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There’s debate on whether your carbs must be that low, what does your doctors plan say? I kept mine that low during my loss phase. Simple tweak is to get rid of the oatmeal. I didn’t add that back in till I was at goal. Check the carbs in your shakes, some are higher than others. I chose one with no carbs. Also check your soup, some have higher carbs than others. Does your Greek yogurt have added sugar? There’s another spot you could lower the carbs.

We often say on this board they operate on our stomachs not our brains. Have you considered therapy to deal with the mental part of this? Helped me a lot getting my head on straight before.

Sure go ahead and start one I don’t want to hijack the OP’s thread

Oh also it takes fewer and fewer calories to maintain as we loss. A 150lb body may maintain at 1200 calories while a 200lb body loses. So constant course correction is necessary

Possible? Yeah... Common or likely? No. It’s usually not being aware and creep of choices or portions. NOT saying this is true of the OP, just what’s more typical. Tracking and weighing or measuring will usually help ya find the culprit. Eyeballing portions can be accurate when we’ve been weighing but when we haven’t it’s not as accurate.

If they are weird compliments take them in the spirit they are meant and say “thanks!” If you suspect otherwise then laugh and say “I sure hope not” and don’t let it linger and rent space in your brain!

Sending good thoughts your way!

Meh, it would have made me go “huh?” Then I would have thought she might have meant it as a compliment (however misguided) then I would have realized it said nothing about me and everything about her. Then it would have been out of my mind and life....no use letting it rent space in your mind.

Yeah I agree I’ve had a tummy tuck and a c section and I can totally see it for those but not necessary for laprascopic surgery like this or my gallbladder.

I honestly don’t even know who the moderators are. How do we find them? I’ve been in here for years and have no clue!

Who are the moderators? How do we identify them? I only know Alex! BTW I don’t know what camp you put me in, but I lost all my weight well past menopause. Didn’t know if you knew that. I also weighed just under 300 at my highest, though my surgery pre op weight was 271

Ah now see that’s exactly what I’m saying too... the “I would never want to get too thin, I would look sickly at 160” is pissing on others too. Don’t piss on those of us busting our butts to get lower! I’ve never busted anyone’s butt who stays higher. In fact I often talk about “health pounds” versus “vanity pounds.”

I am definitely blunt! I have been known to be rude on occasion. Nasty is never appreciated. All I am saying is nasty is different than bullying and I wish people would recognize that. Tell me to knock it off, tell me I’m being rude, heck say “that was nasty and uncalled for” but to call it bullying is to, in my not so humble opinion, lessen what victims of actual bullying experience. It also makes the person crying “bully” lose some credibility.

Why are we so quick to call “bully?” By it’s very definition it’s very difficult to bully on an internet board— “Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power, which distinguishes bullying from conflict. Behaviors used to assert such domination can include verbal harassment or threat, physical assault or coercion, and such acts may be directed repeatedly towards particular targets. Rationalizations of such behavior sometimes include differences of social class, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, behavior, body language, personality, reputation, lineage, strength, size or ability.” Is it because we are primed to see it because of our history? That is all.

They are! They are the before and after threads. They were a wonderful motivation for me pre op and while I lost weight. And I revisit them now!

I guess it’s the judgement that bristles me—I don’t care what their goal is either. Saying “I would look sickly at 160” when they’ve never been 160 and that happens to be more than what I weight at the same height... well I guess I should take that personally but heck we’ve all been fat shamed I get sensitive to the opposite now.

I guess what I bristle at is the idea that they believe they will “look sickly” at a normal/healthy weight. First how do they know if they’ve never been. Second why are they basing it on looks rather than health. Third when they claim that weighing more than I do at my height will look “sickly” I admit I feel like that’s judgemental—skinny bashing if you will. Your method of determining your goal is great. Yes BMI is flawed. But I find those who arbitrarily pick a goal that is still obese strange. I’m all for accepting your best. I didn’t set a goal. I just think when people say a particular weight that is still obese is “sickly” looking... well I think that’s a sign of our society as a whole becoming too overweight and healthy weights becoming rare. I don’t like it.

My plan allowed any no calorie sweetener. I too tried to rid myself of my sweet tooth as much as possible, but I did use artificially sweetened protein powder/drinks. I was still able to break the sweet habit/cravings. I prefer Splenda but also use stevia.

So@creekimp13 I totally get what you are saying. Question—what do you think about people who set their goal at numbers that are still obese? I just bristle when they say they know they will look sickly at a normal BMI when they’ve never been at a normal BMI as an adult.

They need to change the title. Pre op weight loss IMPROVES WLS outcomes. IMPROVES is an action word... we don’t know that the pre op weight loss is what’s acting on the outcomes... that is a causal statement not a correlational one. It should say “is associated with” or even “predicts better outcomes” either of those statements could be argued. No, the statement is not fair. It states that the one acts on the other. I’m a statistician, it was my College minor. It’s not subjective. Is it predictive? Yes, the article shows that it is statistically predictive. But the title states causation. Sorry to be a stickler but it loses credibility by stating it in that way. I think the study has some power and validity, so I wish it wouldn’t have undermined that with the title. It’s a great springboard for future study.

Correlation is not causation. Random assignment is necessary in experimental design to determine cause. Hopefully they will continue to research whether pre op weight loss does improve outcomes. I didn’t have a pre op diet. I lost more than 100% of my weight and have kept it off. I know others with pre op success have as well.

Another thought... there was a member on here that talked about this as weight MAINTENANCE surgery not weight loss surgery. That’s a huge distinction to me and one I embrace. And that is my measure of success. If I can maintain 150 that’s a success, not that I lost to 135. Long ago a weight watches leader said if you could take a pill and stay at a weight forever—never again gain but never again lose either—the highest weight at which you would be willing to take that pill is a realistic goal. At the time for me that was 165. I was much younger then! So I’m all good!

I would love to hear from anyone who had their Bariatric surgery done at Mayo. Curious what their post op diet recommendations are. The link above is great but not specific to WLS patients. This is all I could find online with a quick search— https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/gastric-bypass-surgery/in-depth/gastric-bypass-diet/art-20048472 And it says— “Focus on high-protein foods. Immediately after your surgery, eating high-protein foods can help you heal. High-protein, low-fat choices remain a good long-term diet option after your surgery, as well. Try adding lean cuts of beef, chicken, pork, fish or beans to your diet. Low-fat cheese, cottage cheese and yogurts also are good protein sources.” But no specific or long term recommendations. Also will be great when there are long term studies that show the results of different diet plans and choices.

This is a weird one for me, I too see both sides. I think some of it boils down to individual temperament and personality differences... motivation and learning are powerful things and different for different people, so are the reasons we became morbidly obese. I was a power through follow the rules to the 10000th degree type during my weight loss phase. That said, I actually never set a goal weight, so I can’t fully relate to either side. I set interim goals....under 200, less than my husband, size 10, my wedding weight, my lightest adult weight.... And then I waited to see where my body settled. It totally found a “new normal” on its own. And honestly, while I know the science—always have those fat cells and less restriction and sliders.... at going on five years out with the changes I have made habit wise and the changes I truly feel have happened hormone wise or gut bacteria wise or whatever I do feel it would honestly be very hard for me to become morbidly obese again. I have gained.... when I go crazy and throw caution to the wind I can get up to 150....but I don’t gain beyond that. And it’s easy to get back down to 140. 135 is harder... I have to fight for that and sometimes it’s worth it and sometimes it’s not. I don’t go hungry. I eat. I have added carbs—fruit mostly—and occasional treats(usually a cookie or brownie, occasionally some French fries). Other things I am still quite strict about—bread/wheat pasta/rice are still off the table completely. I am part of another weight loss group that’s runners.... most have not had weight loss surgery. We talk about health pounds versus vanity pounds. Nothing at all wrong with vanity pounds. When I want to stay at 135 and fight to get there that’s about those vanity pounds and nothing at all wrong with that. But when I get up to 150 I have still lost the HEALTH pounds and I can’t beat myself up over the vanity pounds. That is where I personally need to let the perfectionism go sometimes. Because sometimes living life... going wine tasting for my sisters bridal shower, baking Christmas cookies with my kids, etc... well those things are sometimes more important than the vanity pounds. And for me personally, I don’t think those things are a slippery slope leading me back to morbid obesity. For me personally things have changed at a fundamental level—some of it is biology, I am not drawn to food like I used to be, some foods just don’t sit well with me and I still have great restriction. Some are habit. But I feel.... NORMAL. Like every other almost 50 year old woman who has to be careful but isn’t in some barely under control freight train that could jump the rails.

Absolutely women do it!!! I’ve done several.... 25k is my next trail goal! Ive done from 5k on up on the trails. The great thing about the trail ones are the folks are so much more mellow/low key and supportive than the ones who race on roads for the most part. Lots of people who switch between walking/hiking and running too so very beginner friendly.