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You mean they shit stir on purpose? Maybe. There are such people. However, maybe being bashed one time is just enough for them. Start one thread that gets out of control when you're relatively new and you don't want to post again that much. You go elsewhere or lurk only. For a long time user starting or participating in such a thread it might be the final straw that brakes the camel's back.

@ I see what you mean regarding my second question. I still don't understand the "inconsistent advice" part. For me inconsistent advice would be e. g. one veteran (or newbie) says "it's fine to eat X after four weeks, my program allowed for it" while another veteran (or newbie) says "no, don't do it, my program didn't allow for it". That would be inconsistent advice for me. In this case obviously both are right (they did follow their program), yet the advice is inconsistent.

@ I have to say I really don't get what you are aiming at with "inconsistent and conflicting advice" from both newbie and vets. Could you give an example, please? Or construct one if you don't want to take one out of the existing threads? With that do you mean that if someone gives advice and can back it up with e. g. a scientific paper it would be "right" advice?

I have a feeling that this "advice thing" is becoming a pet peeve of mine. Who exactly decides what is "wrong" or "right" advice anyway? As far I can see there simply is a whole truckload of conflicting advice/rules out there because there is no real standard available on diet, pre-/post-op regimen etc. Simply compare the rules/advice your own surgical team gave you with any other member who got surgery at a different hospital and you will notice that at least some rules will contradict each other. So talking about "giving wrong advice" is IMO very difficult because in the end who exactly decides what is wrong and what is right? It doesn't fit our own view of the bariatric world so it must be wrong? Can't be that simple, or can it?

I really seem to be reading the wrong threads. Where exactly happened something like this?

Maybe that is the reason long term members don't hang around that much anymore? You described why I cut back on activity on many boards/mailing lists/newsgroups over many years - after a while it seems to be always the same stuff people talk about and most of the stuff that is talked about is off topic or diary-like threads. And it doesn't matter what the board is about, in the end there seem to be only a very few long-time members who stay.

Now I'm interested in what naughty things you might be doing daily.

MGB is also know as single-anastomosis gastric bypass. IIRC it was developed by Dr. Rutledge about 20 years ago. EWL is about the same as with RNY bypass.

@@FloraBama Girl: That's cool! I had revision because of reflux as well. Feeling good so far.

This. IMO a lot of the "old, experienced ones" don't leave because this is such an awful place for them but because they don't feel the need to be here. Just guessing of course, but almost everything feels just old in the end and this includes hanging around online boards.

"write into your journal" "knit a scarf" "call a friend" (yes friend, try calling me on a work day at 11:30 pm to stop you from emotional eating)

Definitely time for this. I hope you feel better soon.

Let's hope and pray that every nutritionist is a good one, huh?

I think it's important to talk about complications. Complications always have to be considered. Of course we all like to read about success stories but when reading some literature there must be quite a few patients with complications out there, be it short term or long term. My complication was severe volume reflux several years after having lap-band. Today I would never choose having the lap-band again but back then it was 2001.

sorry, double post

Ursofalk is supposed to prevent gallstones.

Is it physical hunger or really bad cravings? Did you already see your surgeon to check if the pouch and anastomosis are ok?

Don't feel bad. I only started recently doing yoga again seriously because I still felt some discomfort regarding the abdominal wall where the wounds have been. Today was the first session I really felt comfortable with twists and really engaging the core. Surgeons told us to take it quite slowly for 6-8 weeks (no heavy lifting etc.) post-op.

True. The decision is difficult. I postponed for almost a year. First just the fill of the band was removed (I had terrible volume reflux and hiatal hernia) and I tried lets wait and see. Then the band was removed and the reflux got even worse. I got revision to MGB a whole year later after I considered revision for the first time. I had problems for years and maybe should have gotten revision way earlier but as you said yourself: the decision is a difficult one. ETA: when the band was removed it already had started to migrate into the stomach wall. Gastroscopies (and I had plenty of them) didn't show the migration and I was lucky that the band was removed in time.

Meat at every meal (so the article says is recommended) seems a bit excessive, even if it's still less than the "average American" consumes. However, to each their own. In the end nobody is forced to eat that much meat (or animal protein in general).

I chose a center of excellence that was relatively near my main residence. I wanted to have surgery where the surgeons are familiar with revisions.

@@emme.vee It depends. I got back to work after three weeks but I don't have to e. g. lift heavy things.

I think there is a lot of focus on Protein only when it comes to nutrients out there regarding nutrition after WLS. Like protein and Vitamin pills are enough to provide healthy nutrition while ignoring phytonutrients more or less completely. I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be much concern out there regarding absorption of phytonutrients. I wonder how much e. g. lycopene is absorbed when eating a tomato etc.

I shop and cook less because I eat less. The preparing needs some more time (e. g. measuring because I want to know the nutrient content of the food).

The meat obsession when it comes to WLS is indeed a bit strange.