Okay here is my rant:

I somehow lost my long rant

. Will try again tomorrow.

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LOL!

Too much! lol

Hahaha! Aw... I was so ready to read your rant. Hope you will get it posted today!

I'm 6 days out and I have had hard back stabbing pain in my middle section of my back. My right side. Is this a muscle spasm? It comes and goes. Eating and drinking ok. Urination ok. Just can't figure out what it is . Any thoughts?

I'm 6 days out and I have had hard back stabbing pain in my middle section of my back. My right side. Is this a muscle spasm? It comes and goes. Eating and drinking ok. Urination ok. Just can't figure out what it is . Any thoughts?

you probably want to post this in the correct forum.. like post op questions. you posted this as a reply to a post in the rants and raves section.

but i would advise you to call your doctors office today.

Lmaoooo, good one!

Now that was the best research I have ever read!!! It should all be as easy as that, nothing to report

Lol!!!

You all crack me up!

Here is the rant I tried to post last night:

Please people, read the research papers that abound on this crazy thing called the internet about WLS. You know the vitriolic, name calling arguments that ya'll have been having over carbs, band vs vsg, vsg vs RnY? There are recent and good scientific studies about the pluses and minuses. (Good, meaning not funded by a medical company and peer reviewed, etc) And those questions and statements that vsg is mostly restrictive (it's not, actually)? A couple of new studies have shown it's mostly metabolic...

I could go on and on with examples but you get the idea. Why do I care, you ask? Here's why:

When one understands fully how and why each procedure works, you can make proper choices.

If you understand that vsg is mostly metabolic and you basically get a reset then you can make choices to keep that reset. If you read that new studies show the size of sleeve (ie 34 to 40 ish) makes no difference in weight loss but does in reflux...you can have a serious conversation with your doc. How much supplementation do you .really. need if you have had RnY? It's in a study...

It's your body and health. Don't count on a surgeon you see occasionally (or nut. Or strangers on the internet) to know it all. Know it all for yourself.

There is a lot of research happening with WLS these days because the results are phenomenal. Drug companies and institutions are performing basic research because they are looking for new drugs to produce. That's good news for us!

One last note: some of the studies are dense and even with a science background I can't follow the details. However, I can follow the basic argument and conclusions. I can decide if it's a well designed study. So don't let the 20 character long molecule names stop you!

Get reading people!

Rant over.

And now you can proceed to tell me why I'm wrong (isn't that what comes next with strangers on the internet?)

I don't agree with your thoughts that the VSG is metabolic, but I do agree with your thought process that people should learn about each procedure so they can make an educated decision.

A rant worth waiting for....

I don't agree with your thoughts that the VSG is metabolic, but I do agree with your thought process that people should learn about each procedure so they can make an educated decision.

Lots of studies from 2012 and 2014 show it is mostly metabolic. The way to get the

metabolic advantage is to remove most of the stomach...so you can't get one without the other....

The metabolic factor is removal of the fundus which is the primary producer go gherlin which stimulates hunger and appetite. Also since much less food is eaten, there is less food to metabolize...I guess all "diets" are metabolic, lol.

The metabolic factor is removal of the fundus which is the primary producer go gherlin which stimulates hunger and appetite. Also since much less food is eaten, there is less food to metabolize...I guess all "diets" are metabolic, lol.

It is gherlin as well as a bunch of other hormones that affect metabolism. For example, an increase in circulating bile acids actually turns on a gene that tells the body to burn fat. It's amazing. Again, just a little piece of info from a study I read....

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I find it ... un nerving actually that some of the mecanisms of why WLS works isn't 100% known. ha! I do think that the VSG has a metabolic component as things have changed for me...

I am 2.5 years out and my hunger has definately returned but something is very different than it was before. I seem to find that I keep that "different" active by eating a certain way (high protein/ low to moderate carb).

I had the lapband previously and did not have that "change" that I have definately experienced post sleeve.

I do agree with your rant though - read some studies. When I went for my initial sleeve consult they sent me home with a pile of abstracts to read and it was very helpful in developing my "understanding".