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Hi fellow Louisiana. No date for my surgery just starting this journey, my plan have you go through phases and I'm in the phase 1 Keto type diet right now. Good luck to you! I find it interesting you used to play football, I think that will help you with your success because you've been trained to work hard towards a goal. I will look forward to your updates!

Ah I see I have only had 2 and never had the chance to get them tested to see what they were made of. I know that is a key in stones so you can figure out what excess minerals are there. We're your stones Calcium? Is that what you mean by the levels going down? So were you on medication to help prevent kidney stones? I am glad to hear you haven't had issues. Stones are the worst! I seemed to get mine around the time that I was following a keto diet. So that could have been the cause.

I'm hoping to get to 130 too, so we pretty much have the same starting weight and goal weight! I know exactly how you feel. I'm hoping the keto diet works for me too. The sleeve is such a great tool! Especially if you are good at going to the gym (which I'm not LOL)

Yeah I know exactly what you are talking about. I did keto for about 9 ish weeks. I was also going to the gym 6 days a week. Yeah this is why I want surgery I have lost and gained that same 30 pounds back way to many times. That is about where I am at 230 I'm hoping to make it down to at least 150 or lower [emoji4] That's awesome 170 is great I am sure you will continue to loose! Keto was one of the easier diets I had tried honestly.

I'm actually trying the keto diet now. How did it work for you? Did you lose any weight?

I think I've also experienced it pre op. There has been times where I was in keto and I'd cheat and get a cookie and drink from a local place and it always made me feel soooo sick. I didn't eat cookies from there for about 6 months because I felt so crappy. Lots of nausea.

I'm kinda like you AshAsh. I just follow my program. I make most of my food homemade and love veggies, so it's lean protein first, veggies second, and a tiny bit of fat. Most of the time I choose avocado as my fat cuz I love it so much. But I also have a little EVOO and butter. Love ghee! So it just falls naturally to that keto/low carb side. But I'm not one of the modern ketoneers who go eat fat, fat, fat, fat!

I do a mostly Keto diet by happenstance. I like it. I don't buy low fat items, but I stick with lean meats. I really follow the protein first, then veggies. I do have the occasional whole grain and some fruit as a treat. But a lot of the recipes I make are Keto based. It just seems like an easy thing to follow since it falls within the guidelines for eating after surgery.

Yes, only I don't actually call mine keto--although it is--old school keto. I let my fat fall naturally according to what I'm eating. And I'm eating lean proteins and barely any dairy, and low fat dairy at that. I also watch how much fat I add to foods, and eat only small amounts of nuts/seeds/avocado. So I only really get about 30g of fat per day. But since it's low carb, the % of macros are way shifted. Incidentally, at first, after surgery and some while in pre-op liquids, we are all ketogenic by virtue of VLCD (very low calorie diets). You go ketogenic either through an absence of calories or absence of carbs in the diet.

Three and a half years post op and starting Keto after speaking with a friend who was a cardiologist at UPMC(Pittsburgh), and wondering if anyone else has gone this route. Felt really good on it last week, but interested to hear from people who have had Bypass and then gone on this diet. Thank!!

LOVE this! So what did you say when the guy said that in the full room? Were you embarrassed or did you own it? Oh, I "get" anonymity! Ok, we'll let you slide on pics of the body parts ROFLMAO! My sissies and niece who are super supportive keep calling me skinny minny and the incredible shrinking woman. They tell me how proud they are of me. But no one else has commented until yesterday. My PCP came in and apologized for entering the wrong room. He said he didn't recognize me until he looked down at my chart. LOL. That felt good! So I'm loosely letting my whole carbs fall somewhere between 30 and 40g right now. They net out to anywhere from about 20g net to 30g net. I'm not averse to pushing them up to 60g per day total carbs. I don't want to add a lot of sugar into my life even in the form of naturally occurring ones because I feel better without them. I'm definitely still in ketosis. My sugars are generally falling less than 15g total for the day. I don't know the study. Will have to look it up. But my question would be whether the study is a good one. Are they using newly ketogenic peeps? Or are they using people who've been keto adapted for a long time? It can take up to 3-6months of continual keto to become completely keto adapted. And the brain chemistry and body chemistry of those folks is completely different than in other folks specifically because the amounts and types of different ketones circulating. Brains actually run preferentially and "better" on ketones rather than glucose as fuel--or so MANY studies support. A brain is either going to be a sugar burner or a fat burner. If it's a sugar burner, it has the BARE minimum need of about 60g of carbs per day baseline. If it's a completely adapted fat burner, it has theoretically, unlimited supply of the specific ketones it needs to run very precisely. Any sugars needed to maintain the body are adequately provided for by gluconeogenesis that comes from dietary protein (in the presence of adequate protein intake) or in breaking down muscle in the absense of adequate dietary protein. A ketogenic diet is actually a muscle-sparing diet. But, I do believe that we as post ops are suffering silent lows, or even lower than our usual bgs due to small volume of food and small amounts of carbs in general. I am terribly flash irritable. Not grumpy all day. But little things make me flash. That has gotten better this week--extremely so--since I upped my calories to between 700-800. So that's why I'm thinking it's low bgs. My lowest readings have historically been in the late afternoon. And that is when I have the greatest propensity towards hanger. Otherwise, I'm pretty mellow really.

I think most of us had differing experiences. For me, I just started feeling satiated longer. Looking back I probably had too much saline in my band most of the time. Getting stuck and regurgitating food seemed like the norm and now I know it shouldn't be. I've had most of my saline removed but got a fill a couple months ago. I think some of the lessons of eating slower with smaller bites has paid off for me. I'm on a Keto diet now and the combination of Keto and a band partially filled seems to be working for me. Just stay away from processed foods, starches and sugars.

The prob I had was the idea of adding dietary fat to a relatively non-nutritious drink. The concept of fat bombs and bpc is just faddish lunacy from the keto brigade. And I'm a ketoneer. LOL. I just think crap! Don't do any of the bs. You don't need it if your a fatty! I'm a fatty! I sure as hell don't need a fat bomb. Now, if I had 4% body fat and just "couldn't eat enough calories in a day," then maybe I need to think about fat bombs (which is what bpc is). But I see at your level now, no reason why you can't supplement a set amount of protein powder/protein drink to have in decaff coffee. As much as I can eat, I'm maxed with food volume and still can't quite hit 60g minimum protein. So by adding in my 6oz per day of Premier Protein I make my goal and allow a little wiggle room for veggies. I have 1 to 1 1/2oz per 9-12oz of hot decaff up to those 6fl oz.

Ok so everyone has different thoughts of idiotic questions when I hear people talking about hair loss or saggy skin I think that’s idiotic but I stay hushed cause it’s like duh. You could a said hell no to the bullet proof coffee and said yeah to black coffee or give me options for hot drinks. I’ve see protein powder in coffee and stuff like that. Kfc on the way home from bariatric surgery equals Keto coffee. Riiiiiight.

You'r welcomed. While the BP coffee, and the keto movement in general may be debatable, the liquid calories are one of the Cardinal no-no's of WLS, (or at least a big red flag,) no matter how healthy and nutritious that liquid may be. Some surgeons are even really down on the protein shakes because of them being liquid calories, though most are accepting of them for their necessity during the immediate to intermediate post op times to ensure adequate protein intake.

Are you morbidly obese? If that sounds like a smart ass question, it is. We are MO. Period. End of story. I can NOT think of ONE scenario where our fat bodies actually NEED an influx of the amount of exogenous dietary fat from relatively nutritionless liquids. We get almost all the fat we need from the fat liberation that is hopefully going on inside our bodies! ALL post surgery patients in the initial weight loss phases are by-proxy on VLCDs (very low calorie diets). Why would you want to sabotage those few calories you CAN have on BS liquids like bulletproof fat laced, fat bomb coffee? And btw? I'm a low carb keto proponent, but I think the latest evolution of fat obsessed ketoneers is totally loony bins crazy! We are not epileptics. And if we're MO, there is no way you need a diet 80-85% fat. I'm not fat phobic. I'm a dietary pragmatist and realist. (BTW, if you are lost in an Antarctica expedition and have 9% body fat, my response to you will be entirely different. Come talk to me then...we will discuss Ericksonn and rabbit starvation.)

You probably can (always check with your doctors on such questions, rather than someone else's) but do you really want to be letting junk food back into your diet so soon? It may be keto, but it is still basically empty calories, and liquid calories tend to be the best way to eat around your WLS. Not good to be getting into such habits so soon.

I'm so sorry to hear this. There is some interesting research linking animal protein and diabetes, with many folks dropping their blood glucose and getting off meds within weeks after eliminating it from their diet. Check out Dr. Neal Barnard, who has some great books and videos about reversing diabetes. Quoting from his website, "...Dr. Barnard’s program [was] three times more effective than the American Diabetes Association dietary guidelines at controlling blood sugar." For what it's worth, several of the popular keto/low-carb bloggers have turned out to have developed high bg and A1C numbers after years of a supposed diabetes-proof diet - particularly Shawn Baker and Jimmy Moore.

5/8 surgery date here. Started my two week pre-op diet today. Smooth sailing on day 1 considering just got back from family vacation in Fla for 10 days. Was doing keto prior to vacation so that’s helped day 1 be smooth. Father of two, husband, [emoji458] Coach, No Shoes Nation member, starting to live life to its fullest!! SW- 387.7 on 2/05/18 CW-359.2 on 4/25/18 GW- 200 SD- 5/08/18 [emoji1360]🤙[emoji3][emoji1320]

Thanks! I'm going to try them ALL. [emoji6] I have no idea what "keto" means, so I'm probably not it. 🤣

All we can do is pay our money, take our chances, and trust the sources that seem most reputable to us. Our ancestors, the great apes, are not meat eaters. They're fruit, plant fat, and vegetation eaters. Once in a while...they eat eggs, insects, an occasional meat meal (less than 3% of their diet) But mostly, they eat fruit, nuts, seeds, and tons of vegetation. And they get a ton of exercise and sleep. (And of course, FIRE and cooking marked a huge change in nutrition and gut lengths as early hominids needed less large intestine and more small intestine to get the most nutrition out of pre-broken down foods) Sorry about the anthropology rant. LOL. But I guess it is the rant board. Interestingly, the people on the planet who live the longest....eat the Mediterranean diet...which is nutritionally similar.....lots of plant fats, fruits and veggies, legumes, lower protein. They also get more exercise and sleep than the statistical norm. Diet will be controversial until the end of time. We all have our prejudices. I'm so far up the Mayo Clinic Diet's butt...I can take it's temperature. LOL. We all have our favorites. I know you're a Keto Disciple, Fluff, and I'm not trying to change you. If it works for you, awesome. To each, their own.

I didn't say he died of a heart attack. I said he had a heart attack that damaged his heart. The attack was caused by endocarditis. He died from slipping on ice and had a blood clot. People in comas often suffer edema build up. Their skin weeps. I've seen it and dealt with patients with this problem. It was NOT unusual for them to gain more than >50lbs. No, she didn't want unscrupulous people attacking his life work. There are so many supportive research and so many doctors who continue this work. You know nothing about what you are accusing. You do not have the facts. Dr. Stephen Finney Dr. Jeff Volek Dr. Mike Eades Dr. Eric Westman Dr. Tim Noakes Dr. Dominic D'Agostino Dr. Richard Feinman Dr. William Davis Dr. Perlmutter https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/truth-behind-worlds-most-cutting-edge-fat-burning-performance-meal-plan-keto/ http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285 I could list other sources for the fail of fat causing heart disease, this is just the first one that came up. But there are MANY more! These are all medical physicians who've authored countless papers and studies in peer reviewed journals--respected physicians who all have helped prove that ketogenic diets ARE beneficial when done correctly. The fat/cholesterol hypothesis of heart disease was disproved not too long ago.

I've used 3 since before surgery. I still love and use the same ones after. My tastes never changed. I think cuz I was already very keto adapted and most are not until after surgery. 1. Premier Protein (RTD) Drinks - 11fl oz = 30g protein (Choco, Vanilla, Bananas & Cream) 2. Isopure Powder - 1scoop = 25g protein (Unflavored, Choco, Vanilla, Bananas & Cream) 3. Synthrax Nectar Lemon Iced Tea Powder - 1scoop = 25g protein (Iced Tea)--the Fuzzy Navel is also delish but I'm out of it now. Also the grapefruit is excellent!

I suspect that you are headed toward revision, given your lifelong experience with this, but there are always things that should be tried before going for surgical solution. Given your history, I suspect that you have tried most of the various tricks and treatments for GERD, such as sleeping with head elevated, not eating X hours before bedtime, etc. There are some books out there by MDs who specialize in the problem that may give some more insight. One common thread seems to be that dietary fat may be contributory to the problem, so your keto efforts may be working against you if that is the case (OTH it may have little to do with it and is just a throwback to the days when low fat diets would fix anything, much as low carb diets are today's universal solution.) It may be worth a try to shift your dietary balance for a while and see if it has any effect on you, There are also some foods that supposedly help or hinder the functioning of the lower esophageal sphincter, and likewise some medications that target it, so those are things to explore. Given your history, I assume that shifting meds may have been discussed - transitioning from PPI to H2 inhibitors such as Zantac or Pepcid - they are generally somewhat less effective but generally preferable from the long term use perspective. Given that you are still seeing reflux evidence in the EGD even on the PPI, it is unlikely to make a significant difference as symptomatic relief doesn't necessarily mean that the problem doesn't still exist and is doing damage, but it is something else worth considering. Historical curiousity - back in the dark ages, vagotomies were performed, severing part of the vagus nerve to disable some of the protein pump ports as a chronic reflux treatment; this was obsoleted by the introduction of PPIs, but maybe it's time to reintroduce the "old school". Good luck in working through this.....

I'm 4 years post VSG and also looking at a RNY revision. I had significant GERD all my life. With my surgery I lost about 90 lbs, regained 40. have lost the majority of that using Keto but still, the GERD remains. Surgeon says RNY revision will cure the GERD. I want off of meds, which I've been on for 15 years. I understand the decision to consider a revision. There are many vets who have revisions for various reasons.