I'm not one to judge others without knowing them/all the facts, but this one burned me!!! I watched the announcements of the Octuplets being born, and thought; well it must have happened due to follicle stimulation because no Dr. would do invitro with 8 or more embryos. Yesterday I watched as the experts gave their opinions with the same conclusion I came to. There was no way any of them would have done invitro with that many eggs and they would turn someone away who wanted that, so they also felt it must have been egg stimulation that caused this.

Now this morning I learn that the mother, who is currently living at home with her mother, already has six children (we know nothing about the father)!!!! And here's the kicker...it WAS invitro!!!! Holy Cow!!! I get that there are crazy people out there, so I'm writing the mom off as nuts, but what the heck happened to regulating and having rules about ethics for this for the Drs.??!! What's next...cloning? Know that I have family members and friends that have been helped by fertility specialists, so I know the benefit in using one, but this guy crossed the line. Just MO.

Speaking of sick....I am dealing with a wicked head cold and cough right now and can barely handle my two very well behaved kids. I hope octopussy never gets sicks because taking care of 14 while ill will be some what challenging :rose:

Speaking of sick....I am dealing with a wicked head cold and cough right now and can barely handle my two very well behaved kids. :rose:

I'm in the same boat, I think I'm working on pneumonia or bronchitis. I have a fever, I'm dizzy, and I can barely move. My kids who are living at home are 12, 14, and 16, and you would think they really wouldn't need much, but they do! (My oldest two are 26 and 19...and don't live at home anymore). :tongue2:

It's rare to get any rest when you have kids, and they seem to become more needy when I am sick. I still love them to death, but know that I couldn't handle 14 kids!

This isn't true. My grandson was born at just 2 lbs. and he is thriving as a three yr. old now. He left the hosp. at just 5 lbs. or so, and he was just like any other baby you take home because they don't let you take them home till they are well enough. (like a full term baby)

Actually Patty, you ARE wrong. The Medical Community considers babies born prematurely to always be premature. They may be doing great and thriving, as is my 9 yr old nephew, but they are always considered premature MEDICALLY.

This isn't true. My grandson was born at just 2 lbs. and he is thriving as a three yr. old now. He left the hosp. at just 5 lbs. or so, and he was just like any other baby you take home because they don't let you take them home till they are well enough. (like a full term baby)

Patty greene when you comment "This is not True" to what carrie_c posted you are inferring she is a liar. I would choose my words more wisely when posting. This was an experience of carrie_c friend and to dismiss it as false is just a radical statement, one of many posted by you on this topic.

I have no doubt your grandson is thriving and I am glad he is. But there are many preemies who have issues when they leave the hospital. Yes, a baby born early may leave the hospital as a full term baby, but many, not all, will have medical issues and developmental issues as well.

Preemies that go home from the hospital do have higher instances of SIDS. The link below is a report by the CDC. You do not have to go very far within the report to read about low birth rates and death by SIDS, see page 2 and 3.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr55/nvsr55_14.pdf

patty, it is true. Premature babies will always be that! They can't suddenly become full term!! Like TQUAD said, there is always a possiblity of something going wrong. A lot of premature babies do delvelop just fine. But these babies are also multiples, which means they have an even higher chance of something being wrong. Don't get me wrong, I hope all 8 of them are just fine. I think octomom is in denial though that something could go wrong. When Ann Curry told her there was a possiblity of cerebal palsy, she didn't seem to believe her.

Actually Patty, you ARE wrong. The Medical Community considers babies born prematurely to always be premature. They may be doing great and thriving, as is my 9 yr old nephew, but they are always considered premature MEDICALLY.

Who cares what the medical community says? Who are they anyway? The medical community aborts children, so I don't always take what drs. have to say as law. They may be 'considered' premature, but that's not what they are any longer. Babies that are born early are premature till they reach the 5 lbs. that is acceptable for them to leave the hosptal, which is what a full term baby is when they are born. (I will not doubt that some premies can have some problems in development later, but so do some full term babies)

Who cares what the medical community says? Who are they anyway? The medical community aborts children, so I don't always take what drs. have to say as law. They may be 'considered' premature, but that's not what they are any longer. Babies that are born early are premature till they reach the 5 lbs. that is acceptable for them to leave the hosptal, which is what a full term baby is when they are born. (I will not doubt that some premies can have some problems in development later, but so do some full term babies)

Oh good lord... :rose::tongue2:

Who cares what the medical community says? Who are they anyway? The medical community aborts children, so I don't always take what drs. have to say as law. They may be 'considered' premature, but that's not what they are any longer. Babies that are born early are premature till they reach the 5 lbs. that is acceptable for them to leave the hosptal, which is what a full term baby is when they are born. (I will not doubt that some premies can have some problems in development later, but so do some full term babies)

Who are they? They are the ones with the education that have taken the time to learn what all prematurity does to children. I am not making premature infants out to be lesser, as I say my own granddaughter was a preemie, and according to her pediatrician, she will always be at a higher risk of certain diseases, as well as SIDS, and respiratory infections, due to the underdeveloped lungs that most preemies are born with.

Whether or not a medical specialist does abortions has absolutely ZERO to do with the prematurity issue, it is simply your way to introduce yet another religious issue into the thread, we are used to it.

We were told that where they used to require a baby to be 5 pounds to leave the hospital, they no longer work on that premise. The baby has to show that it can regulate it's own body temperature, and oxygenate as needed, although some are allowed to go home on oxygen. And that is for ALL babies, not just preemies. Our granddaughter was home at 4 pounds 4 ounces, she never required any oxygen, and was home in 3 days---because she warmed up, and stayed that way, not requiring any heat lamp beds....Her temperature regulated normally. She had suffered from intrauterine growth restriction for minimally 2 weeks, so they figured she had developed strength during that time despite the size.

On the other hand one of my best friends had a grandson recently who was born full term, and weighed in over 7 pounds, but was kept for 6 days because he could not keep his body temp up, and actually went home on oxygen for 2 weeks.

I for one, with my preemie granddaughter, and a grandson born at a mere 5 pounds, and incredibly grateful for the knowledge of the professionals in the medical community.

I cannot imagine the ups and downs in the future of these 8 babies! The risks for infants this small is huge.

Shalee--I am so glad your DD's are well. We were told girls do much better at those weights than boys---they have a higher survival rate.

Kat

Love how you can so elegantly answer Kat, I was just about to put in something not so nice in response to bringing abortion into a discussion so randomly like that...

I love my Violet, Oh yes I dooooo...

Try for it.

Hey, can you thpeak with a lithp? Might get more cha-ching. :tongue2:

I resthent your mockery, madam!

Another Octuplet Mom in LA?

California, send the bills to the Dr. Michael Kamrava!

No big deal, she was sent to a county hospital....hey wait...I work in the equivalent of a county hospital!! I'm sure there will be no repercussions for the poor hospital that has to eat this bill....

Did anybody see these pictures? :rose:

Usmagazine.com | News - Octo Mom's Fertility Doctor Implanted 49-Year-Old With Seven Embryos

What's the big deal? That's how I look when I take my shirt off....except my lips are smaller.

Who cares what the medical community says? Who are they anyway? The medical community aborts children, so I don't always take what drs. have to say as law. They may be 'considered' premature, but that's not what they are any longer. Babies that are born early are premature till they reach the 5 lbs. that is acceptable for them to leave the hosptal, which is what a full term baby is when they are born. (I will not doubt that some premies can have some problems in development later, but so do some full term babies)

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Hahahaha!! You make my day, Plain! :rose:

Who are they? They are the ones with the education that have taken the time to learn what all prematurity does to children. I am not making premature infants out to be lesser, as I say my own granddaughter was a preemie, and according to her pediatrician, she will always be at a higher risk of certain diseases, as well as SIDS, and respiratory infections, due to the underdeveloped lungs that most preemies are born with.

Whether or not a medical specialist does abortions has absolutely ZERO to do with the prematurity issue, it is simply your way to introduce yet another religious issue into the thread, we are used to it.

I was not 'introducing' religion into the topic! I was pointing out that the medical community, as you call it, are mere humans and their terms for things don't always make sense. ( One example I can think of is why they call an ear infection and infection, and then tell you they are not 'catchy', since that's what the word infection means. (infectious). 'Calling' a premie a premie all it's life is stupid. My grandson was a premie when he was born, he no longer is one now. Premature is a name for BEFORE the normal birth time. Whether a child grows (matures) in the womb, or out of the womb, it will reach a healthy weight and become strong enough to not be in the hospital any longer.

We were told that where they used to require a baby to be 5 pounds to leave the hospital, they no longer work on that premise. The baby has to show that it can regulate it's own body temperature, and oxygenate as needed, although some are allowed to go home on oxygen. And that is for ALL babies, not just preemies. Our granddaughter was home at 4 pounds 4 ounces, she never required any oxygen, and was home in 3 days---because she warmed up, and stayed that way, not requiring any heat lamp beds....Her temperature regulated normally. She had suffered from intrauterine growth restriction for minimally 2 weeks, so they figured she had developed strength during that time despite the size.

On the other hand one of my best friends had a grandson recently who was born full term, and weighed in over 7 pounds, but was kept for 6 days because he could not keep his body temp up, and actually went home on oxygen for 2 weeks.

I for one, with my preemie granddaughter, and a grandson born at a mere 5 pounds, and incredibly grateful for the knowledge of the professionals in the medical community.

I never said I wasn't grateful to doctors. just that they aren't all perfect. Without the drs. at Yale, my grandson may not have survived.

I cannot imagine the ups and downs in the future of these 8 babies! The risks for infants this small is huge.

Shalee--I am so glad your DD's are well. We were told girls do much better at those weights than boys---they have a higher survival rate.

Kat

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Who cares what the medical community says? Who are they anyway? The medical community aborts children, so I don't always take what drs. have to say as law. They may be 'considered' premature, but that's not what they are any longer. Babies that are born early are premature till they reach the 5 lbs. that is acceptable for them to leave the hosptal, which is what a full term baby is when they are born. (I will not doubt that some premies can have some problems in development later, but so do some full term babies)

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This is probably the funniest post I have ever seen. What to do those damn doctors know! Idiots.... :tongue2:

The medical community gave us all Lap-bands.

Such dumbasses.

The medical community gave us all Lap-bands.

Such dumbasses.

ROTFLMAO!!! Totally missed that fact! :tongue2:

The medical community also births our babies, gives us transplants, heals broken bones, finds cures for illnesses, treats cancer, can make some deaf people hear with implants, gives us new limbs when our old ones are gone... I could go on and on.

Guess Patty has never EVER gone to a dumbass doctor. For ANYthing. LOL