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I have been using them for over 6 months and just ended my 2nd raft of blood tests.

Everything for me is 100% levels.

Note: I also have less restriction than many that had RNY, and can eat whatever I choose, and no problems with any types of foods, so have no issue with keeping my calories up and focused on key nutrition. (I avg 2000 cals a day, due to the levels of my workouts)

For others that have more restrictions, and eat very low calories a day, they may not be enough.

Good to insure you plan your meals now and stick to the plan to avoid over eating.

As mentioned, also eating slow and learn to stop when satisfied, not full.

You can do it. I did last year, and after it was done the whole world opened up for me.

As my Wife told me when it got difficult the last few days of the liver flush diet "Suck it up cupcake" HA HA

I buy the variety packs, but like the hazelnut the best.

I like the different flavored hot cocoa and pudding mixes.

A lot better than Swiss Miss and 15 grams Protein to boot

Plan and track everything, and stick to the plan.

Without that we have no real control over the volume and macros we take in.

A little slip of the wrong food can add thousands of calories, and if it is simple carbs, our body will crave even more, not less.

(Sugar addition is perfect example)

I had RNY, but my Son had Sleeve, and as soon as he stopped tracking and controlling the volume and macros, he started gaining weight. He has no real way of knowing what he is actually eating, nor what his body really needs to maintain, let alone lose the gained weight.

I recommend clearly evaluating your food, exercise and life changes for this WLS tool to work.

Food tracking seems to be an item that gets dropped after initial weight loss and can catch up to us very quickly.

I like the synonym DIET

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Congrats.

This is a step to Celebrate and continue on.

I stopped about 4 weeks after surgery. I hated it anyway, and kept trying to sleep without it, till I no longer was snoring or getting poor sleep due to breathing.

Everyone is different, based on the severity of their issues. My son still needs it, even after loosing 80 lbs.

On ‎2‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 11:09 AM, Momcat said:

Hi

I've been reading a lot about how we ruin our metabolisms due to extremely low calorie diet and how to get our metabolisms back to normal by slowly increasing calories to a normal amount and then reducing them again (but not too low) to lose weight. This supposedly resets your metabolism so you can eat a normal amount and not gain weight., Has anyone actually tried this? Did it work for you?

Yes I have with good results.

From severe calorie deficit for months, I stalled, and could not gain any muscle weight. Only losing muscle mass. I increased my calories for a few days (Maintenance level) then down to 30% deficit from it, and now even though actual bathroom the scale is not moving, my muscle mass is increasing and my fat levels are going down. My scale says I have 15 lbs. more to lose to goal, but muscle/Fat ration says 5 lbs. only of fat to lose, and my cloths fit like that too.

We have to eat to fuel our workouts. For some that do not exercise or only a little a increase for a day will help some, but if muscle loss keeps happening, our metabolism will go to a crawl because it does not need to be revved up.

The more fat a person needs to lose, the more and longer a deficit can be in place before metabolism is affected much.

Note: Every person is different and responds differently. It takes a lot of trial and error to get it right, and also our body constantly adapts so what we did one week, may not be what works a few weeks later.

Good luck.

Congrats and great job hanging in there during the long stall.

Hello all,

I've been working with a trainer for some time and while I have seen lots of changes in my body my weight has plateaued in the last 3 months.

She evaluated what I'm eating and said I need to be at 1500 calories a day...I can easily make just under 1000, 1200 takes more work to keep in my macros and today I will have gotten to 1350.

I've got my macros set as:

25% carbs

30% fat

45% Protein

She gave me some fasting cardio in between sessions and we are adding Hiit at the end block of the session now. I'll try to do my best with the food in the next week and see if there is a change.

My question is- what is everyone else doing and how is it working?

How many calories are you taking in and are you still losing?

What are your macros at?

My first trainer set a goal of 1400 calories with 120 grams of Protein under 50 carbs and under 25 sugars but to use fats to reach the caloric intake as long as they were healthy fats. He said to burn fat you need to eat fat and I was losing.

The new trainer who is a much better trainer was horrified at the fat intake and said they can still do damage to the body.

So I'm trying to find the magic combination.

Anything you have to say or share is appreciated!!!

Here is my 2 cents worth:

I work out 6 days a week, 3 days 1 hr. cardio (HIIT and Medium mixed), and 3 days weights with 30 min moderate cardio.

I eat about 1900 cals a day and it breaks out to about 30% carbs, 50% carbs and 20% fats.

I found that this is a 40% deficit in cals, based on my activity levels, and have been at same scale weight for 30+ days.

I have seen lower fat levels and slow muscle growth, so I am not too concerned.

I have 15 lbs. of fat left to lose, and plan on cycling my calories/carbs soon and I feel my scale stall is partially associated to some metabolism slowing. (Been in big calorie deficit for 9 months now)

My revision seems to be much looser and allows me to eat much more than many with RNY do, so getting this much food in is only a little challenging with 5 meals a day. I mostly focus on getting in proper protein, and making carbs fibrous, except right after training, so I am not too concerned with the totals values.

My fats come from clean sources only, mostly coconut, flax and olive oils, and lean meats, and I feel high fat levels of the right fats is OK, if we can handle it.

It has taken me a while to get to this point and a lot of trial and error to get the right fit, and I am sure you will need to do the same. I suggest tracking your diet and any changes and measure the affect every week or so and adjust again as needed. No trainer know you like you.

Best on your journey. . .

I have a question about waist sizes of pants sold in stores. Currently I can fit into a 30" waist in jeans (they are loose enough for me to pull them down without unbuttoning/unzipping them) and I have been looking for a size 28. Do they sell them in stores? I have been to a couple of stored but the smallest size they seem to have are 30s.

Is that a question you thought you would ever ask?

Congrats.

I quit farming a long time ago. The young cows drove me nuts...

OK Seriously---Dehydration is the main cause for me. Also the lack of potassium, and sitting too much caused cramping.

For some people rain shrinks them. (As the Witch from Wizard of OZ) I wish It would work for me. . .

_{Steak, the other white meat. . .}

_{I love it and have had no problems, after the first few months.}

_{I usually eat about 4 to 6 oz. to get my Protein value in for the meal, along with veggie after it.}

It is my understanding that to gain muscle, there must be a surplus to build new tissue with. I find that determining the maintenance level and adding a few hundred or so cals in Protein and cals works well. Too much, even Protein, will cause excessive fat gain.

When I was lifting heavy for body building, My best results came from following the right macros and volumes. Yes I did gain some fat with muscle, but kept it to a min, then had to cut for competition. (This was many years ago)

I found a great resource in the book and series "Burn The Fat, Feed The Muscle " and follow most of its diet directions today and can see my fat reducing slowly, while making small muscle gains.

Because we have had overweight issues and had WLS, it is important to target our plan to us. For me I have to stay lower carb (Under 60 grams a day) while losing fat. Anything higher, I stall or start gaining fat weight, not muscle.

Good Luck and have fun.

Who has had the muscle milk brand of Protein powder? I want to order it bc it has 50g of Protein and its reasonably priced. I was going to get chocolate flavor. Any powdered protein advice?

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You can get 50 grams from any powder, Muscle milk is calling this out because they recommend a double dose of many others.

But Muscle Milk also has a lot of added fillers, fat and sugar, why I stay clear of their brand

I had the same issues after about 6 years with my VBG, but that was done 20 years ago.

I feel great with the revision to RNY, but something did need to be done years ago, but I never found a Dr that could help till last year.

I feel the medical knowledge is much better today, and hope you can find a Dr. that can really get to the bottom of it soon.

For Michiganders---It may be different? Just kidding..

My Dr did not require one as well with non-open surgery.

My original VBG of 20 years ago did require one and I used it for 3 weeks, to allow for healing of skin and muscles that were cut.

Your body adapts. especially after such a deficit for so long. We have to change it up.

1) Increase or change up type of exercise

2) Adjust carbs/calories so the body responds. Not always lower, but cycle a little up and down does help.

3) After making changes, give it a couple weeks to see if changes helped.

The scale should not be the only measure of progress, but body measurements and body levels fat is.

Remember staying at the same weight is not a failure. Gaining fat is.

I recently just broke a 1 month stall (Based on the scale) but did lose some inches and at least that helped break the mental crap the scale alone can cause.

I never close the day due to this. Other than that I love this app

It won't let me end my day, says I need to eat more. Is there any place in the settings that I'm not finding where I can indicate I had surgery, this isn't a mistake, etc? It wants me to have 1000-1200 calories a day at least. Well seeing as I'm not quite a month out from surgery that just isn't happening.

My 6 week long stall has finally broke and my scale hit 200.0.

I smell Onderland by this weekend.

I t just goes to note to stay on plan, and we will make progress.

My cloths have been getting bigger this month, but the scale was frustrating mentally.

Do you want premixed shakes, or recommendation on Protein powder to make your own?

I'm open to either. I was thinking the powder though

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I like Syntrax whey Isolate Protein powders. They have a few different flavors, that I like and good quality Protein. I use them in shakes, with cottage cheese and make my own sugar free hot cocoa, with it and organic cocoa powder.

I also buy unflavored whey isolate for shakes which I change up the flavors with fruit or spices. (Love pumpkin Pie and Apple Pie spices)

Important to look at nutrition labels well. Some whey Proteins have added sugars or fillers that are not needed and add carbs that are not needed.

I believe the Syntrax and others I use have 3 grams carbs per serving, and zero to only 1 gram sugar. They also give about 25 grams protein per serving and mix well.

I think Ceylon tastes better too. Less bitterness.

Ceylon Cinnamon is the safer cinnamon. There are a lot of cinnamon out there but all except the "Ceylon" is liver damaging when consumed in large quantities. If you google "real cinnamon" you will get more information that can help you decide. Cinnamon in all actuality is very good for you. As long as it's "Ceylon" By the way I found a Ceylon that is absolutely delicious.

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