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I am within 10 pounds of my goal. I adjusted my original goal up from 150 to 160 because at my current weight I am feeling really comfortable and my face is starting to get thin looking. I want to be a normal BMI and I think I will be a size 4-6 at 160. I have been dropping weight fast the past 2 weeks. This week it I seem to be dropping .5 a day. My question is as I get closer to 160 how do I stop losing weight? I never dreamed I would be this close 3 months post op. My weekly exercise is increasing faster than my calorie intake because I am training to run longer distances. I have switched to a whole foods plant based diet and I think this will be a great sustainable and healthy diet for me. The problem is my stomach is still very restricting and I can only eat so much. I don't want to cut back on my running so my idea is to add an extra protein shake in before bed to give me some extra calories and protein. Currently I am able to eat 1000-1200 calories with drinking 1 shake and the rest from foods. I honestly don't think I could eat anymore food and I don't want to start eating high fats. I have started incorporating more nuts to add some calories. Any advice for me?

I was nauseous the first day after surgery and I had one other time when I drank a protein shake too fast and felt the same. I have never actually vomited even once. I think everyone is different in how their bodies react to the surgery. I asked for and was given medication because I knew anesthesia usually makes me sick. It helps to weigh out your portions once you are on soft foods and solids so you don't over eat. If you eat too fast it can make it really hard to feel the signals from your stomach before it is too late. I think we all mess up a time or two while we are learning, but it really isn't that bad.

It was about whether a person should eat eggs everyday. There were arguments made for not eating them and for eating them. You can read the information and decide for yourself what would be good for you.

It was a good debate, no worries. I believe I may be one of the unlucky ones because I have had problems with my cholesterol for a few years now. A low carb diet did not help. I am hoping for much improved numbers when I get my next labs.

I have read that your lungs start repairing themselves as soon as you quit. I am sure a healthy diet can only help. I pray he doesn't get lung cancer or copd. I am glad I never picked up that habit.

All you can do is try, maybe he will listen or maybe not. My older brother is very stubborn. I have been trying to get him to quit smoking for years. I even bought him this ecig vape kit that many people use to kick the habit. He told me flat out that he doesn't want to quit and he knows it will probably kill him???

Amen!! But it is so hard to get people to understand this. For me a good point is that you have got nothing to lose, but everything to gain.

Thank you posting this @Newme17. I can attest to this. Before surgery when I was eating low carb my BS would be good, but as soon as I ate any type of carby food it would rise high right away. My diabetes was not cured at all, I was just controlling it. I love how well Dr. Davis explains this whole process and also posts his references. I hope those that are reading this thread, will benefit from this information.

I had a very good experience with Dr. Illan. I like that they use a full service hospital and not a clinic. Everyone spoke English and the valets were awesome!! You can purchase a thumb drive and receivie a video of your surgery. I thought that was pretty cool. I would not hesitate to recommend Dr. Illan and BP.

You may have acid in your stomach which can feel like hunger. Are you on an acid blocker? I don't think I felt true hunger until around 3 weeks post op.

I always have a cup of coffee after dinner. It doesn't seem to keep me up. I won't drink it after 8:00pm now that I am in bed by 10.

I'll list out what I ate all day yesterday @Newme17 6:00am - chike mocha coffee shake with almond milk 9:30-1oz of walnuts coffer with 2 splashes of half/half 11:30- mixed green salad with tomatoes, cabbage, orange sesame vinaigrette. 12:00-Diet green tea 16oz 3:00 - 10 raspberries with 4oz yogurt 6:30- whole grain pasta with veggies, ( zucchini, yellow squash, spinach, red bell pepper, onion, cherry tomatoes, can of crushed tomatoes flavored with garlic and basil. 7:00-coffee with half/half 9:00- cup of unsweetened chocolate almond milk

I was for almost a year. I started low carbing in Sept. 2016 in an effort to control my diabetes and lose weight. I wish I would have done more research at that time. Healthy carbs are not my enemy nor are they the cause of my insulin resistance. I never thought I would say that. Anyway I understand that the topic of diet is a tough one to discuss. We will all defend our choices sometimes until death. I worked with the nicest man for years and his diet consisted of almost completely fast food. Everyday for lunch he would go to a different fast food joint to pick up lunch. He died of a massive coronary and no one was surprised. He wasn't over weight at all, just had a very poor diet. He was only 52. My high cholesterol numbers were from April, about a month before surgery. I had been losing weight, but not at a rate that I would think would have artificially raised them. I haven't had any blood work yet post-op.

I never said eggs were poison. The op wanted to know if she should eat eggs daily and I said I wouldn't. This is my opinion and I posted some links with supporting evidence, not proof. I didn't expect to debate this topic, but it is all good information either way. I used to think eating low carb with plenty of animal protein was an improvement over the SAD, and actually it is. However, through my recent research I have come to believe I can do even better. Since having WLS I have been seeking more knowledge on nutrition and ways to improve my health and the health of my family. I wholeheartedly agree that everyone should eat in a way that they feel comfortable and matches their goals. I have always said this. It is very hard not to share exciting information that is making a difference in your life and not to warn others to be careful. We have the power to heal ourselves through our diet and exercise so I was just sharing. I'm not trying to demonize anyone's diet. Have a great day everyone ?

http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2015/02/cleveland_clinic_study_shows_v.html Lustig RH, Mulligan K, Noworolski SM, et al. Isocaloric fructose restriction and metabolic improvement in children with obesity and metabolic syndrome. Obesity (Silver Spring) 2015. Macknin M, Kong T, Weier A, et al. Plant-Based, No-Added-Fat or American Heart Association Diets: Impact on Cardiovascular Risk in Obese Children with Hypercholesterolemia and Their Parents. J Pediatr 2015. The thing is anyone can google and find articles to support what they believe. So the take home message: Research, but in the end be comfortable with your lifestyle choices including diet. I am happy with mine and I feel great. Check out the book "How Not to Die" I am listening to it now. Great stuff!! I don't have time to keep debating this stuff, but really have a great day everyone

I got the book "How Not to Die" for my Audible app so I can listen during my one hour commute to and from work. I figure it is a good use of my time and it should compliment this book nicely. I will post any interesting or especially important information as it relates to the WFPB diet.

I agree. The problem is both sides of the research have flaws in their design and or the type of studies, but when you look at the totality of the weight of the evidence it is impossible to ignore.

I have looked at a few recent publications attempting to show that saturated fat is not related to CHD or stroke. I don't have time to post a detailed review, but many of them suffer from issues also. Siri-Tarino, Sun, et al. 2010 received money from the National Diary Association, the National Beef Council, and Atkins Nutritionals. In this study they eliminated all subjects with high cholesterol, duh that really makes sense when saturated fat raises cholesterol. Chowdhury, Warnakula, et al. 2014 actually included people who were on lipid lowering medications. My point is that you can find issues with just about any study if you look hard enough. The only reason I posted to this thread was because I just can't see recommending high consumption of eggs. I should have just moved right along and ignored it. I raise my own chickens so my eggs are healthier in my opinion (I haven't done any studies) and I am still not going to continue eating them. There are plenty of doctors that have switched their diets to plant based, and all truly believe the evidence is clear even if it is not proven with double blind clinical studies. The reason I posted the link to the Campbell article is his statement that there is not 100% verifiable proof that a WFPB diet optimizes health for all people at all times, but he still feels comfortable that the closer we get to consuming WFPB diet the healthier we will be. The data support this, but do not prove it. This is good enough for me. I understand the political climate with which researchers must always deal with. If you have research that disagrees with the current political party you can be sure that if you are a government scientist, it won't be published. You must also always try to follow the money with any published research. I will see how well my blood work improves over time. My cholesterol and triglycerides have gotten worse eating a low carb diet with moderate to high protein and fats. I refused a statin drug preferring to to use diet and exercise, and of course the WLS, to hopefully lower my numbers. One diet is not right for all people, but I believe there is evidence and support for making this change for me. I hope this debate can encourage people to look at studies objectively and decide for themselves. Nutrition is not my specialty, but I do understand the big money, conflicts of interest, and bias involved in many of these studies.

Yes there is bias everywhere. Nobody would refute that, but Newme17 was trying to offer a different perspective that does have science to back it up and it was dismissed. We don't all know what is in our genes but even without knowing we can say saturated fat is bad for a large majority of people. Even if you happen to be one of the lucky ones that can process fat and not get heart disease, you would not be harmed by eating a Whole Foods Plant based diet. There are a lot of reasons why research that would help show this doesn't get funded.

But even genetics does not mean you will definitely have or develop a disease. Some of this research shows that genes for type 2 diabetes didn't cause disease until a more western diet was introduced. The same thing happened for heart disease. If I have genes that never cause me any issues because I am eating a mostly plant based Whole Foods diet, why should I care? Just more to think about.

Yes to all of the bad components of the western diet that they started eating. This is why I said the weight of the evidence for eating a Whole Foods plant based diet is clear to me. They started eating processed junk food which also included animal protein. A WFPB diet does not include any of those types of foods, or as little as possible, because no one is perfect no matter how hard they might try.

The fact is many people are assuming a lot about what they are eating. I know I was. Many people are assuming low carb high protein diets are healthy and safe in the long term and really there is no 100% scientific proof that is true. Keto, Paleo, all of these types of diets are fads. I used to buy into it but once you really start researching you see why some doctors are now prescribing plant based Whole food diets to their patients. I don't think I am spreading myths at all. I am just putting another opinion out there.

I never said it proves it. I said it is clear enough for me to eliminate animal products from my diet. All i am saying is I don't need to wait until the perfect study is designed and proves this without a doubt.

Nobody would refute this statement, but when the evidence is weighted more towards showing healthier populations consume very little or no animal protein, and don't show the same problems as the populations that do, we should be paying attention. Kaiser Permanentr of California is even recommending a plant based diet based on the weight of the evidence that this type of eating can prevent and reverse many chronic medical conditions. I don't need to wait until the science proves it 100%. The fact is I have nothing to lose by switching to a healthier diet. I don't know what my genetic makeup is and I don't think it matters much in this case. If I had certain food allergies or gluten intolerance then yes, but I don't. The weight of the evidence has convinced me it might not you for the same reason I used to argue for low carb, we close are minds to the truth. I had to look at this evidence with my eyes open. I am a researcher so I know how to evaluate research. There will always be faults with experimental design. It is very hard to control every variable present especially when people are your study subjects. This is just food for thought. Another opinion. Look into it if you are interested or not. There are many ways to eat and you can surely continue with what works for you. There are some bariactric doctors that also support this type of diet. Look up Dr. Matthew Weiner he has written a book and has a ton of YouTube videos.

Of course more research is always needed. Many of these studies do not prove 100% that eating a Whole Foods plant based diet will save you from developing heart disease or cancer. However the weight of the evidence is clear and it is enough to convince me to transition away from animal proteins. If you look at some of the populations studied one of them had a high genetic potential for type 2 diabetes, however they did not develop the disease until they moved away from their native diet to a more western one which included higher amounts of animal products. I can find the study later. I am not trying to convince anyone though. I just wanted to present another opinion which has its basis in science.