Hammer_Down

I registered after I had my surgery, figuring I didn't have any new questions to ask and no advice to offer pre op.
I've been reading on the site since May or so.
The clearest trend I've seen is people asking vets questions when they already have a predetermined answer in their head. Then the askers, and a couple of others, lose their $!?& at people who dare to disagree.
I still don't think that means the whole board is wrapped up in drama. I have yet to witness the legendary bullying that vets are accused of daily.

I read about many of the issues with the lap band while I was intially researching WLS.
It seems that some bands were made of substandard materials, prone to corrosion or improperly fitted to begin with.
In those cases, i can understand not wanting to have something literally rusting or corroding on my insides.
As for the rest of it, I'm inclined to agree. I saw a post from a lap band to sleeve revision patient who has regained the weight and is now trying to qualify for a bypass. Personally, I think it would be malpractice to continue to operate on someone who obviously has an underlying issue that surgery will not address.
It might not be the answer that is popular, but all of the procedures work. Not following the diet is the part that doesnt work.
Huat eaeloer today there was someone inquiring about revision, and asking about eating mashed potatoes on liquids.

Ya know, fun story:
This is a public message board. Members are free to start posts on any related subjects they please, and other members are free to chime in. Even if it's not their personal journey.
Your outrage is palpable. If I were prone to getting so upset by others' opinions, I would avoid reading that material.

No, but I don't share much personal information on Facebook.< /p>
I told my parents and my parents in law. They are the only people I consider close enough to share this personal information with.

I registered after I had my surgery, figuring I didn't have any new questions to ask and no advice to offer pre op.
I've been reading on the site since May or so.
The clearest trend I've seen is people asking vets questions when they already have a predetermined answer in their head. Then the askers, and a couple of others, lose their $!?& at people who dare to disagree.
I still don't think that means the whole board is wrapped up in drama. I have yet to witness the legendary bullying that vets are accused of daily.

Ya know, fun story:
This is a public message board. Members are free to start posts on any related subjects they please, and other members are free to chime in. Even if it's not their personal journey.
Your outrage is palpable. If I were prone to getting so upset by others' opinions, I would avoid reading that material.

I read about many of the issues with the lap band while I was intially researching WLS.
It seems that some bands were made of substandard materials, prone to corrosion or improperly fitted to begin with.
In those cases, i can understand not wanting to have something literally rusting or corroding on my insides.
As for the rest of it, I'm inclined to agree. I saw a post from a lap band to sleeve revision patient who has regained the weight and is now trying to qualify for a bypass. Personally, I think it would be malpractice to continue to operate on someone who obviously has an underlying issue that surgery will not address.
It might not be the answer that is popular, but all of the procedures work. Not following the diet is the part that doesnt work.
Huat eaeloer today there was someone inquiring about revision, and asking about eating mashed potatoes on liquids.

I registered after I had my surgery, figuring I didn't have any new questions to ask and no advice to offer pre op.
I've been reading on the site since May or so.
The clearest trend I've seen is people asking vets questions when they already have a predetermined answer in their head. Then the askers, and a couple of others, lose their $!?& at people who dare to disagree.
I still don't think that means the whole board is wrapped up in drama. I have yet to witness the legendary bullying that vets are accused of daily.

@@OzRoo
I've so completely lost my hunger that I've been back on Clear liquids only for most of this week. Nothing is appealing whatsoever, and I 'm just riding it out to see where it goes.
I guess that makes this Watergate?

@@OzRoo
I did bear witness to tacogate, albeit as a lurker!
After reading that list (minus the Swedish fish) I'm coming to realize that a ton of people here share many of my favourite foods!
I havent felt hungry for 2 weeks, but now I am!

Lately, this has been driving me nuts. We don't all have the same opportunities for education, nor do we have the same backgrounds but we can all make an effort to improve the quality of our comments and arguments (not in the bickering sense) by referring back to some trusty critical thinking skills.
Here are just a few of the nonsensical, circular logical tendencies I see on a regular basis here:
The straw man:
When you create an argument that doesn't exist as a way to shutdown someone'a comment.
Ex:
Commenter A: "I think a preop diet plan should be treated as a prescription by the patient, not as a suggestion."
Commenter B: "Well, if you think everything a doctor says is always right, my mother got really sick by taking a prescription drug that her doctor gave her!"
See the problem? Commenter A never suggested that everything a doctor says is right. The comment was simply stating as far as preop diets go, it isn't a suggestion but rather "doctor's orders".
Ad Hominen:
In this fallacy, you attack a person instead of their argument.
Commenter A: "I think a preop diet plan should be treated as a prescription from your doctor, and not just as a suggestion."
Commenter B: "Come on down off of your high horse and stop being so condescending! We're all here to support each other and your arrogant attitude isn't helping anyone!"
See the problem? Name calling doesn't actually address the perceived problem with the argument. Not liking someone doesn't mean they are wrong, and it's a logical fallacy to let your personal feelings about a person cloud your judgment on their opinions.
False Dichotomy:
This fallacy misconstrues an argument by setting up an either/or scenario when there are multiple options available.
Commenter A: "I plan to follow my doctor's post op plan, because he knows better than I do about how this whole process works."
Commenter B: "it's not like you'll die if you don't follow the doctor's advice exactly as written!"
See the problem? Commenter A never suggested that the only possible outcomes were living or dying. There are a multitude of possible effects, including none whatsoever, that could result from not following the doctor's plans.
Ad Populum:
In this fallacy, you assume that because many people believe or do something, therefore it is safe.
Commenter A: "I plan to follow my surgeon's plans, because there are lots of problems that could arise if I don't."
Commenter B: "Basically no one is perfect, okay? We all cheated at some point either preop or postop and hardly anyone has serious complications from it. It's no big deal!"
See the problem? Just because many people believe that cheating has little or no ramifications, does not make it so. We are only a small sample of people who have had WLS, so our forum's results are already skewed. I don't know any astronauts, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
The Appeal to Authority:
Here, we assume that because someone with authority makes an argument, it is somehow correct.
Commenter A: "I plan to follow my doctor's advice on not exercising for 8 weeks post op, because of all the problems it could create while I am healing."
Commenter B: "Yeah, well I've been doing this much longer than you and I was fine excercising right after surgery. You need to be increasing physical activity as soon as possible, trust me - I would know."
See the problem? Commenter B never addressed the possible issues that could arise from exercise, but simply stated that since s/he has more experience with WLS, his/her opinion is correct.
There are dozens and dozens more of these, but this is pretty basic stuff we learned in high school. Your mileage may vary, but now you know.
Now go forth and let's all try to make sense when we disagree with other people!

I read about many of the issues with the lap band while I was intially researching WLS.
It seems that some bands were made of substandard materials, prone to corrosion or improperly fitted to begin with.
In those cases, i can understand not wanting to have something literally rusting or corroding on my insides.
As for the rest of it, I'm inclined to agree. I saw a post from a lap band to sleeve revision patient who has regained the weight and is now trying to qualify for a bypass. Personally, I think it would be malpractice to continue to operate on someone who obviously has an underlying issue that surgery will not address.
It might not be the answer that is popular, but all of the procedures work. Not following the diet is the part that doesnt work.
Huat eaeloer today there was someone inquiring about revision, and asking about eating mashed potatoes on liquids.

@@OzRoo
I've so completely lost my hunger that I've been back on Clear liquids only for most of this week. Nothing is appealing whatsoever, and I 'm just riding it out to see where it goes.
I guess that makes this Watergate?

@@OzRoo
I did bear witness to tacogate, albeit as a lurker!
After reading that list (minus the Swedish fish) I'm coming to realize that a ton of people here share many of my favourite foods!
I havent felt hungry for 2 weeks, but now I am!

@@OzRoo
I've so completely lost my hunger that I've been back on Clear liquids only for most of this week. Nothing is appealing whatsoever, and I 'm just riding it out to see where it goes.
I guess that makes this Watergate?

Oh, those are a lot of fun!
I might just post one of those when I see them, instead of trying explain why someone's comment makes no sense.
You know, 'cause words are hard 'n' stuff.

I think the problem might be your expectations.
You had surgery 11 days ago. It's not liposuction, your body must actually metabolise body fats, and this takes time.
People lose weight at different rates and in different ways. We don't all have the same history with obesity.
You started at under 200lbs, so your losses will not look like someone who started at 300lbs or 400lbs. You are female, and depending on your menses, there will be a week each month where you retain Water, are bloated and your cortisol is soaring from the stress of menstruating.
Cortisol is a stress hormone. You will struggle to lose weight when your cortisol is high. Stressing over not having lost XX lbs after only 11 days will only make it harder to lose weight.

I have to say, if I had read online that wearing a diaper was part of the normal recovery process for WLS, it would have given me pause for thought on whether I was making the right decision or not.

I registered after I had my surgery, figuring I didn't have any new questions to ask and no advice to offer pre op.
I've been reading on the site since May or so.
The clearest trend I've seen is people asking vets questions when they already have a predetermined answer in their head. Then the askers, and a couple of others, lose their $!?& at people who dare to disagree.
I still don't think that means the whole board is wrapped up in drama. I have yet to witness the legendary bullying that vets are accused of daily.

I belong to a Facebook group for the company that I had my surgery with.
As an example of the kinds of posts people make about WLS, one woman wrote about her experience with her IV.
She said it was so painful when they inserted the (tiny) needle that she screamed. She swore and burst into flames at the nurses, basically. She told them she couldn't stand the pain when they had to reinsert the IV.
The nurse gave her a few mins, then returned. She refused, because it was just the. Let excruciating pain in the world. The doctor came in and told her they were not going to operate if she couldn't tolerate a simple IV. SHe was so offended that she trashed this doctor to the group, because no one had ever been so rude to her in her whole life.
She bravely suffered through the IV, but when it was removed after surgery it left a small bruise on her arm. It was the most painful thing she has ever endured.
This is just 1 example of many of the things people say/write. Take everything with a grain of salt. I struggled to feel empathy for this person, because she clearly has a flair for melodrama, and I thought it was super crappy of her to mistreat the hospital staff over a simple, routine and medically necessary part of being admitted.

I belong to a Facebook group for the company that I had my surgery with.
As an example of the kinds of posts people make about WLS, one woman wrote about her experience with her IV.
She said it was so painful when they inserted the (tiny) needle that she screamed. She swore and burst into flames at the nurses, basically. She told them she couldn't stand the pain when they had to reinsert the IV.
The nurse gave her a few mins, then returned. She refused, because it was just the. Let excruciating pain in the world. The doctor came in and told her they were not going to operate if she couldn't tolerate a simple IV. SHe was so offended that she trashed this doctor to the group, because no one had ever been so rude to her in her whole life.
She bravely suffered through the IV, but when it was removed after surgery it left a small bruise on her arm. It was the most painful thing she has ever endured.
This is just 1 example of many of the things people say/write. Take everything with a grain of salt. I struggled to feel empathy for this person, because she clearly has a flair for melodrama, and I thought it was super crappy of her to mistreat the hospital staff over a simple, routine and medically necessary part of being admitted.

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No one is judging you.
~~ Signed, Sleeve with a Stricture.

I think the more important question is WHY didn't the surgery work?
If it's a medical issue, completely understandable.
If it's a case of the patient not being compliant, then why would another surgery be any different?

@@OzRoo
I've so completely lost my hunger that I've been back on Clear liquids only for most of this week. Nothing is appealing whatsoever, and I 'm just riding it out to see where it goes.
I guess that makes this Watergate?

In fairness, your analogy of seniors picking on freshmen kinda reminds me of you just throwing millenials under the bus. Those are pretty broad assumptions to make about a generation of millions and millions of people.
As far as I can see, every generation has a fair share of arseholes, not just folks born after 1980.
This forum has 250k registered users. You managed to find 1 religious zealot who hasn't posted here for years and 1 emotionally unstable girl looking for dating advice, and you conclude there is "so so so much drama"?
We couldn't even make a 30 min sitcom with so little material.
As far as people openly making fun of newbies, I see the accusation tossed around constabtly but I haven't actually witnessed it.