jess9395

Curious, how did you know? I’ve heard a good rule of thumb is if any food (ie something on your plan like a Protein Shake or yogurt) will satisfy then it’s real hunger... if you want a specific taste or sensation (salty, crunchy) or food (cookie, burger or even a healthy food) then it’s head hunger.

Just so you know post op a growling stomach doesn’t necessarily mean hunger. Mine talks when it’s digesting nonstop! I’m 4.5 years out and can’t eat or drink within like2 hours of bedtime or it keeps me awake! Sometimes it even keeps hubby awake!

Curious. What’s the reason?

Yup. My surgeon is the only one writhin a 90 min radius and while the meetings are open to anyone, only the pre ops and newbies go.

Sampling products or recepies is one thing, but in general I think everyone—not just Bariatric patients—needs to get away from the idea of associating all social activities with food, whether it is offered or pushed. From movies to business meetings to dates to celebrations, we always feel the need to involve food and personally I think that’s a good habit to break, and I think a WLS support group is a good place to do that. Heck I remember scout meetings of an hour or hour and a half and we all needed to take turns as snack parent. Even now at my kids HS drama performances we do the same for intermission fund raising. One of the shows is only 95 mins long. We can all go without food for that long.

Ah! Hard to tell on a message board sometimes!

Unjury! That’s it!

Honestly this stage passes quickly and until then sometimes we have to just buck up and drink the medicine even if we don’t like it. That’s assuming she just hates it and it doesn’t make her puke. There are unflavored powders as well (quest makes one) that you can add to things. Everyone has great ideas but often they don’t contain enough protein to be effective in the early days, There’s one brand that makes a chicken broth flavor... can’t remember which brand maybe someone knows!

I wish my doc’s Office had a better one. It’s once a month and aimed mostly at pre ops and those in the first couple of months.

I find the thought of a WLS support group offering food sort of odd. I think they should encourage breaking the habit of associating food with events like that. We can make it through a few hour meeting without food.

Nope doesn’t happen to everyone and happens to a different extent in different people. Keeping your nutrition on point and your protein up can help, but some is unavoidable for many of us, here’s a good explanation— http://drnichter.com/hair-loss-after-surgery-explained/ Mine did NOT get dry and in fact has been healthier post op than t ever was before, but my nutrition is on point and I get all my protein and water in, so that may help, I don’t know!

I didn’t because I wanted to be able to put it up in a ponytail or messy bun. The messy bun especially saved me during the hair loss phase!

It’s both. The heavier you age the more you need (and generally men are heavier) but it’s also about the muscle mass and men have a higher percentage of muscle mass at the same weight. That said any guidelines are based on the medical professionals education and experience and guidelines not absolute science at this point, because the science doesn’t exist yet. You picked your surgeon and their team because you trust their opinions and judgement. Some recommend 60g for all women some recommend 100g for everyone some base it on weight or activity level.

In this study whey supplements led to weight loss while collagen ones did not— https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19465192/

I actually went there right after I asked for links. All I found were ones related to a very small difference in the appearance cellulite that only existed in normal weight women ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4685482/ ) and a few about the effect on skin (wrinkles and elasticity) where the results were small, negligible, mixed or not statistically significant. So maybe I am not searching the right terms? Or maybe the research you refer to is new/proprietary/hasn’t been published yet? Could you help a girl out here?

That’s awesome!

Undergoing general anesthesia and surgery is definitely a trauma. I lost the same amount of hair at the same month post op from my gastric sleeve, my plastic surgery, my gallbladder surgery and my wrist surgery. Nutrition is another cause of hair loss. So always a good plan to keep it on point. But for some all the best nutrition in the world won’t stop it.

Can you provide some links to this extensive scientific research on dietary collagen? I love reading new science! Thanks!

This is just not true. It can make things worse, but please read this for a detailed explanation of how ANY surgery can result in hair loss— http://drnichter.com/hair-loss-after-surgery-explained/

Some can be avoided by getting proper nutrition—vitamins and protein. Some is unavoidable due to telogen effluvium unfortunately.

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@jenn1 I think you meant this for@justlee not me! I was replying to her. But... if you do a search here or even on google, yes you can definitely regain years out as a bypass patient! If you eat all day long, drink your calories, eat sliders or high calorie foods and sweets... it’s quite easy to “eat around” a bypass just like a sleeve.

48 here, sleeved in late 2013. Had my last period last year so I get the whole menopause thing. BUT.... my personal experience (and all it is is that) is that the more carbs I eat, be they added sugar, bread, pasta... heck even fruit and yogurt... the hungrier I am. And yup, for sweets! New research is showing that we cultivate certain types of bacteria in our gut and when we crave sugar it’s to feed the type of bacteria that crave it. It you starve them out you are much better off! Though trial and error I have found my limits where I can get Fiber and such into my diet (some berries, half an apple, whole grain cereal) and Calcium (Greek yogurt w no sugar... I have parathyroid issues so Calcium is big for me)... without triggering the appetite/cravings. Also yeah exercise is key... and I get the energy thing... but there I will say again, for me personally, if I get out there and push past the “tired” next time I am less tired. Takes about a month consistently (I’ve had to come back after injuries laid me up) for the “let’s go” to outweigh the “tired.” I’m a runner (love saying that cuz I was NEVER an athlete pre op) and I run 25-30 miles most weeks. Some days I want to run, other days I’m dragging but so it anyway. And the draggy fades away after I get into it. So... yeah some docs will do a re-sleeve where they make it tighter. Conversion to bypass is an option with most as well. BUT really all it will do is give you that “honeymoon” window again. Which isn’t to say that’s a bad thing, but it won’t last either. It might give you an opportunity to make changes though. What do you eat now?

But if you freeze it and put it through one of those Yonanas machines or a food processor and then eat it... well how is that different than you chewing it to nothing? It’s not like juice where you actually remove parts (the fiber). You eat the whole fruit when you make these concoctions, don’t you? Trying to figure this out! Just a note—I avoided pretty much all fruit for six months or so and then added in berries (with Greek yogurt) and apples (with peanut butter) sparingly till a year then at goal I started to add back fruits. I never did any of the sugar free popsicles or ice creams till I had been at goal for a while and now I do the halo types on occasion.

A quick search says fiber is retained when frozen— https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/are-frozen-fruits-and-vegetables-as-nutritious-as-fresh/ But I’m open to seeing some evidence about the fiber being lost