Shaydi.Laine

You know, it really wasn't that bad and it went by very fast. I really enjoy cream Soups and that's what I mostly thrived on. I did spend a lot of time during week 2, dreaming of cottage cheese tho.. and boy did I enjoy the first half cup of that!
What sounds worse to me than 2 weeks of shakes and Soups post-op, is the pre-op liquid diet that so many have to go through. At least I didn't have to do that! I never would have made it, I would have cheated and lied about it. Without a doubt.
I was about to add, "I'm nothing if not honest".. then I realized the absurd irony of that statement LOL.

Wow so that leaves a whole lotta nothing to eat! I suspect my reply may be a bit controversial, but for one thing I avoid anything that says fat free or low fat, unless that is naturally the case. Otherwise it usually means added carbs and fillers.
I have adjusted my own diet to what has worked best for me in the past and that is.. a low carb, HIGH FAT diet. Yes really, high fat. I eat real butter, real mayo, bacon, sausage, whole milk yogurt, and the like. I know this is going to freak some people out (OMG THE RULES!) but know what happened when I got off the low fat bandwagon? I broke my 3 week stall immediately and dropped about 7 pounds in one week. I also experienced a great reduction in hunger! I did this at about the 2 month mark. Today is my 3 month surgiversary.
So anyway I confessed my rebellious diet switcharoo to my nutritionist yesterday and she didn't have much to say about it other than maybe by eating more fat I was bumping myself out of starvation mode and needed the extra calories to break my stall. She may be partly right but I can't agree entirely because I am, as I keep saying, A Professional Dieter. I know my body better than anyone and how it reacts to various percentages of macronutrients. Doing Low Carb/High Fat in the past was by far the most successful plan for me. I was able to drop 50 pounds in 5 months, without surgery and reached my ideal weight in maybe 7 or 8 months. (How did I gain it back? I ate carbs again.)
I guess my point is, in the end we should all do whatever works best for us. I learned pretty early that I was in no danger of dumping, I also learned pretty early, that carbs such as crackers, fruit, and even vegetables were causing me to stall, but that didn't surprise me because it's not the first time.
Early on you should just do whatever your team tells you to do (there's not much chance of sticking to low fat, low sugar, and low salt tho - good luck with that) Once you are more "on your own", you can choose to continue following their rules if they are working for you, or make your own if that works better. I make sure my team knows what I'm doing, and as long as I'm getting such great results, I will continue doing what works.
Ok go easy on me.

Wow so that leaves a whole lotta nothing to eat! I suspect my reply may be a bit controversial, but for one thing I avoid anything that says fat free or low fat, unless that is naturally the case. Otherwise it usually means added carbs and fillers.
I have adjusted my own diet to what has worked best for me in the past and that is.. a low carb, HIGH FAT diet. Yes really, high fat. I eat real butter, real mayo, bacon, sausage, whole milk yogurt, and the like. I know this is going to freak some people out (OMG THE RULES!) but know what happened when I got off the low fat bandwagon? I broke my 3 week stall immediately and dropped about 7 pounds in one week. I also experienced a great reduction in hunger! I did this at about the 2 month mark. Today is my 3 month surgiversary.
So anyway I confessed my rebellious diet switcharoo to my nutritionist yesterday and she didn't have much to say about it other than maybe by eating more fat I was bumping myself out of starvation mode and needed the extra calories to break my stall. She may be partly right but I can't agree entirely because I am, as I keep saying, A Professional Dieter. I know my body better than anyone and how it reacts to various percentages of macronutrients. Doing Low Carb/High Fat in the past was by far the most successful plan for me. I was able to drop 50 pounds in 5 months, without surgery and reached my ideal weight in maybe 7 or 8 months. (How did I gain it back? I ate carbs again.)
I guess my point is, in the end we should all do whatever works best for us. I learned pretty early that I was in no danger of dumping, I also learned pretty early, that carbs such as crackers, fruit, and even vegetables were causing me to stall, but that didn't surprise me because it's not the first time.
Early on you should just do whatever your team tells you to do (there's not much chance of sticking to low fat, low sugar, and low salt tho - good luck with that) Once you are more "on your own", you can choose to continue following their rules if they are working for you, or make your own if that works better. I make sure my team knows what I'm doing, and as long as I'm getting such great results, I will continue doing what works.
Ok go easy on me.

Clean eating, high fat, low carb and zero processed is going to be part of my maintenance regardless of what the doc says. Right now I'm on the pre op and I am not into the SF Jello, pudding and Popsicles and God knows what's in the Protein Drinks but I'm doing as I'm told. However, it goes against everything I believe in to eat fake sugar and to deprive myself of quality fats like coconut oil, avocados, olive oil and good quality organic butter. I hate putting any food with ingredients I can't pronounce in my body. But I wasn't losing weight that way. Eating this processed crap is causing me to drop a pound a day but at what cost?

Wow so that leaves a whole lotta nothing to eat! I suspect my reply may be a bit controversial, but for one thing I avoid anything that says fat free or low fat, unless that is naturally the case. Otherwise it usually means added carbs and fillers.
I have adjusted my own diet to what has worked best for me in the past and that is.. a low carb, HIGH FAT diet. Yes really, high fat. I eat real butter, real mayo, bacon, sausage, whole milk yogurt, and the like. I know this is going to freak some people out (OMG THE RULES!) but know what happened when I got off the low fat bandwagon? I broke my 3 week stall immediately and dropped about 7 pounds in one week. I also experienced a great reduction in hunger! I did this at about the 2 month mark. Today is my 3 month surgiversary.
So anyway I confessed my rebellious diet switcharoo to my nutritionist yesterday and she didn't have much to say about it other than maybe by eating more fat I was bumping myself out of starvation mode and needed the extra calories to break my stall. She may be partly right but I can't agree entirely because I am, as I keep saying, A Professional Dieter. I know my body better than anyone and how it reacts to various percentages of macronutrients. Doing Low Carb/High Fat in the past was by far the most successful plan for me. I was able to drop 50 pounds in 5 months, without surgery and reached my ideal weight in maybe 7 or 8 months. (How did I gain it back? I ate carbs again.)
I guess my point is, in the end we should all do whatever works best for us. I learned pretty early that I was in no danger of dumping, I also learned pretty early, that carbs such as crackers, fruit, and even vegetables were causing me to stall, but that didn't surprise me because it's not the first time.
Early on you should just do whatever your team tells you to do (there's not much chance of sticking to low fat, low sugar, and low salt tho - good luck with that) Once you are more "on your own", you can choose to continue following their rules if they are working for you, or make your own if that works better. I make sure my team knows what I'm doing, and as long as I'm getting such great results, I will continue doing what works.
Ok go easy on me.

Personally I would recommend a bariatric center of excellence close to home. Proper pre-op and post-op care are just as important if not more important than the surgery itself. I realize some people have no choice but to go to Mexico, but it wouldn't be my recommendation at all. The notion terrifies me tbh. Is this a last resort?

Wow so that leaves a whole lotta nothing to eat! I suspect my reply may be a bit controversial, but for one thing I avoid anything that says fat free or low fat, unless that is naturally the case. Otherwise it usually means added carbs and fillers.
I have adjusted my own diet to what has worked best for me in the past and that is.. a low carb, HIGH FAT diet. Yes really, high fat. I eat real butter, real mayo, bacon, sausage, whole milk yogurt, and the like. I know this is going to freak some people out (OMG THE RULES!) but know what happened when I got off the low fat bandwagon? I broke my 3 week stall immediately and dropped about 7 pounds in one week. I also experienced a great reduction in hunger! I did this at about the 2 month mark. Today is my 3 month surgiversary.
So anyway I confessed my rebellious diet switcharoo to my nutritionist yesterday and she didn't have much to say about it other than maybe by eating more fat I was bumping myself out of starvation mode and needed the extra calories to break my stall. She may be partly right but I can't agree entirely because I am, as I keep saying, A Professional Dieter. I know my body better than anyone and how it reacts to various percentages of macronutrients. Doing Low Carb/High Fat in the past was by far the most successful plan for me. I was able to drop 50 pounds in 5 months, without surgery and reached my ideal weight in maybe 7 or 8 months. (How did I gain it back? I ate carbs again.)
I guess my point is, in the end we should all do whatever works best for us. I learned pretty early that I was in no danger of dumping, I also learned pretty early, that carbs such as crackers, fruit, and even vegetables were causing me to stall, but that didn't surprise me because it's not the first time.
Early on you should just do whatever your team tells you to do (there's not much chance of sticking to low fat, low sugar, and low salt tho - good luck with that) Once you are more "on your own", you can choose to continue following their rules if they are working for you, or make your own if that works better. I make sure my team knows what I'm doing, and as long as I'm getting such great results, I will continue doing what works.
Ok go easy on me.

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@@Kaze
My program was full liquids only for weeks 1-2, purees weeks 3-4, no veggies even pureed, till week 7. I don't know of programs allowing purees right off the bat, if yours does, have at it.
I will however caution about stocking up on sugar free canned fruit. That stuff is, at least to me, bitter inedible grossness. I tried them before surgery and thought "never again", then recently I foolishly decided to try again (Dole no sugar added peaches - 4 pack). I seriously don't know what I was thinking. I managed to gag down two of them (the second was no better than the first) and the other 2 are sitting in the fridge waiting to pass their expiration date so I can throw them out without feeling bad about it. Alternately if you live in NH, come on by and you can have them. Yuck.

Wow so that leaves a whole lotta nothing to eat! I suspect my reply may be a bit controversial, but for one thing I avoid anything that says fat free or low fat, unless that is naturally the case. Otherwise it usually means added carbs and fillers.
I have adjusted my own diet to what has worked best for me in the past and that is.. a low carb, HIGH FAT diet. Yes really, high fat. I eat real butter, real mayo, bacon, sausage, whole milk yogurt, and the like. I know this is going to freak some people out (OMG THE RULES!) but know what happened when I got off the low fat bandwagon? I broke my 3 week stall immediately and dropped about 7 pounds in one week. I also experienced a great reduction in hunger! I did this at about the 2 month mark. Today is my 3 month surgiversary.
So anyway I confessed my rebellious diet switcharoo to my nutritionist yesterday and she didn't have much to say about it other than maybe by eating more fat I was bumping myself out of starvation mode and needed the extra calories to break my stall. She may be partly right but I can't agree entirely because I am, as I keep saying, A Professional Dieter. I know my body better than anyone and how it reacts to various percentages of macronutrients. Doing Low Carb/High Fat in the past was by far the most successful plan for me. I was able to drop 50 pounds in 5 months, without surgery and reached my ideal weight in maybe 7 or 8 months. (How did I gain it back? I ate carbs again.)
I guess my point is, in the end we should all do whatever works best for us. I learned pretty early that I was in no danger of dumping, I also learned pretty early, that carbs such as crackers, fruit, and even vegetables were causing me to stall, but that didn't surprise me because it's not the first time.
Early on you should just do whatever your team tells you to do (there's not much chance of sticking to low fat, low sugar, and low salt tho - good luck with that) Once you are more "on your own", you can choose to continue following their rules if they are working for you, or make your own if that works better. I make sure my team knows what I'm doing, and as long as I'm getting such great results, I will continue doing what works.
Ok go easy on me.

Personally I would recommend a bariatric center of excellence close to home. Proper pre-op and post-op care are just as important if not more important than the surgery itself. I realize some people have no choice but to go to Mexico, but it wouldn't be my recommendation at all. The notion terrifies me tbh. Is this a last resort?

Wow so that leaves a whole lotta nothing to eat! I suspect my reply may be a bit controversial, but for one thing I avoid anything that says fat free or low fat, unless that is naturally the case. Otherwise it usually means added carbs and fillers.
I have adjusted my own diet to what has worked best for me in the past and that is.. a low carb, HIGH FAT diet. Yes really, high fat. I eat real butter, real mayo, bacon, sausage, whole milk yogurt, and the like. I know this is going to freak some people out (OMG THE RULES!) but know what happened when I got off the low fat bandwagon? I broke my 3 week stall immediately and dropped about 7 pounds in one week. I also experienced a great reduction in hunger! I did this at about the 2 month mark. Today is my 3 month surgiversary.
So anyway I confessed my rebellious diet switcharoo to my nutritionist yesterday and she didn't have much to say about it other than maybe by eating more fat I was bumping myself out of starvation mode and needed the extra calories to break my stall. She may be partly right but I can't agree entirely because I am, as I keep saying, A Professional Dieter. I know my body better than anyone and how it reacts to various percentages of macronutrients. Doing Low Carb/High Fat in the past was by far the most successful plan for me. I was able to drop 50 pounds in 5 months, without surgery and reached my ideal weight in maybe 7 or 8 months. (How did I gain it back? I ate carbs again.)
I guess my point is, in the end we should all do whatever works best for us. I learned pretty early that I was in no danger of dumping, I also learned pretty early, that carbs such as crackers, fruit, and even vegetables were causing me to stall, but that didn't surprise me because it's not the first time.
Early on you should just do whatever your team tells you to do (there's not much chance of sticking to low fat, low sugar, and low salt tho - good luck with that) Once you are more "on your own", you can choose to continue following their rules if they are working for you, or make your own if that works better. I make sure my team knows what I'm doing, and as long as I'm getting such great results, I will continue doing what works.
Ok go easy on me.

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I agree that the surgery is on the stomach and not the brain. I am a month post op and my brain still things the pre op way... I sat down to eat my small measured portion for lunch, I though to myself I will eat this and still going to be so hungry... Needless to say I could barely finish it. It is hard after surgery because I do like carbs like chips and crackers, today at work I saw someone eating crackers I like, I am not going to lie I wanted some, but reminded myself of my new lifestyle and my journey. I feel like you constantly have to be paying attention to what you eating, how fast you are eating, how much you are eating and drinking. When they say it's life changing, it really is. I am still learning this new lifestyle and new stomach, but this is my only hope of being healthy, I couldn't do it on my own. I think this has been the hardest experience in my life (I had complications as well) but seeing clothes getting bigger and number on the scale going in right direction I have hope that I will get there this time around. If you do have the surgery I wish you best of luck and great success!

@@WitchySar
You are still trying to convince us that you were actually eating 7 chips and not over eating. Not many people are going to believe that.
You are tracking your food now and saying you aren't losing weight and barely getting enough calories in. So that has been the case you whole life? You ate 1000 calories a day for the past 42 years and got to 368?
You know a bunch of fat people aren't going to believe that...

If you are able to change what you eat and have already done so, what would be the point of surgery?
Most of us have surgery as a tool to help us change the behaviors that made us gain. For most of us that includes portions in addition to types of foods.
You've said your only behavior was choice of type of food and you've already changed that. You don't need help to change that because you've already done that.
The surgery restricts food amounts. You don't need that, so I really don't see how it will help you.

I'm going to say this again... I am fully committing to WLS. I am planning 100% to change what I'm eating (in fact already have) and will not sabotage the surgery.
Sorry if I sound snippy but I feel like people aren't actually reading my words.
Yes.
We read.
If you are going to fully commit to WLS then your original question is a moot point.
Think about it for a few seconds......let the term "fully commit" sink in. You've answered you own question.

Yeah.... Actually many of us can't lose weight on 2000-2400 calories. In fact most of us gain on that many. But if you can't lose on 1000 calories a day then again I don't know how it could help you.
I can eat carbs for sure, the appetite reduction you get for 7-12 months might help you change your carb habits, but after that it's pretty much up to you.

Basically no. If you stay fat on very few calories it probably won't help. How many is it you get in a day? You say you struggle to eat "enough" how many is enough?
And don't count on surgery making it harder to eat anything--it might, but many people have "sleeves of steel" and can eat anything. Most of us can eat crackers and chips no problem.
Lots of people don't feel like eating ANYTHING at first and that part might help you change your patterns and tastes. But it's basically a restrictive procedure. If you gain weight on 900 calories a day, you need to talk to an endocrinologist or something because this probably won't help.

If you like chips, Pasta, pizza. Those are all things you can eat after surgery and you can eat them easily, easier than dense Protein. So if you aren't really invested, and you don't have the will power, liking those things will make it easy for you to fail.
Also, even if you aren't eating an entire large pizza yourself, or polishing off a whole bag of chips, it is unlikely you are measuring and weighing all your portions now and eating proper serving sizes. Basically everyone is over eating. Almost no one eats the actual serving size portion. Like a proper serving of meat is 3-4 ounces but people are regularly downing 8-16 ounce steaks.
For me personally, I have low carbed off and on for about 15 years. I like the low carb lifestyle. However, I had issues with Portion Control. I would eat a 12 ounce steak, and stuff like that. I wasn't getting the results I should have from a low carb lifestyle because my portions were still out of whack. So now I can easily eat the proper portions of the things I like and I am satisfied with those amounts. I can continue to eat healthy through a stall because I don't feel deprived. Before surgery when I hit a stall, I would give up, because I felt deprived and it seemed pointless to suffer for nothing. Now I can keep eating healthy through a stall and keep losing (inches) until the pounds drop because I don't feel deprived at all. I feel like a normal person living a healthy lifestyle.

Most anyone, in my opinion, can eat past VSG surgery.
You've gotta adopt a new gameplan if you want to succeed. Proteins first. Supplementation of nutrients and forget about all the junk food once and for all.
If you can't commit to this.....then don't waste your time and money on the surgery.
Harsh ? Meh.....nope. Just cutting to the chase and telling you the truth.

You can still eat a LOT of chips/crackers/etc with the sleeve. Pasta might sit badly in your stomach (it does in mine, but many eat it just fine) and pizza is easy for many to eat.
The thing is simple carbs like those (as opposed to complex carbs like whole grains and beans) aren't much different to your body than sugar.

@@Shaydi.Laine - Honestly I think you aren't going to get flogged for your opinion. I think there are many here that agree in full fat choices and it seems it is starting to become more mainstream. I think the theory is that higher fat keeps you satisfied longer and with low carbs, your body will burn the fat for energy. I haven't quite embraced this lifestyle yet as it seems so counterintuitive (and frankly for me, I am more of a fat addict than carb addict so I have to be careful as it is a slippery slope) but I do think it makes sense. And it always makes sense to eat more "real" foods instead of more heavily processed.
@@Kaze - I think your program may be a bit unreasonable in making those requests unless you are sticking to whole foods such as pure Protein and veggies/fruits. You do need to be a label reader (and trust me, you will become one). I would aim for lowest sugar content you can when you can. And for fat, just try to look for lean options when possible but nothing wrong with full fat cheese. (I personally use 2% cheese and 2% or skim milk just to keep calories in check.) Not sure that is helpful or not.

Wow so that leaves a whole lotta nothing to eat! I suspect my reply may be a bit controversial, but for one thing I avoid anything that says fat free or low fat, unless that is naturally the case. Otherwise it usually means added carbs and fillers.
I have adjusted my own diet to what has worked best for me in the past and that is.. a low carb, HIGH FAT diet. Yes really, high fat. I eat real butter, real mayo, bacon, sausage, whole milk yogurt, and the like. I know this is going to freak some people out (OMG THE RULES!) but know what happened when I got off the low fat bandwagon? I broke my 3 week stall immediately and dropped about 7 pounds in one week. I also experienced a great reduction in hunger! I did this at about the 2 month mark. Today is my 3 month surgiversary.
So anyway I confessed my rebellious diet switcharoo to my nutritionist yesterday and she didn't have much to say about it other than maybe by eating more fat I was bumping myself out of starvation mode and needed the extra calories to break my stall. She may be partly right but I can't agree entirely because I am, as I keep saying, A Professional Dieter. I know my body better than anyone and how it reacts to various percentages of macronutrients. Doing Low Carb/High Fat in the past was by far the most successful plan for me. I was able to drop 50 pounds in 5 months, without surgery and reached my ideal weight in maybe 7 or 8 months. (How did I gain it back? I ate carbs again.)
I guess my point is, in the end we should all do whatever works best for us. I learned pretty early that I was in no danger of dumping, I also learned pretty early, that carbs such as crackers, fruit, and even vegetables were causing me to stall, but that didn't surprise me because it's not the first time.
Early on you should just do whatever your team tells you to do (there's not much chance of sticking to low fat, low sugar, and low salt tho - good luck with that) Once you are more "on your own", you can choose to continue following their rules if they are working for you, or make your own if that works better. I make sure my team knows what I'm doing, and as long as I'm getting such great results, I will continue doing what works.
Ok go easy on me.

Wow so that leaves a whole lotta nothing to eat! I suspect my reply may be a bit controversial, but for one thing I avoid anything that says fat free or low fat, unless that is naturally the case. Otherwise it usually means added carbs and fillers.
I have adjusted my own diet to what has worked best for me in the past and that is.. a low carb, HIGH FAT diet. Yes really, high fat. I eat real butter, real mayo, bacon, sausage, whole milk yogurt, and the like. I know this is going to freak some people out (OMG THE RULES!) but know what happened when I got off the low fat bandwagon? I broke my 3 week stall immediately and dropped about 7 pounds in one week. I also experienced a great reduction in hunger! I did this at about the 2 month mark. Today is my 3 month surgiversary.
So anyway I confessed my rebellious diet switcharoo to my nutritionist yesterday and she didn't have much to say about it other than maybe by eating more fat I was bumping myself out of starvation mode and needed the extra calories to break my stall. She may be partly right but I can't agree entirely because I am, as I keep saying, A Professional Dieter. I know my body better than anyone and how it reacts to various percentages of macronutrients. Doing Low Carb/High Fat in the past was by far the most successful plan for me. I was able to drop 50 pounds in 5 months, without surgery and reached my ideal weight in maybe 7 or 8 months. (How did I gain it back? I ate carbs again.)
I guess my point is, in the end we should all do whatever works best for us. I learned pretty early that I was in no danger of dumping, I also learned pretty early, that carbs such as crackers, fruit, and even vegetables were causing me to stall, but that didn't surprise me because it's not the first time.
Early on you should just do whatever your team tells you to do (there's not much chance of sticking to low fat, low sugar, and low salt tho - good luck with that) Once you are more "on your own", you can choose to continue following their rules if they are working for you, or make your own if that works better. I make sure my team knows what I'm doing, and as long as I'm getting such great results, I will continue doing what works.
Ok go easy on me.

@@Shaydi.Laine
Yes you are absolutely correct.
If you cut out too much of everything your body rebels and fights back.
Basically its either low carb/sugar and high fat ir high carb or low fat... no one should do low carb low fat.. the only thing that'll give you is a stall, low energy and your body going into starvation.
Do these NUTs even study nutrition?
@@Kaze
I would suggest reading the labels on the canned food... add yoghurt, lentils, Beans etc that is much more nutritionally dense than oatmeal ☺