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Beck90

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  1. Posted

    Some people suggested I get my body used to more liquid during my preopp diet (it's not a Fluid. Mostly reg food but 800 cal). Because now I only drink about 30 oz a day.

    Now. I have to confess. I've never had a diet really succeed. I've never seen the numbers go down. So I was excited since a lot of people say they lost on this liver diet.

    But if I work to double my fluid won't the Water weight keep me from losing :(

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    @@OutsideMatchInside hee! at least if I'm sweating in the Water I can cool down immediately post workout without having to go anywhere.. just give myself a dunk under the Water XD

    Basically I'm so incredibly relieved that.. basically to reach my goal.. like I probably can get there following the plan I set for myself..

    I mean I think he intended for me to walk fast and then run right away but.. I -hate- running.. I -hate- jogging.. and I really hate the heat.. I'm waaay more a water girl.. especially when walking long distances/jogging/running actually physically hurts.. so why not use what I enjoy... I've never seen someone stick with an exercise routine that they hate.. myself included... It's like he's setting me up for failure..

    "As long as you are moving" [And eating right!] "you will lose" -- best words I've ever heard in my life.


    @@OutsideMatchInside hee! at least if I'm sweating in the water I can cool down immediately post workout without having to go anywhere.. just give myself a dunk under the water XD

    Basically I'm so incredibly relieved that.. basically to reach my goal.. like I probably can get there following the plan I set for myself..

    I mean I think he intended for me to walk fast and then run right away but.. I -hate- running.. I -hate- jogging.. and I really hate the heat.. I'm waaay more a water girl.. especially when walking long distances/jogging/running actually physically hurts.. so why not use what I enjoy... I've never seen someone stick with an exercise routine that they hate.. myself included... It's like he's setting me up for failure..

    "As long as you are moving" [And eating right!] "you will lose" -- best words I've ever heard in my life.

  4. Posted

    @@OutsideMatchInside hee! at least if I'm sweating in the Water I can cool down immediately post workout without having to go anywhere.. just give myself a dunk under the Water XD

    Basically I'm so incredibly relieved that.. basically to reach my goal.. like I probably can get there following the plan I set for myself..

    I mean I think he intended for me to walk fast and then run right away but.. I -hate- running.. I -hate- jogging.. and I really hate the heat.. I'm waaay more a water girl.. especially when walking long distances/jogging/running actually physically hurts.. so why not use what I enjoy... I've never seen someone stick with an exercise routine that they hate.. myself included... It's like he's setting me up for failure..

    "As long as you are moving" [And eating right!] "you will lose" -- best words I've ever heard in my life.

  5. Posted

    You guys are rockstars! Thank you so so so so soooo much for bringing a smile back to my face.. I needed it. (Oh did I mention he was running late from surgery so he was two hours late for my appointment at which he did nothing but ask if I was feeling healthy and then the other conversation ensuded and then I nodded and he said okay see you in two weeks and left? aiii)

    @@VSGAnn2014 - the thing about losing weight in the kitchen and not the gym makes quite a lot of sense.. exercise is important but nutrition (and proper nutrition) is even more vital so.. seems to me that it's time to do what I do best with him... Nod.. curse illinois medicaid again.. and figure it out for myself. So glad this forum is here. Gosh knows what else he'll have bad advice about. I'm a little afraid to find out!!!

    @ - I'm stuck with him due to my insurance restrictions. So.. I just have to make due and lean on you guys and the wealth of knowledge here and not let him get me down.

    @@2goldengirl - Right? I thought lap swimming was at least equal to jogging if not running in intensity? So why does it matter if I'd rather build up to that.. it's a whole lot easier on my joints and doesn't hurt me. Clearly he doesn't know enough about Water exercise. He must think about Water aerobics for senior ladies with an instructor that babies them or something.

    @@Babbs - you made me LOL for the first time all day. No kidding his bedside manner stinks for sure! I will be so happy to just.. not see him anymore.. every experience (talking) that I've had with him is negative.. (thankfully his reviews for actually doing surgery are stellar or I'd be even more terrified that I'm stuck with him!)

  14. Posted

    Talk about frustration. I went to my last visit before surgery with my surgeon (whom I don't like and don't mesh with as I've mentioned before) and he asked what my exercise plan was and what goal weight I set. I told him 130 (which is low 150 would be high ) and that I was going to start out with Water aerobics then Aqua Zumba then laps and then when laps were easy see what then. And he basically said that water exercise is useless. It's for people who can't do anything but that and not a good workout. That if I want that kind of weight loss I need to be walking then running 5 times a week plus lifting weights 2-3 times a week and not "fool around with" water exercises.

    Well here's the truth. I have immense back and foot pain due to my weight. Just 15 minutes or more walking or standing makes me really hurt. And I also get extremely nauseous if I get overheated. So it seemed like water exercises were a good start. I know I'll be able to do more as I lose more but he seemed to have the opinion that if I'm not doing hard core cardio and strength training right away I can't achieve that kind of loss and any time spent in the water was just a waste

    But I don't know how I could do what he wants either. I can barely walk to the mailbox without getting out of breath and barely stand for 15 minutes without being in pain .... I need some

    Encouragement.

    Has anyone lost 130 pounds on a more moderate exercise plan?

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  17. Posted

    I'm slightly afraid to start another topic in this forum but here goes...

    okay so when I went to my teach I was told my sleeve would hold 2 oz. period. and that's all I should put in it at one sitting.. but then I read another post by someone here at the forum that was two weeks out and could drink far more than 2 oz of her Protein Shake, Water, etc at a time.. and someone said it was because the swelling had gone down and liquid runs right through the sleeve so this is normal..

    So then.. how much of my shake should I be drinking once I'm post surgery.. I had planned to make it in 2 oz increments... but apparently this may not be necessary? 0.0 *bit confused*

  18. Posted

    Oh boy.. Well this thing exploded while I was away So I've tagged some people but really everything is for everyone to comment on if they want..

    @@Cari Dickenson - Thank you for caring and warning me. I will definitely be careful. My plan now is to wait until at least 3 months out if not longer. (Sidenote: This thread will probably still be going by that time and I can tack on how it went for me at this rate.)

    And Thank you And for understanding how upset I am that I really never had any opportunity to find a surgeon I mesh with.. This is the root of why I'm choosing to do most of my own research, talk to my PCP, ask here, look for studies... and GASP not always do what my "personal" surgeon recommends.. because.. if I had any realistic choice I'd like to have found someone I mesh with better but since I don't.. I'll make due!

    I've also been warned that the post op and hospital stay can be kind of traumatic.. Thank you for warning me. I'll probably be here looking for support.. I'm planning on taking my laptop just in case I need to reach out for reassurance.

    @@ladyinsouth - a lot of different programs have differing rules about carbonation (like in perrier seltzer Water for instance) and caffeine.. Some suggest to limit them or cut them out and others don't say anything. I was actually suprised to see the caffeine thing because the materials I was given may say diet pop is the devil but they only ask people to limit caffeine to a reasonable level - i.e. two cups of coffee per day - and they can do that right up until surgery and then as soon after as they feel their stomach can tolerate it.. I will look more into the caffeine thing.. it's good to know that might also be an issue I need to consider. I can always choose non-caffeinated diet pop if it becomes a concern :)

    @ - THANK YOU. I couldn't have said it myself.. people have a misperception that I put what I did on the thread because I only wanted people to agree with me and that wasn't it.. it was more I know a LOT of what people have said about NOT drinking diet soda and why.. and I just wanted to know some of the other side of the argument from people who do (Dr. consented or not). I really do try to learn and improve and make good decisions.. And I was hoping for a non-debate so that later if people wanted to use this thread as a resource they could find the information within. Now it's hard to do so because it became a big debate. THAT was why I asked for only nice responses..

    @@LondonHawk - So far all the studies I've found aren't specific in that matter.. but I do figure that as careful as doctors are today about CYA (covering your ass) there wouldn't be very many who permit their patients to drink diet pop if they were finding that everyone who did failed later on... because again CYA I do know that the Michigan doctor's video mentioned that there wasn't a lot of difference in sleeve size (on endoscopy) from those who had surgery and kept the weight off vs those who had the surgery and didn't.. I think that's fairly telling.. I'm not saying the sleeve doesn't grow at -all- but.. apparently the sizes were negligible difference.

    ALL - Remember.. There is a big fundamental difference between a pouch and a sleeve. Pouches are partially made of the fundus (the stretchy part of the stomach and the part that produces the hunger hormone grhellin and are used in bypass.. - pouches therefore can and do stretch far more easily..

    Sleeves on the other hand take out the entire "stretchy" part of the stomach, all of the fundus, and most of the ghrellin producing stuff.. this makes them pretty difficult to stretch much at all.. (At least that's how I understand it) .. I also see merits in pointing out that... the amount of gas required to stretch the sleeve would need to be much more than contained in a can of pop... I would think.. that does make sense to me.. Especially since sleeves are not particularly stretchy..

    but even more... If you think of it as common sense.. if drinking pop continually had the ability to stretch the stomachs of everyone who drank it (sleeve or no sleeve) then everyone who drank pop would have a gigantic stomach and be overweight.... and that's not true.. there are many extremely fit or thin or average sized people who... drink pop.. whether a lot, a little, or medium amount.. I mean I know not everyone has a sleeve but it does sort of make sense.. gas is expelled from the stomach - if it's there by burping and then the stomach goes back to its usual self.. the mechanics of that - as I understand it at least.. don't change just because you get sleeved..

    @ - Preach it please... This is supposed to be a place of support.. We all have things in common... we all want each other to succeed maybe we could try to be kinder to each other.. it's well known what works for one person doesn't always work for another and it's one thing to want another person to succeed so you tell them your opinion (even if they don't want to hear it) and another to try to say your way is the only right way and shove it down everyone's throat.. Let's support each other and be nice to each other.

    @@VSGAnn2014 - I think it might deserve to be submitted for an award -.-

    @@Alex Brecher - I absolutely know this isn't a diet.. It's a lifestyle change.. and it may well be different than other diets I've been on in the past.. I.. wasn't in particular saying I didn't expect that.. More was looking for information from people who do drink diet pop because I know there are people whose doctors allow that and many many of them have posted in this thread.

    @@LondonHawk - I'm afraid I have to respectfully disgaree with what you say about following your own doctor's plan instead of someone else's.. if i hit a stall or need advice it won't be my surgeon I'll go to for advice because he and I don't mesh... which is why I don't feel bad following someone else's doctor's advice.. if I need advice I can come here or if it's really serious I'll go to my PCP who is experienced in bariatric matters.. once my surgery is over and I've completed the necessary requirements I'll be asking everything medical to my PCP and the nutritonist that works with him.. who I mesh with MUCH better (and he for the record didn't have an issue with my drinking pop - he just didn't give me much info on it which was why I asked here.

    @@LipstickLady "You're popular when you have as many haters as you do fans." --- I'm pretty sure I'm well on my way with this thread.

  22. Posted

    Clearly all the information regarding stretching of the sleeve, effects of diet soda on weight loss etc are observational as far as I can tell. I haven't seen any studies on stretching of the sleeve and what causes it besides the obvious overeating and there don't seem to be any causal studies on the effects of diet soda on stretching.

    That being said I don't think a surgeon telling you he believes it will cause stretching or issues or is generally unhealthy and therefore suggesting that you avoid diet soda or carbonation in general makes him a liar, it just means that is his opinion and recommendation. In the absence of evidence physicians often form opinions and care plans based on their personal experience and belief. I would be more concerned if 9 out of 10 surgeons disagreed with that advice but clearly those numbers don't always hold up.

    @Beck90- I would never let a surgeon operate on me if I didn't trust him! You have really got to address this issue with him. Take your studies and have the conversation and satisfy yourself that he is coming at this issue with your health in his mind. If you feel he isn't you need to find another Dr and or another way to fund your surgery. If you have complications this guy is going to be advising you and recommending treatment if your starting position is mistrustful that could be very dangerous.

    @ladyinthsouth- It is great that you can do all that stuff and suffer no ill effect. I have never understood the smoking thing but ce la vie. I have eaten cake, pizza and all the other stuff you can imagine the net result of which is that I weighed 420lbs and had to have my stomach removed in an attempt to change my life so if it is all the same I will operate on the theory that I will NEVER cake and NEVER eat pizza because quite honestly I have eaten enough of those things for probably 10 lifetimes. For some of us this is like alcoholism I want those things, I can have those things, I just choose not to have them today. That is what works for me. Maybe I will feel different later but for this moment that is how I feel. I don't want to be where I was and not eating those things makes it possible. Same with diet soda it was part of an unhealthy life style which I am trying to distance myself from. I don't feel that I can make changes without altering my behavior and my relationship with food. I no longer use food as a treat or a reward. I want to just make the healthiest food choice I can today. I don't think I am in the minority here but maybe I am.

    I mean make make it sound pretty, but he stated as a -fact- (a fact being something repeatedly medically proven by testing) that drinking pop would stretch the sleeve and sabotage the surgery.. He never talked anything about how unhealthy it was (which certainly has its merits but wasn't something he even addressed) In any case.. he stated this as -fact-.. but it is not a fact.. it's actually been proven that that's a complete myth.. so.. to me.. if you perpetuate your OPINION and BELIEF as a FACT rather than your own opinion - that is a lie.

    That said.. I don't distrust him as in like... an incompetant surgeon.. I don't distrust him to handle any complications that come up or advise me on those - he has a great record in that regards.. I just don't trust him to distribute nutritional / eating / sleeve / food / how to live after surgery advice.. which is fine with me.. I can live with that.. I can talk to my PCP (who knows a great deal about bariatrics, has doctored me for a decade and who I would trust unquestioningingly) . I can read medical articles.. I can come here to the forum and find very knowledgable people.. but I really don't have the option to seek out another surgeon.. So I'm making due with what I've got and making the best of the situation. The only other way I could fund my surgery would be to go to Mexico and self pay and I'll just say that's not.. even an option at this point so.. I just have to make the best of the situation and look out for myself.

    In terms of what you said about alcoholism - I think that's a good comparison - for a lot of people it is.. for others its not.. I don't think you're in the minority in wanting to choose ONLY healthy things for your body because that is the way you feel safe.. and that's GOOD. I believe everyone should do what works for them and feels good for them personally. In my case.. I don't feel like my relationship to food is an addiction that I have to be wary of (i.e. that's not how I became overweight) so I don't fear that drinking some diet pop or what not.. will draw me back to the state I'm in now. But for some people that may not be true.. I can only state what I believe to be true in my own personal case.

  23. Posted

    @@Cari Dickenson - I accept your apology.

    I would like to hope that almost everyone who's gotten to the point of being cleared by insurance and is days away from beginning their pre-opp diet really understands what they're getting into and is willing to make the necessary changes :) (Now I'm sure there are some that.. aren't.. but I hope most are!)

    Part of the reason I don't follow everything my surgeon says to the T is because frankly... I don't.. trust surgeons who lie to their patients..

    To explain further: My surgeon had a teach just a couple of weeks ago that all of us being sleeved this month had to attend.. and stated quite plainly that drinking diet pop and using straws will stretch your new sleeve and ruin it.. careful research is telling me this is not true. Granted.. there may be any number of reasons why diet pop isn't that great for any of us - sleeved or not. And there has been (arguable) research about whether the artificial sweeteners in diet pop make you crave sugar more, but there has been absolutely no research showing that straws or diet pop can hurt your sleeve in any way... And I would think as a surgeon specializing in the area... if I can find other surgeons pointing that out.. and read the studies they cite... my own surgeon ought to be able to do to the same.. which means that he either doesn't bother reading recent research (which isn't good) or more likely knows he's lying to me and the rest of us but finds that acceptable if it means that we do what HE thinks is the best course of action.. perhaps he has our best interest at heart.. but lying is still unethical.. So now I don't trust the guy and I'd rather do my own research and ask people here...

    To be fully honest.. I don't like my surgeon.. and now that I found out he has no problem lying to patients.. I don't TRUST him either.. which is worse.. but I'm stuck within my state because Medicaid is paying for my surgery. (This is a problem because I'm right on the state line and some really amazing hospitals are less than an hour away from me just across state line.. but I can't utilize them).. the oher potential hospitals are up around Chicago.. 4+ hours from me or in Springfield 3+ hours from me (and that one requires a mandatory weekly support group in person.. ) So I was really only left with one single hospital to go to.. and at that one single hospital... they don't give you any choice or say about what surgeon you get assigned.. For the most part 1 surgeon does about 80% of the sleeves and if you don't like him you aren't allowed to request the other... Same thing with the nutritionist.. They only have two.. and if you don't like the one you have.. too bad you're just stuck with her..

    So.. in this cruddy situation.. I don't feel like I have a lot of options. But I DO feel safer researching on my own and asking people here than I do trusting a surgeon who I didn't mesh with to begin with but who then really broke my respect by being willing to lie to his patients :\

  24. Posted

    OMG that app is so cuuuuuteee I have to have it. Now.

    When you lose weight and have more room in your torso, your bladder will be able to hold more. I am shocked at how long I urinate for now. Sometimes in the morning I get almost bored waiting for it to end.

    Anyway it will probably be hard for you to get to 64 for a while anyway, and the Fluid in your food and Protein counts too. We get hydration from everything we eat and drink, even coffee.

    What is this!? The Water in our food counts too? How do we count Fluid when it comes from water.. I mean a Protein shake is pretty easy or coffee.. or low cal juice etc.. it's just the fluid ounces but how do you count the fluid from food!?

    Also even though it's hard isn't it like absolutely vitally important to be able to drink the 64?

  25. Posted

    Anyone else besides me getting sleeved on May 31st. I definitely need some people to stick together with while I go through this. I start my pre-opp diet (which is not nearly as awful as some of the ones I've heard about on here thank goodness!) on the 18th! I'm going out for Hibachi and Sushi the evening of the 17th which is my favorite just to enjoy it - not saying goodbye.. I'll have it again someday but it may be several months so I need to get a last crack at it :D

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