I have long felt that Western medicine simply refuses to learn about food. My surgeons instructions to eat a lot of meat and then only eat vegetables, then fruits, "if there's room," had me feeling sickly within weeks.

I did tell my body was in desperate need of nutrients. Specifically, minimally and unprocessed foods that grow naturally and are not genetically modified. Foods that still had micro nutrients, foods that still had the sunshine living in them.

I started to follow my instincts, and I'm still learning how to listen to my body. I think a lot of our problems come from placing it's already outside of ourselves, on the "other. "

I am eating a lot of cheese, nuts, fruits and vegetables, and have cut back on eating dead animal flesh. Overall, I feel healthier. I'm Losing weight, but I also feel like I'm eating more, but everything I eat has general genuine nutritional value.

I didn't get fat eating fruits and nuts. I got fat eating cakes and Cookies. Eating candy and yodels. I got fat stuff and down my feelings with food like products that were poisonous to my body, and I feel so much better about the way I'm treating my body now-How i'm eating now.

But I don't see much support in forums for anything except high-Protein, very low-carb eating styles, which do not align with what I know about overall wellness and health for the long term. What I see is people reporting other health problems within the first year after surgery, that probably come from this radical in balance and shunning of real food and nutrition, in exchange for creating a chemical environment in which that burns fast, but at the expense of overall well-being. Kidney and gallbladder stones for instance, seem to be very common.

I guess I just wanted to express this, in the hopes that others are also finding what's right for their specific bodies. If you are blazing your own trail i'd love to hear about how you eat and why, and how it is working for you post surgery. I am especially interested in hearing from people who are familiar with this thing called the Mediterranean diet, which seems to be what my body wants.

I think you kindly for your eyes, for your time, and for your comments.

Whether it is "dead animal flesh" or "screaming dying plants" we are here because we all do not know how to eat either of them. I am happy to read all the different points of view and hope to try and balance what works best for me. Some of these posts are hilarious.

This calls for a joke to lighten the mood:

How do you know someone is vegan?

Don't worry, they'll f*cking tell you.

I've heard the same thing about marathoners ????

I was a vegan for about 2 years and vegetarian for a year after that, all leading up to my WLS. (Btw-- I am not a moral veg-eater. I used to eat meat, then got sick, and couldn't eat it anymore.)

In getting my sleeve done, my nutritionist and I devised a plan on how I'd be able to get my Protein in / keep the carbs low. I stuck vegetarian. I get my protein from Protein shakes , meatless ground beef (I swear this actually tastes pretty good), Beans, eggs, cheese and Greek yogurt (which I had to build up a tolerance to). I'm getting about 70-80g of protein in daily right now. My nutritionist also has me taking B12 and Vitamin D every other day (so I'm not missing nutrients with my intake).

Oddly enough I was willing to attempt red meat / whatever to get my protein in, because I want to be very successful post-op, but when I tried it still made me really sick. ????

Edited February 11, 201610 yr by Afrikanaaa

This calls for a joke to lighten the mood:

How do you know someone is vegan?

Don't worry, they'll f*cking tell you.

Bamsucka !!!!!!!

Fist bumping ya on that one.

This calls for a joke to lighten the mood:

How do you know someone is vegan?

Don't worry, they'll f*cking tell you.

I've heard the same thing about marathoners

Crossfitters.

FTFA! You're welcome.

What is your blood type? The things your body is telling you that you need may very well be true for you. Some need animal protein while others simply don't. I do agree and think the plans should be more individualized and based on blood type, knowledge of food, and desired life style.

What is your blood type? The things your body is telling you that you need may very well be true for you. Some need animal Protein while others simply don't. I do agree and think the plans should be more individualized and based on blood type, knowledge of food, and desired life style.

The blood type thing is a theory. It's very interesting and certainly worth a try to see if it works for an individual (and I'm glad it works for you!). But as of now there isn't enough empirical evidence to make it a fact.

I do completely agree that individuals should work with a nutritionist or dietician or doctor (in person, online, through research on their own in books or whatever) to find an individualized plan that works for all their needs, desires and aspects of their lifestyle.

This calls for a joke to lighten the mood:

How do you know someone is vegan?

Don't worry, they'll f*cking tell you.

I've heard the same thing about marathoners

Crossfitters.

FTFA! You're welcome.

Yeah, lol.

There's one that says:

If you meet a vegan who does Crossfit, which one will they talk about first?

Friends, thanks for all the feedback. It wasn't my intent to spark a heated debate. For the record, I'm not a vegetarian. I went Veg a few years back and at times felt I would collapse and was always a big meat eater but my surgery changed the game, obviously. I still eat meat but much less of it. Not several times a day most days, but only when I crave it. Mostly I have been craving nuts, fruits, and raw chocolate and coconut oil based foods. I supplement with non-gmo Collegen protein. I just hear the bariatric gospel of high protein, low carbs so much that I started to worry, but I did Atkins 20 years ago and I don't think it's healthy and that is basically what many surgeons' offices advocate.

Whether it is "dead animal flesh" or "screaming dying plants" we are here because we all do not know how to eat either of them. I am happy to read all the different points of view and hope to try and balance what works best for me. Some of these posts are hilarious.

Those lousy vegetables. I let those "screaming, dying plants" die in agony. I'll boil the "baby" carrots right in front of the full size carrots, slowly peel away the skin on onions and pluck the "eyes" out of the potatoes.

Whether it is "dead animal flesh" or "screaming dying plants" we are here because we all do not know how to eat either of them. I am happy to read all the different points of view and hope to try and balance what works best for me. Some of these posts are hilarious.

Those lousy vegetables. I let those "screaming, dying plants" die in agony. I'll boil the "baby" carrots right in front of the full size carrots, slowly peel away the skin on onions and pluck the "eyes" out of the potatoes.

And now I'm SCREAMING, too! But with laughter. You're a funny dude, @@4MRB4PHOTO !

@@JupiterinVirgo ... glad you hopped back on here. You started a good thread.

What works for me is good food of all kinds. I'm an omnivore. Love my animal Protein, my plant protein, and all other veggies, fruits and grains. And wine. And chocolate. And slow cooking.

I just eat a lot less of it all than I used to eat.

Semi-seriously, what's currently supporting my new, slim waistline and my love of food is clean cooking and slow cooking and using the freshest, most in-season, highest quality ingredients I can find.

Speaking of Mediterranean diets, tonight we're having whole wheat Pasta and spaghetti sauce made with Italian sweet basil sausage, with Romaine hearts and bleu cheese dressing, with garlic bread (for hubby), and red wine (for me).

That's what maintenance at our house smells like, folks.

I would also suggest Dr. Weiner's videos. This one especially caught my attention and makes sense to me. Listen to your body and instincts, definitely.

Edit: apparently I can't paste URLs, but check out Dr. Matthew Weiner on YouTube. He has one called "Weight Loss Surgery Patients, Eat your veggies first!!"

See if that makes sense to you.

Edited February 12, 201610 yr by Ruth1ess