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On 12/19/2018 at 12:29 PM, GreenTealael said:

Haven't checked this site in ages but hope everyone's doing well. I'm definitely extremely happy with my decision. I think I may have developed an aversion to food 🤔, but in a good healthyish way.

Hope everyone else is still happy with their results and continuing to grow and progress!

(no idea why that quote is above it wouldn't let me delete it lol)

On 12/27/2018 at 11:00 PM, Oct517 said:

Caffeine is a diuretic so it can dehydrate you if you're not drinking enough Water. But yeah, I haven't heard any docs say no coffee at all post op. My NUT said that drinking coffee will not deter weight loss in anyway but that I should be having an additional 16 oz of Water for every cup of coffee I drink. This is in addition to the 64 oz I am supposed to be drinking without coffee. Lots of water.

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Caffeine is a diuretic so yes caffeine pills would dehydrate you.

But coffee contains water and has a net hydrating gain.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/caffeinated-drinks/faq-20057965

That said I don't think anyone would suggest getting the bulk of your fluids from coffee

20 hours ago, Tina#loserinCO said:

I was told NO caffeine after surgery ever again. Dehydrates you and I a little concerned that getting enough Water in daily will be a challenge for me.

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As far as im aware, this is not a thing...

Your best bet is figure out how much caffeine you're consuming daily and just taper off.

If you're having 500mg a day maybe go down 100mg every 2 to 3 days or something to minimize side effects.

Caffeine withdrawal isn't the worst and is fairly quick, but it is unpleasantness

(and you don't need to drink soda to get your caffeine. coffee, pills, pre-workout supplements are all better sources of caffeine than soda)

25 minutes ago, GreenTealael said:

How's your progress going? 💪

I mean I've been doing fantastic in the gym and definitely look like I'm in better shape. But from my lightest to now I've gained 23 pounds in 90 days, only increasing just under a pants size

I'm loving the progress but I think I might need to start cutting again,

1 hour ago, Kimmie K said:

Sound advice My surgeon (who I've only seen once) has Bariatric Advantage samples and stuff scattered throughout the office. I'm assuming when the time comes, that's what will be pushed upon me. Any thoughts on that brand?

I thought Bariatric Advantage tasted good and mixes well (thats what my surgeon pushed as well).

But it also cost WAY WAY more than any Protein supplement should, and it has a lot of "filler" crap in it (which is why one scoop is 160 calories despite having 27g of protein from whey isolate, and the ingredient list is the size of a small country)

Its not a bad product by any means, but I do think there is far better stuff out there.

On 11/29/2018 at 4:29 PM, bogglesauce said:

I met with my surgeon and he wants me to focus on getting back to 1200 calories a day or less. It turns out I gained a few lbs over the three months since my last weigh in. Time to reign it back in and get back to tracking.

Are you able to be satietied (that's a word right?) on 1200 calories a day?

I'm eating like 3000-3500 a day at this point (which I'll totally admit is an extremely high number, and no none of it is from junk) but I'm also working out like an insane lunatic and trying to add on slabs of muscle.

Honestly since my surgery I feel like I'm hungry and I eat more often than I ever have in my life.

With GERD the sleeve is still an option although it's a it depends kind of situation.

With Barrets I have no idea why your physician wouldn't be basically forcing you to do the bypass. Barretts is no joke and I know the surgeons I work with wouldn't even consider a sleeve on somebody with it

29 minutes ago, Jazzy1125 said:

I do not think Vitamins qualify. you can check your employer roster of what is acceptable. But I believe anything over the counter will need to be a script in order for it to be eligible.

They don't neither do Protein Shakes. However bariatric surgery changes things up quite a bit, as our surgeries were deemed medically necessary, and the whole post op nutrition thing is murked up a bit. So I wonder what things people have had luck with.

Also I was under the impression that everything in an FSAs eligibility (unless you have a limitited or dependent plan) is determined by the federal government, it's only managed by the employer.

My employer has a flexible spending account they offer. Has anyone used one to pay for Vitamins, Calcium, or even Protein Shakes after having bariatric surgery?

If this is an option anyone with an employer offered FSA could probably save several hundred to even a few thousand dollars a year

23 minutes ago, BigViffer said:

I do not understand what you mean by maxing out. Carbs and Protein are both about 4 calories per gram. In my situation, the excess carbs would drive blood sugars too high. Proteins don't give me that problem, so I would lean more towards them for that reason.

Well I'm oversimplifying things. But im basically referring to the maximum amount of Protein my body can efficiently utilize (which supposedly is 80% of body weight) or the amount of carbs that would fully replinish glycogen.

I guess maxing out is a silly madeup term by me to say that.

But my understanding is that if you are trying to get in shape and gain strength/muscle/athetlic performance assuming you are hitting that protein number (80% of weight) that you would benefit substantially by consuming a large amount of carbohydrates instead of protein excess of that amount (80% of weight) . As the carbohydrates will give you energy to perform better and longer while recovering greater and quicker, while excess protein is subject to severely diminished returns.

Of course nutrition is riddled with broscience and bullshit with nuggets of truth so I have no idea how true or exaggerated any of that information really is

40 minutes ago, BigViffer said:

It depends on how much weight lifting you are doing really. If the excess Protein is just wasted calories, then the carbs would be as well. Carbs are just for fuel, protein for synthesis and normal body functions. If you are getting enough of each, then your activity level needs to be adjusted. If you are moving too much for your current intake, ease up a little bit. If your activity level is too low and calories too high, more movement will be necessary.

Maybe look into getting your BMR (basal metabolic rate) tested?

Well my logic was at least with the excess carbs I'd be getting fiber and stored glycogen. Plus it takes a lot more carbs to "max out" than protein. But I agree a waste is a waste

I'm okay with putting on weight as my measurements are stupid (Ie I'm a pants size 30 as a grown man) but I know it would be much more beneficial if I can do it in a slow and controlled fashion

10 minutes ago, GreenTealael said:

Try adding dried or fresh fruit, chia seeds , fats and Fiber (psyllium husk) to the oatmeal.

600 cals is like 1.5 dry cups?

Well the 600 calories is 11 tablespoons of steel cut oats, 2/3rds a cup of Premier Protein and 2 teaspoons of chia seeds. Can eat that up and I'm starving soon after

I definitely can't add more Fiber to my diet, I'm already eating like 60-80g of fiber a day and I'm ready to pop.

Sometimes I'll eat a handful of nuts after so I don't think the added fats will help much

8 minutes ago, BigViffer said:

You have me confused actually, if you are wanting to add lean body mass, carbs aren't the way to do it. Carbs are very important for Protein synthesis, true - but a diet dominated by carbs will not produce muscle mass. You'll need the Protein for that.

oatmeal is my go-to carb personally. Love the stuff. I cannot eat Pasta anymore, it feels like it gets stuck at the top of my stomach even now. Carrots, quinoa, barley, sweet potatoes, real pumpernickel bread, Beans, smoked basmati rice... those are carbs I can think of off the top of my head that I eat on a regular basis. And they don't give me a huge sugar spike that leaves me feeling awful.

Well I'm maxing out my protein daily, so excess is just wasted calories.

120-140 is probably my appropriate upper limit for daily protein (according to most reading I've done) I'm probably getting 160 to 180 most days which is more than 1g/lb of bodyweight.

And I love oats too, which is part of the problem. It just goes right through me and gives me zero satiety. I can eat 600 calories of pure steel cut oatmeal and protein and be starved in 45 minutes.

Sweet potato is probably my second favorite carb, though I haven't eaten them much so I don't know how much of a filler/slider they'll be , was thinking about adding them into the mix substantially again. If it works I'll definitely buy them by the truckload.

I'd probably like to avoid Pasta just because it's boring, and I really don't enjoy it post WLS

I've been drastically increasing my carbohydrates to put on muscle and lean body mass. I've been eating a ton of oatmeal but unfortunately oatmeal is totally a slider for me.

What are some great healthy carbs that you've been eating that keep you full instead of leaving you starving? And I'm not looking for low carb things, I'm trying to get around 250g of carbs a day in.

Thanks!

53 minutes ago, Matt Z said:

Except my blood labs are data supporting the Patches working.
And it's Reebok.

But you get Vitamins and minerals from your diet

I don't know how you can attribute it to the Patches, when there's other variables in your diet.

Presumably you also take sublingual Vitamin b and Calcium supplements?

Now for the sake of simplicity I don't feel like arguing forever, but I think we can both agree the degree of efficacy is unproven. So why spend more money on something that is less proven

45 minutes ago, Matt Z said:

As someone using the Patches, and having my levels tracked closely, and those levels all being within norms... The Patches are working, at least for me. But, blindly saying something doesn't work... is just daft. I understand the clinical trials are still pending results, but, there are PLENTY of folks using them, and having the blood work show they are working just fine.

Do you happen to eat any food or drinks that contain Vitamins and minerals?

I wear Rebock sneakers, my Vitamin b levels are high, clearly my Rebocks are working just fine.

And blindly saying that something that isn't supported by data doesn't work isn't nearly as bad as saying that something that isn't supported by data does work

Based on on your profile/stats, I don't think the sleeve or bypass is clear cut the better option. I would probably lean towards the bypass because you're a little on the higher BMI side but I think both are good options for you.

I didn't see your age, but that's typically a factor too in what my doctor recommends (age is a factor for women not really men)

But one thing I think that has to be a huge factor that is often overlooked is how many bypasses does your surgeon do? There are some surgeons who quite frankly do very few bypasses, and I would never go to one of them. The bypass is a fairly complex procedure, so do yourself a favor and ask them how many they do in a year!

I have surgeons at my hospital who might do several hundred sleeves a year, but do less than 20 bypasses a year. I would absolutely not get a bypass from a surgeon like that, even though the odds are it'll still be fine. It's just unnecessary risk in my opinion

12 hours ago, Patrick powers said:

My weight lose has slowed Down to almost nothing and I feel Hungry again all the time. I'm very concerned, has this happened to anyone else?

The hunger is definitely an issue.

I dont know about yours, but mine isnt consistent though.

One day ill be REALLY hungry non stop, and will eat more than I usually do (only 300-500 calories typically) and then itll normalize for a few days and randomly come up.

Fortunately I still get really full really quickly when I do eat, and even get some pain in my stomach from it "filling" up (even when I eat very little). But this just encourages me to graze.

Im not losing, but im not gaining either so im not concerned. But the hunger definitely returns,however the quick fullness from actually eating is the best weapon for me for now.

As far as weight loss slowing, I think its more important than ever to be hyperdiligiant about weighing and measuring your food extremely accurately, if you still have a ways to go. The golden window for weight loss is still open, but it wont be forever. And if youre not losing, the most likely culprit is poor tracking of calories in. Its perfectly normal though as the overwhelming majority of people inaccurately measure their caloric intake, just means you have to work extra hard at it

Overnight oats with Premier Protein chia seeds vanilla and Splenda

Eat that all the time

Complex carbs, Fiber, tons of Protein, and good fats. A Breakfast of champions

On 9/23/2018 at 1:33 PM, MargoCL said:

On 9/21/2018 at 8:05 PM, swatkins4 said:

I stick with my Protein Shake every morning for breakfast. I also add a half of light and fit yogurt along with a scoop of GENEPRO Protein. That way I am guaranteed to get at least 64 grams of Protein to start the day. The thought of food just doesn't interest me anymore, so this is my go to item for now.

I thought our bodies can't handle / process more than 30g of protein per meal? Are you saying you take in 64g of protein for 1 meal?

GENEPRO doesn't have that much protein in it anyway, they just make up their own nutritional values and put a disclaimer on it.

But I personally believe they you can't process more than 30g of protein in a meal is absolutely nonsense. While it's certainly possible it's suboptimal at a certain point, that number will likely be different for everybody (does it really make sense a 110 pound girl can handle the same amount of protein as a 360 pound man?)

Regardless food digests and moves through your digestive tracks at different rates, and your body stores things. So I've heard that 30g number, and I've heard some physicians repeat it, but it's almost certainly crap.

I have meals with 50g of protein (notably my breakfast).

I wouldn't advocate having 150g of protein in a meal, but going over the 30g mark in a meal isn't gonna mark any difference.

And hypothetically speaking if your body couldn't use over 30g of protein in a meal, wouldn't that mean your body wouldn't just absorb the excess protein thus you wouldn't get the calories? Doesn't really make sense when you think of it like that

I wouldn't rely on gaining muscle as much of an indicator on progress. It's incredibly difficult for both men and women to gain muscle (more so for the latter). If a man gained 10 pounds of muscle over a full year while eating at a caloric surplus and working out hardcore he's either incredibly genetically gifted or extremely lucky. As gaining 10 pounds of muscle in a full year is unlikely for most people. Maybe if it's your first year ever working out in your life you could have a combo of luck and beginners gains.

So I think for most people if you have a great routine and are consistently working out with proper weights and sets expecting anywhere from 3 to 8 pounds of muscle gain over the course of a full year is more realistic. And if you're losing weight (which makes gaining muscle more challenging) it's likely that you're on the lower end of that spectrum.

2 hours ago, megolego said:

This. I have to do the 2 week pre-op diet but if I didn't, I would be eating what I wanted while I still could

17 hours ago, J San said:

Does he require some sort of diet at all? If not then don't worry about it. Eat what you want.

Doesn't sound like a recipe for success for a person wanting to change their life. But maybe I'm doing it wrong

Unless you're supremely obese one week should be fine. But the general rule of thumb is very low carb for a week or 2, and liquids for 24-48 hours before. But they'll give specific instructions