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  1. Not to be a buzz kill, but collagen Protein is worthless. I mean, it's not even debatable. Collagen protein is just a low-quality protein formed of only three amino acids. (glycine, proline, and hydroxyproline) And those are not even essential. Meaning our body can make them out of other dietary amino acids.

    Any high-quality protein will have a PDCAAS score of at least 70, and often 90-100 (the maximum). Gold Standard whey for example has a PDCAAS score of 99. Collagen has a paltry score of about 14-16.

    If you absolutely must have collagen protein in the belief that it helps skin elasticity (which has been debunked), eat Pork rinds or jell-o. They are made of the exact same thing AND have been reviewed by the FDA; which incidentally is the reason they have the disclaimer "Not a significant source of protein". supplements are not reviewed by the FDA so they don't have to put that information on the package.

    Oh, and collagen protein powders can cost twice as much as whey.

  2. Before you get your hopes up, unflavored does not mean that it is tasteless. It only means that there is no artificial flavoring added to it. It still has a taste and it is not appealing at all. I could only use it in strong Soups like a curry or Tomato.

    And before anyone recommends it, genpro is snake oil and crap. Avoid it like the plague. Also, any Protein that boasts about having collagen or Gelatin as the protein source is crap as well. It is literally worthless. Same thing as sugar free gelatin or Pork rinds.

    The best protein honestly, it's the one that you can tolerate and will actually use. Brand, flavor, isolate or concentrate... all of that is pointless if you cannot stand using it. Just personal experience. I settled on one of the more trusted brands and have stuck by it because it tastes good to me. Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard whey concentrate. Isopure is another trusted brand, but I didn't like any of the isolates textures.

  3. 4 hours ago, qnz234 said:

    It's been so long since i've made a post. Im almost 6 years post op, and about a year ago i decided to get into powerlifting. i've gotten some gains, muscles AND fat. now im trying to lose the fat, and keep the muscle. i also dont eat a ton of meat. in fact, i prefer not to. i know one person who started bodybuilding after wls, however they eat meat. They also told me that they take in a lot of calories.

    is there anyone else here who powerlifts and understand my dilemma? i feel like i have to go back to the very basics and watch every single thing that i eat. that is so annoying and time consuming.

    There is a lot going on here and I will do my best to address it. You said that you have gained muscle and fat, good news is that is exactly how it is supposed to work. True increase in strength cannot happen without an increase in body fat. The good news is that the increase muscle mass makes it easier to burn that fat when you decide to do a what is called a cut.

    I purposefully said increase in strength and not size. Hypertrophy is not the same as "swole" Increased muscle size from high rep & low weight will really only increase the volume of the existing muscle tissue (1). High weight, low volume will strengthen existing muscle tissue (2). Hypertrophy is the tearing and healing from high weight and high volume. (3)

    1 does not require much of a calorie surplus. 2 & 3 do require a surplus, and usually the more the better. That is where the increase in fat comes from. That is the reserve the body calls upon to do the work.

    If you are powerlifting, strength is the primary concern. If you are bodybuilding, aesthetics are the primary. There is nothing wrong with either, but they require different approach. However, either approach will require that you have Protein as high as you can manage. If you prefer not to eat meat, whey is king of the protein supplements, or dairy as a real food. Plant based protein has a very low bioavalability compared to whey or any meat. Soy is about the best plant based protein, but it is at best 70% bioavalable compared to whey's 90-ish. So you will need to eat more to get the same benefit. However, the calories are still there. So more calories are necessary for the same protein.

    As for tracking, Last I looked, I have logged every single bite I have eaten for the last 1500+ days. It just became a habit and something that takes the place of the ritual I had with food. I have a incredible detailed log. There is an example in my images on my profile page if you are interested.

  4. Outstanding work on the squat & deadlift! The bench will come in time, that pause at the bottom is so hard to come out of!

    Two things surprised me. First, you squat & deadlift in chucks?! I would have thought that you would have dedicated lifting shoes with a hard plastic or wooden sole. Second, they had you lifting on rubber foam pads? I would have though they would have deadlift platforms. Not that you needed it, but between a hard sole lifting shoe and hard flooring/platform, you could eek out another 5lbs on those two lifts.

    Regardless of those things, truly inspirational work man. Immense respect and a smidge of jealously!

  5. I'm surprised our bench (mine is 197) is so similar with your deadlift and squat so much higher than mine. Are those your working set weight or one rep max? Also, out of curiosity, what is your OHP? Mine is stuck at 127, but I am thinking I am being limited by past back injuries. After seeing your deadlift number, I am leaning to that being my weak point.

    So damned glad to see this stuff on here. Truly inspirational.

  6. Actually, the hydrochloric acid in your stomach makes short work of any chewing gum. The main issues are the same with people who have ulcers; with unintentional swallowing of air which can cause bloating, and the increase of digestive juices because your body reacts to the chewing in preparation of food intake. Constant chewing of gum can actually deplete your digestive secretions and lessen your ability to break down nutrients when you actually do eat food.

  7. A lot of this will depend on how far out you are and what type of exertion you are doing. Excess Protein is not really a concern in the short term. It will be used eventually by your body. There is a myth that has been hanging around forever that the body can only utilize 30 grams of protein at a time, but that has been debunked countless times. Excessive amounts of protein that are unnecessary however can be hard on the kidneys.

    I routinely have 150+ grams of protein a day, but I do strenuous lifting. Are you doing intense workouts that require that much protein? Also, if you are getting that much protein in by dinner time, are you getting it from supplements or real food? If you can consistently hit 100 grams of protein, you don't really need the supplements anymore and real food will contribute to satiety better than powder or bars.

    If you are over your protein goals, just focus on your healthy vegetables for the Vitamins and minerals.

  8. At this point, I can tell when it's head hunger and boredom versus the need for sustenance. When I am head hungry, I just drink or try to get busy with something.

    You can tell when it's head hunger when you have taken in enough Protein and carbs to meet your macros, yet you want to eat.

  9. Believe it or not, gaining weight is accomplished the same way as losing it. Counting calories and tracking macros. You say you eat 100 grams of Protein a day, that will only account for roughly 400 calories; what makes up the rest of your daily intake? I've switched over to higher fat foods like nuts, seeds, and real cream in my coffee. I make a point to get my carbs in too. If you are only eating dense protein, not all of that will go towards tissue repair, you body will have to use some of it for fuel.

    It takes a while of experimenting to find the mix that works for you, but you need to find how much carbs and fats to take in for fuel and then protein for repair and muscle mass gain. I was able to put on about 20 lbs of muscle after hitting goal, 198 back up to 225. There is a little more fat on my than before, but it is where it needs to be for lifting and my reserves. It comes off pretty rapidly when I stop working out and eating for fuel.

  10. Oh man, finally a topic I can talk in! I sous vide all the damn time now. I do meal prep for the week with mine. I went with the Joule from ChefSteps. While I don't like the fact that there are not controls on the circulator (everything is done via smartphone), it consistently wins the comparisons because of it's ability to maintain temp and speed at which it brings the Water up to temp. Plus it has a magnetic base so you can use antique turkey pans as sous vide containers!

    I have sous vide entire pork butts, beef brisket, turkeys, fish... you name a meat , I've sous vide it. Hands down the best steak I ever ate was from my sous vide. And it was a cheap skirt or flank steak. Veggies are actually more of a pain in my opinion, but they are not that bad. I highly recommend getting good vacuum sealer if you plan on doing long cooks. Brisket takes over 36 hours.

    So far, my absolute favorite thing to do right now are the Butterball turkey roasts. They are breasts & dark meat netted together. I will stuff a couple pieces of back into the netting, season the meat however I feel like that day, then I will smoke it for about 2 hours. Pull it from the smoker and then vacuum seal it and plop it in the sous vide until I am ready for dinner. I swear you will never have a better bite of smoked turkey.

  11. I don't comment that much anymore, but there is so much misinformation in this thread that it needs to be addressed.

    A sleeved stomach will never "stretch out" to normal size. Swelling will subside, scar tissue will soften, but stretching out just doesn't happen. It can't. The fundus was removed. However; frequent and constant over eating can weaken the esophageal sphincter and/or the pylorus.

    With the esophageal sphincter weakening you would experience frequent heartburn. With the weakened pylorus, food just gets pushed out of the stomach before the bulk of digestion can happen. This leads to a decrease in satiety and more frequent eating.

    Either your doctor doesn't know what he is talking about, or he is just telling you something in "layman terms". But that does neither you nor the community any good since it just perpetuates the belief that a sleeve can be stretched.

  12. I'll chime in, just because I haven't seen it mentioned yet. The effective use of snacking in a diet plan is going to also depend on what kind of a relationship you had with food pre-surgery.

    Me personally; I was a bulk eater. I would eat once or twice a day, but in huge volume. Now 4 years post op, I snack all the time to meet my macros. My average caloric intake is 2,000. Someone else at my stage may get that in their 3 meals a day, but I prefer to control my hunger throughout the day so that I don't try and over eat.

    If you were a grazer pre-op, snacking might not be a good idea.

  13. If your goal is a straighter back, it would be best to strengthen the muscles of the back and not the abdominal muscles. If it is a prominent lower back (lumbar) rounding, deadlifts or a similar exercise would be the best. If it is the upper back (thoracic) then upright rows or shoulder presses would be a good idea.

    If you are not really into weight lifting, a rowing machine is a great way to get all of the back involved at one time. The strength gains will take longer, but the endurance will build fast and it is a killer cardio workout.

  14. IT is also possible he is using your interaction as a bragging point to whomever is listening. Doesn't matter the age, the male ego is a silly thing and he may be using these obviously mundane conversations as examples of the attention he brags about to the men in his group.

    Or it could just be that he isn't very good at dealing with the opposite sex.

  15. 17 hours ago, Mhy12784 said:

    Well I'm maxing out my Protein daily, so excess is just wasted calories.

    It depends on how much weight lifting you are doing really. If the excess protein is just wasted calories, then the carbs would be as well. Carbs are just for fuel, protein for synthesis and normal body functions. If you are getting enough of each, then your activity level needs to be adjusted. If you are moving too much for your current intake, ease up a little bit. If your activity level is too low and calories too high, more movement will be necessary.

    Maybe look into getting your BMR (basal metabolic rate) tested?

  16. You have me confused actually, if you are wanting to add lean body mass, carbs aren't the way to do it. Carbs are very important for Protein synthesis, true - but a diet dominated by carbs will not produce muscle mass. You'll need the protein for that.

    oatmeal is my go-to carb personally. Love the stuff. I cannot eat Pasta anymore, it feels like it gets stuck at the top of my stomach even now. Carrots, quinoa, barley, sweet potatoes, real pumpernickel bread, Beans, smoked basmati rice... those are carbs I can think of off the top of my head that I eat on a regular basis. And they don't give me a huge sugar spike that leaves me feeling awful.

  17. I have arthritis everywhere. The x-rays even cause the technicians to gasp when they look at them the first time! I have been on Voltaren for at least 10 years, the last 3.5 being post op sleeve. I am gleefully down to only one a day that I take with omeprazole.

    That being said, I never miss a scheduled doctor appointment and we keep an eye on it. Not everyone will develop ulcers, but if it starts I'll have to drop the only arthritis medicine that has given me any relief.