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Plain i am sorry if You thought i was attacking or going on the defensive. I am not as tactful on forums as i am in person. I understand the plights of other oppressed people in this country and others and For those people who were mistreated and oppressed as a community they should rise and make any grievances known and if they are upset then say something . Cheryl Ann You are right. Education is the key but try to see where i am coming from where as you see the greatest and most free country in the world(witch it is ) a great many in the black community see not only that; but the country who oppressed us in the first place. And the reason for the anger is that the Holocaust has spawned a great many debate about genocide and oppression and peace where as the black community feels as though in many cases America has just tried to sweep slavery under the rug. Out of Sight Out of Mind. Gloucester I would never diminish the plight or any people especially the Native American people, I was simply pointing out that The Irish Population were Immigrants, Not slaves who were old as property. No you are not wrong African were selling captured Africans, But does that diminish the atrocity of the situation? Even todaymost African nationalities and cultures look down on the American Black community. We hear the stories the picture of our slave ancestors are still in the houses of my elders. When Native American and treated unjustly this day in age their community stands up and makes them self heard same with the Jewish and Asian communities. No 400 years of special treatment is not necessary, but this community will be happy when we don't have to look over our shoulders from our own country. Why is it ok For the US to SWEEP their sins under the rug, And why is it misunderstood and questioned when the offended party stands up and says know we are still here you will not be swept under the rug. The the Germans tries to DO that the International community would have a fit. Just because i don't include all races and plights in my arguments doesn't mean that they wouldn't benefit from the solution. Thanks for the responses, guys this is great.

Im not saying that anyones plight is worse .... but its bad enough for Black people to Choose to make our plight visible. I personally believe that the Native American Asians and other oppressed peoples should stand up and make their own grievances known and visible. Its not wrong for black people to stand up and talk about Black issues and fight for the issues that face our community. You mention that Other communities had had issues as well. I absolutely agree and if they want their issues in the lime light then stand up, protest, start dialog and rise up as a community together and make someone listen to you. As black people have done, and remember the Germans ran the Concentration camps not Americans. I am speaking on the faults of this country towards my people not to trivialize or Diminish the struggles of any other community.

For how long, And how did your Irish ancestors get here??? And Who says that this nations debt to the Native American people has been paid?... and sad to say but at least they were paid; it wasing the best situation but they were hear on their will. Yes that has always been prejudices and if we had chose to come here i would be right beside you crying hurt like everyone else but thats not how we got here. We were slaves no rights no names just property below dogs on the totem pole and you wanna make the same claim of prejudices for immigrants. I'm sorry my friend it does not compare, and anyway its not a competition; for you as immigrants you had it hard yes, but what i am talking about is 400 years inhumane ownership of a people. And after that every major gain my people took was made my a amendment to the damn constitution. lol Black people never said we all don't have history. i don't understand why people hate that we want to stand up and say we are here and we have been wronged.

I know that majority of people would love to move on but its hard because everywhere we turn we see only the bad we have to reference point to fall back to. The Holocaust was horrible but their ancestors and reletives are far removed from the place of their torment. The people in this country will never stop being angry about 911. For black people there to this day hasn't been a liberation so to speak, Blacks went from slavery to an institutionalized racismsegregation that took this country another hundred years to get to the point where we are today. We must remember for every Barack Obama, or Maya Angelou, Sydney Poitier there are hundreds that couldn't stay in the school or was intimidated by the masses, or didn't get that lucky break. This country robbed the Black here of their heritage, African Americans can only trace their linage back as far as when we got off the boat. How can you teach people why they should strive and work hard work hard when you can tell them where they come from who their ancestors were. The American Black Community is like a tall tree with no roots. Some leaders in our community want reparations. I say screw that; establish a organization that can reconnect a lost community with their roots that cant do that for everyone but they have enough information that through research and DNA they can trace peoples linage back over the Middle Passage, its not easy but it can be done. Thats how you start to address the Anger that lies within the African American community. :thumbup:i love this forum people her will talk and have a real discussion about anything:thumbup: But i thing we all can agree its time to start erasing the hate and anger.

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That will only work for some... Because the pain and frustration is still being felt in Vast parts of America. I happen to live in a Highly diverse community in the SF Bay. But how can you tell a person who around during the Tuskegee experiments. Or who marched in Birmingham when the dogs were released. How do you tell a person in that situation to Get over it its in the past. I am 25 and i would like to do nothing but to move on and start anew but when i see racial injustice that is still institutionalized and when i speak to my grandmother and talk to her about her life. i cant help but to be a little frustrated and it makes it a lot harder for me to just say I'm over it. Most people get stories in a paper, I get events from peoples lives, i know these people. There is fear and anger on both sides of this issue. You say your mother is racist; but did You ever ask her why?

Preach...:thumbup: i didn't even know there was a organization that tracked that data i think i would be interesting to check out my area.

PC laws yup thats exactly what the run of the mill politician throws at the race issue. The whole Political Correctness march has lead to what i like to call the PUSSIFICATION of America, WE are so wound up that me are afraid to hurt someones feelings or be looked at the wrong way.... but thats a topic for another thread... coming soon I want to talked to like the adults that i am don't worry about hurting my feelings, On the day Obama gave that speech he spoke to Americans As Adults and it scared people.

thanks in advance for your Honesty in the Poll

Unfortunately it kind of does matter i mean we can all stick our heads in the sand when it comes to the racial issue of this country but lets think about it race is a issue in this country. And there is a reason that half the country is looking high and low for a way to discredit Obama and there is a reason that the News affiliates will not stop talking about it. Why when Rev Wright says gd America and is more or less drawn and quartered by the press but when John Hagee gets up and says things that are every bit as inflammatory no one says any thing.(The Anniston Star ? James L. Evans: Extreme religious endorsements) And though the US government may not have introduces AIDS to black ... which is absurd, the sentiments did not come out of no where (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762136.html)(Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)(NPR : Remembering the Tuskegee Experiment)(The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment) I am not trying to get anyone angry or anything but i have been posting here a lot and just wanted to get an idea of peoples stances. The racial problems in this country will not go away by just saying " its in the past Get over it" So that being said i believe it is a issue and i just wanted to start a dialog. At least thats what i hope to start. ADDITION: I added some articles to show precedence to the examples that i used.

Growing number say country ready for black president Posted: 04:01 PM ET WASHINGTON (CNN) — A new poll suggests that the number of Americans who believe the country is ready for a black president is on the rise. Seventy-six percent of those polled in a CNN/Essence Magazine/Opinion Research Corporation poll released Thursday say that the country is ready. That's up 14 points from December 2006, at the start of the presidential campaign. "Some of the increase in the number of Americans who say the country is ready for a black president is a simple recognition of Barack Obama's success in the Democratic primaries," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director. "We're not asking this question in a vacuum. In many cases, respondents must have had Obama in mind when giving their answer, even though he is not mentioned anywhere in the questionnaire." The senator from Illinois is locked in a battle with Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York for the Democratic presidential nomination. Obama currently leads Clinton in states won, delegates pledged, and in the overall popular vote in the primaries and caucuses held so far this year. The poll also indicates that more white Americans than African-Americans think the country is ready for a black president. Seventy-eight percent of white Americans surveyed say the country is ready, as opposed to only 69 percent of African-Americans polled. Both numbers are up substantially from December 2006. "Drawing on their own life experience, blacks are a little more skeptical than whites," said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political analyst. "But blacks, too, have come around, particularly after the Iowa caucuses demonstrated that Obama could win in an overwhelmingly white electorate." Holland added, "Among blacks, the belief that the country is ready for an African-American president is highest among blacks who share traits with Obama. Optimism about the country's acceptance of a black president is higher among black men than among black women, higher among college-educated blacks than among those with no college degree, and higher among younger blacks than older blacks." The poll also suggests that more Americans think the country is ready for a black president than a woman president. Sixty-three percent of those surveyed said that the country is ready for a female president. That's 13 points lower than those who say the country is ready for black president. "Do Americans see more prejudice against a woman than an African-American," Schneider asked. "More likely, they see more negative feelings about this woman than about this African-American. Because it's true. More people have an unfavorable opinion of Hillary Clinton than of Barack Obama." It's also important to note that the poll asked whether the country is ready for a black or woman president, not whether the respondent would vote for a black or woman president. "Few people will acknowledge their own prejudices, but they will answer whether they think the country is ready to elect a black or woman president," Schneider said. The CNN/Essence Magazine/Opinion Research Corporation survey was released on the eve of the 40th anniversary of the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. The poll was conducted by telephone from March 26 to April 2, with 2,184 Americans questioned, including 1,014 blacks and 1,001 whites. The survey's margin of error is plus or minus 2 percentage points for the overall sample and plus or minus 3 percentage points for the questions asked just of black or white Americans.

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Those are great but not necessarily what I was talking about. From the reading I did a Ah ha moment is when you come to the inevitable conclusion that your fat. My body and I had that conversation long ago, and addressed it. (Sort of) A last straw is a defining embarrassing moment I will use myself for example. My last straw was a late summer day in 06 A group of friends and I went to Great America and I had not noticed how much bigger I had gotten. So I went to my safe rides (rides that I know I could fit in) and much to my chagrin I could no longer fit in any ride in the park minus a few that I wasn’t going on in my new K Swiss. That for me wasn’t enough to make my ego dip, but when combined with the chair collapsed under my weight at the after party that seemed to stop the world from spinning. That was the last straw and something had to be done about my weight. <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> That’s what I mean when I say your last straw.

What was your Last straw. I said that i would never get WLS said it for years... but there there was a straw the fell on my camel and broke its back. SO do you have a straw?

Nail on the proverbial head... Ill be damned if i am going to put all this time effort and energy in to bettering myself to get romantically involved with someone who is not willing, or doesn't want to put in that same effort. I; even now am a active person. but i wanna get back to the better things in life, i was a jock in HS and wouldn't mind going back to that; i miss talking a horse out when i go to Tahoe. I get scared to go out on a wave runner alone cause i may not be able to pull my frame out of the Water and back on the machine if i fall and i aways fall cause i like to ride the wakes of bigger boats. I want my fucking life back and i want little or no reminders of the me that exist now.(fine as i may be)

The most frustrating part for me is that I do feel that I have been out of a relationship for too long but... I am not willing to settle... I could be in a relationship in a week if I wanted... But I would (by my preferences) be settling.

Thank you thats is very helpful... i can live without for a couple months hell even 5-6 months but somethings i just cant dream of completely letting go. The first time i met the dietitian she was worried cause i am a wateraholic and i had about a full gallon at the start of our meeting and 30 mins later a lil less than half... she was letting me know that my days of chugging everything are over. Beer i never chug so thats good and ill probably wait 3-4 months before diving into another beer. i am going to miss chugging Water after football or exercise but ill just have to learn to be more patient with my hydration.

The messed up part is i seriously can pick a clear winner healthier thinner vs fulfilled and happy some may think im joking about this but this is kinda serious to me i mean i was just getting graeted to brew my own micro brew

arghh damn now i have a situation.

ok so I'm getting banded soon and the doctors say no carbonated sodas and thats not a problem for me cause i have carbonated sodas. BUT i just remembered that he did say no more BEER!!!!!! OMFG WTH IS HE TALKING ABOUT...:tt1: I'm freaking out no more beer .... ever .... for...eva... eva. Im not saying that i a a daily beer drinker but i do love my beer now, a nice heffenwisen on a Saturday or a heineken on a Thursdays. shoot i may just need a Sierra Nevada Pale ale in a moment here. Please tell me the doctor is giving the doom and gloom. I dont wanna give up Beer unless i have to.:tt1::crying::thumbup:

see thats different for me cause i never stopped dating and its not that i wont date someone big but i don't chase them either. Now that i am thinking about it i have a pretty sharp double standard

Ok so i was just going over my own personal preferences and i stumbled upon a moral quagmire. As a big person is it ok to not want to date other big people. Cause looking back on my social life and relationships i can see a definite pattern emerging. So what do you think... i really should have added a poll to this:tt1:

Ok so i was just going over my own personal preferences and i stumbled upon a moral quagmire. As a big person is it ok to not want to date other big people. Cause looking back on my social life and relationships i can see a definite pattern emerging. So what do you think...

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