceptable for them to leave the hosptal, which is what a full term baby is when they are born. (I will not doubt that some premies can have some problems in development later, but so do some full term babies)

Good grief woman, what planet do you live one? Again you espouse the most silly comments on this thread.

Nadya Suleman to stay celibate: Octuplets mom "I haven't had sex for eight years" - Bild.de

How would she find time or even privacy to have sex?

Pattygreen's comments concerning doctors reminds me of an old joke: what are the differences between God and a doctor? God doesn't think that he is a doctor.

But upon reading her posted responses to just about everything I am inclined to rephrase that old joke as follows: what is the difference between Pattygreen and God? God doesn't think that he is Pattygreen, eh.

Pattygreen, you simply won't or are unable to get it - why your behaviour brings disgust and frustration and despair amongst your co-religionists, and an utter lack of desire to join up with your religion from atheists such as myself. Shame on you, grrl!

Edited February 17, 200917 yr by green
written in haste, edited at leisure!

Pattygreen, you simply won't or are unable to get it - why your behaviour brings disgust and frustration and despair amongst your co-religionists, and an utter lack of desire to join up with your religion from atheists such as myself. Shame on you, grrl!

You're not related to Pattygreen are ya green? (heh)

To your point, I've often wondered about people who are either so over the top in all their religious authority they drive people away from religion, those tele-evangelists who get caught cheating people out of their money, or so on and so on. I would love to know when it's time to face God, if there's some kind of line up of all the people they've driven away from Him with their words and/or actions, and if they're held accountable for those souls. I also don't hold a narrow view of who is and is not going to go to Heaven, nor am I able to point out who will and will not make the cut. It saddens me when people use religion in this way.

Edited February 17, 200917 yr by kiz

The preemie thing has been beaten to death (as has the abortion topic) but I gotta add that our identical twin preemie grandsons' excellent doctors explained the reasons why preemies are considered preemies even after the 5 pound mark (which as someone pointed out is an antiquated consideration for discharge from the hospital.) There are a number of problems that they can develop years after they are born. And that's why doctors and nurses in the NICU spend so much time educating new parents of preemies. They have to watch for signs of trouble long after they're taken home.

And Beth, consider the source and blow it off.

green, the octopussy's mental health is seriously in question because we all know it's insane to not have sex and still wind up the mother of 14 children.

And Beth, consider the source and blow it off.

Yeah, I know. But like heartfire said, it's like watching a train wreck. You almost can't NOT watch. :thumbup:

I love lamp.

You're not related to Pattygreen are ya green? (heh)

To your point, I've often wondered about people who are either so over the top in all their religious authority they drive people away from religion, those tele-evangelists who get caught cheating people out of their money, or so on and so on. I would love to know when it's time to face God, if there's some kind of line up of all the people they've driven away from Him with their words and/or actions, and if they're held accountable for those souls. I also don't hold a narrow view of who is and is not going to go to Heaven, nor am I able to point out who will and will not make the cut. It saddens me when people use religion in this way.

LOL Nope, my family's name is Green but my father was Jewish; he was a Holocaust survivor who found it difficult to believe in God after seeing what was allowed in His universe. My mother was Scottish (and French) and I was baptised Episcopalian and sent away to a boarding school run by Episcopalians. Religious belief didn't really take once I heard that there would be no animals in Heaven. I did go through a briefly devout period and drove my parents nuts worrying about my father's eternal fate after his death. They lied and told me that he was baptised just to shut me up and this worked just because my understanding of theology was kinda shaky at the time. I was only 11.

When folks like me watch the Benny Hinns of this world, corrupt scamsters who are just into it for the money of this world, we cannot be but alienated from the belief. It really does seem like studying this miracle book - The Bible - and praying has not done those folks a helluva lot of good, does it?

You do raise a good and very amusing point in your post: what if God does exist and He is gonna punish each and everyone of you who has been personally responsible for driving someone away from His religion? Pattygreen had better change her name to brown as in toast.

green, you is in rare form today! Top of your game, sounds like to me! *toast* hee, hee, hee.

HEY!!! I'm part of the medical community!!

Gosh Carrie, I hope God don't smite you down for it.

Thanks for sharing your story, green. It's very interesting to read about how others came to form their beliefs.

LOL...@ your toast comment.

Carrie, I'll try not to hold your occupation against you.

HEY!!! I'm part of the medical community!!

Hey, my bro is a doc and my cousin's wife is a nurse and I adore the pair of them.

green, you is in rare form today! Top of your game, sounds like to me! *toast* hee, hee, hee.

Why, thanks for the compliments, grrlfiend. I have just come back from the physio where I had a work out on my back, took some fun painkillerz, too. Yippee!!!