I have had kidney stones prior to wls I am wondering.if anyone has issues with them post op?

If so did you get them before surgery, have they gotten worse?

I am certainly hoping not I know after surgery I will be much more concious of the water intake I am getting.

But it scares me those little suckers were the worst.

19 hours ago, dreamingofasleeve said:

I have had kidney stones prior to wls I am wondering.if anyone has issues with them post op?

If so did you get them before surgery, have they gotten worse?

I am certainly hoping not I know after surgery I will be much more concious of the Water intake I am getting.

But it scares me those little suckers were the worst.

I have the same problem as you. My wife had the bypass and that’s what I was going to get. My kidney doctor recommended that I get the sleeve as the bypass would put me at a higher risk of stones. I am 5 months out and no signs of them. Here’s the thing though…As the weight is coming off my calcium level is going down. Not normal and might never be but it was low enough to stop the meds for it

I have the same problem as you. My wife had the bypass and that’s what I was going to get. My kidney doctor recommended that I get the sleeve as the bypass would put me at a higher risk of stones. I am 5 months out and no signs of them. Here’s the thing though…As the weight is coming off my Calcium level is going down. Not normal and might never be but it was low enough to stop the meds for it

Ah I see I have only had 2 and never had the chance to get them tested to see what they were made of. I know that is a key in stones so you can figure out what excess minerals are there.

We're your stones Calcium? Is that what you mean by the levels going down?

So were you on medication to help prevent kidney stones?

I am glad to hear you haven't had issues. Stones are the worst! I seemed to get mine around the time that I was following a keto diet. So that could have been the cause.

28 minutes ago, dreamingofasleeve said:

Ah I see I have only had 2 and never had the chance to get them tested to see what they were made of. I know that is a key in stones so you can figure out what excess minerals are there.
We're your stones Calcium? Is that what you mean by the levels going down?
So were you on medication to help prevent kidney stones?

I have had them on and off sense I was in my 20’s. I have an elevated level of calcium in both my blood and urine. I had all the tests and nothing medical going on, just one of those **** happens kind of things. I was taking something but I could not tell you what it was. After my surgery, we retested and I was almost normal.

BTW

When I got my list of vitamins to take…The calcium supplement was X’ed out in red

I have had them on and off sense I was in my 20’s. I have an elevated level of Calcium in both my blood and urine. I had all the tests and nothing medical going on, just one of those **** happens kind of things. I was taking something but I could not tell you what it was. After my surgery, we retested and I was almost normal.
BTW
When I got my list of Vitamins to take…The calcium supplement was X’ed out in red

Awesome I hope that this will help then! That's great they are not fun at all I have had some people tell me that they were worse than the surgery! I will probably have my blood and urine tested to see. It's been about a year since my last one and I don't want another!

You guys really need to double check with your doctors about this calcium thing.

Most people get calcium oxalate stones....and it's easy to think....if I have too much calcium, I'll get stones! Must not take too much calcium!

Except, typically...this is a VERY bad idea....because dietary calcium BINDS with dietary oxalate so it can be safety passed and NOT turn into stones. Stopping calcium might actually INCREASE your risk of stones if you eat oxalate rich foods.

I know this all sounds bizarre......but please check with your doctor to be sure you're following the best protocol for you and your specific situation.

To avoid stones.....Drink lots of water. Avoid salt. Limit animal protein.

Study a list of oxalate rich foods and eat them sparingly.

You guys really need to double check with your doctors about this Calcium thing.
Most people get calcium oxalate stones....and it's easy to think....if I have too much calcium, I'll get stones! Must not take too much calcium!
Except, typically...this is a VERY bad idea....because dietary calcium BINDS with dietary oxalate so it can be safety passed and NOT turn into stones. Stopping calcium might actually INCREASE your risk of stones if you eat oxalate rich foods.
I know this all sounds bizarre......but please check with your doctor to be sure you're following the best protocol for you and your specific situation.
To avoid stones.....Drink lots of Water. Avoid salt. Limit animal Protein.
Study a list of oxalate rich foods and eat them sparingly.

I'm still pre op and didn't ever have mine tested but yes I am going to talk to my doctor and see what they suggest.

Gosh I wish I had my kidney text book but sometimes the shape of them is indicative of what variety they were. Ask your urologist or nephrologist but I think 1 is pointy and they call those staghorn, some are rounder and usually they can tell by color as well as laboratory dissection. Now where oh where is that blasted book??

I was able to catch one of mine it was Brown in color with little yellow crystals on it. Meanest little thing ever this was by far the worst one I have passed. They took it but didn't test it [emoji25]☹️

50 minutes ago, Creekimp13 said:

You guys really need to double check with your doctors about this Calcium thing.

Most people get calcium oxalate stones....and it's easy to think....if I have too much calcium, I'll get stones! Must not take too much calcium!

Except, typically...this is a VERY bad idea....because dietary calcium BINDS with dietary oxalate so it can be safety passed and NOT turn into stones. Stopping calcium might actually INCREASE your risk of stones if you eat oxalate rich foods.

I know this all sounds bizarre......but please check with your doctor to be sure you're following the best protocol for you and your specific situation.

To avoid stones.....Drink lots of Water. Avoid salt. Limit animal Protein.

Study a list of oxalate rich foods and eat them sparingly.

This is true if you are using a natural source of calcium. If you are taking a supplement you can increase the chances of stones.

Edited April 30, 20188 yr by dreamingofasleeve

I also have dealt with kidney stones prior to surgery. Not very far out from surgery. My urologist told me to only take calcium citrate as the calcium carbonate increases kidney stones. You even have to watch if you take Tums as they are carbonate based.

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If you have high blood calcium PLEASE see an endocrinologist and get your parathyroid hormone checked! That was the cause of my high blood calcium and stones.

I needed parathyroid gland surgery to correct it (NOT related to the thyroid, just nearby). It was left untreated way too long and I needed major surgery instead of minor and wound up with osteopenia from it.

BTW most stones are calcium. The others don’t happen frequently.

2 minutes ago, jess9395 said:

If you have high blood Calcium PLEASE see an endocrinologist and get your parathyroid hormone checked! That was the cause of my high blood calcium and stones.

I needed parathyroid gland surgery to correct it (NOT related to the thyroid, just nearby). It was left untreated way too long and I needed major surgery instead of minor and wound up with osteopenia from it.

i will for sure have mine checked thank you!

i have only ever had 2 stones but if i get another one we are definitely be doing some tests. nasty little things.

10 minutes ago, Faith2002 said:

I also have dealt with kidney stones prior to surgery. Not very far out from surgery. My urologist told me to only take calcium citrate as the Calcium carbonate increases kidney stones. You even have to watch if you take Tums as they are carbonate based.

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good to know i will have to check into this as well.

Its a struggle as the diet that we are supposed to follow post op is what you should avoid with stones

I had my WL surgery on 10/12/17. I just had surgery for kidney stones on 3/30/18. The kidney stone surgery was way worse than the sleeve surgery. I had ureterscopy surgery where they go in an laser the stones thru your urethra. I did pass one stone which was about 5mm and my doctor removed 2 other stones during surgery those were about 9mm each. I had to wear a stent after the surgery and on top of that I had an infection. My doctor wasn’t able to get all the stones because they were inside of my kidneys and she didn’t have access to them.

After all of this I did meet with my dietician for some advice. And she was able to give me some tips.

It’s really hard to manage your diet between the sleeve restrictions and kidney stone restrictions, but I am trying and I’m drinking all the water I can.

This is what my stones were made up of:

40% calcium oxalate monohydrate
30% calcium oxalate dihydrate
20% calcium phosphate
20% ammonium Acid urate

I did have kidney stones before my surgery but never stones this size or this many.

My Urologist told me to drink at least 100 oz of water and stay away from animal protein. Although my dietician says I can have 6 oz or less a day of animal protein. So I guess I’ll see how it goes. I take another x-ray in June to see if I have any additional stones.