TheWatcher

just got my first fill... didn't fel a thing but dayum if that wasn't a big ass needle...

Please do not disrespect the man's memory by being negative here. Michael Jackson Will be missed.... WE already do...

Its the Muslim argument all over again you can blame the Faith because of the fanaticism of the few. green has the view point of an extreme. i hole the same faith yet you can clearly see that i am radically different.

its an indictment against their ignorance not religion

I am not Christ and i can only be me ... that is all. trust i see what your saying but i don't expect you to understand the thought processes that go into my responses. I truly do think them all out. ... so have a good night

that was meant in the spirit to help someone... i mean really sometimes you need a expletive to enhance a point. I was not trying to make fun or call her out i needed her to hear what i was saying in the context that i was saying it and i didn't want to leave any room for misinterpretation. if you are in a room with arguing people and some one says ever so elegantly "please simmer down" how quiet do you think it will get? But if before that some one comes in and said in a loud stern voice "Quiet the hell (or other expletive) down. You will get a much better response. Furthermore if you were in a bank and it was being robbed and the gunman came in and said in a calm voice. "excuse me this is a robbery would you all please get on the floor and be still" i ask you what you believe the response would be? When i made that statement it was to make sure that the tone of the entire post was read with absolute clarity.

stay on the right path she will eventually come around and even if she never does our integrity will be intact. flat out poking fun never helps The problem is with her attitude getting one in return probably wont help the situation. no matter how good it feels.

although kinda funny that's not productive

im sorry but if everyone is saying the same things and has the same issue then its not them ... its you

how old are you... 10?

I'm with you i remember the issues that gadget lady brought to my Obama threads. i think the biggest problem with that attitude is that there is no room for people to live together in their scenario. It is that type of thinking that lead to atrocities such as the crusades, the genocides in Rwanda, Darfur, Kosovo, and other places. yes i have different beliefs and yes i think they are best... but i can force anyone to live a certain way without breaking the commandments that i live my life by. so we all have to learn now to live with each other dispite our differences and have intelegnt and respectful conversations and dialog about said issues.

I think i see the problem you cant look at what you have said objectively so any further discussion would be utterly pointless. You are the type of person that has difficulty looking at the big picture of things and that is fine. but as for this situation as hard as it is for me i will just have to wash my hands.:thumbup:

I may be wrong but i doubt im the only one who has felt like you have a holier than thou attitude

Yes I am a Christian and I struggle day to day with my walk in Christ as all Christians do. You somehow just seem too pompous for me to try take the high road... I personally don't feel that I have much to apologize for. I was being as honest as I could have been. thus I said nothing. One thing you need remember is that not all Christians are in the same place and most are in a constant battle within themselves what would Christ do vs. what I want to do. The simple fact is that I have my own issues and demons to work through and I was making a suggestion I was not judging you as the tone of your responses show you judge me. so I ask you since you seem to be in a judging mood do you have a heaven or hell to place anyone in? see I don't need to prove my faith to you or anyone else. my Christianity isn't in Question and I'm not Questioning yours. I wouldn't dare be so arrogant. the simple fact of the matter is that i nor anyone else needs your approval, blessing, or opinion on their Christianity or moral character for that matter. so as I believe I asked you once before Who gave you the right to be so judgmental?, What makes you so arrogant as to think that you have a one-way ticket to Heaven that gives you the right to look down your nose at anyone... Apology ... Apology my ass!:blushing: I do not apologize for what i said because i still feel the same way. I'm sorry if you took offense to how i said what i said but sometimes being tactful just doesn't do the point justice.

i honestly cant thing of a retort that wouldn't send you an a rampage .... so I'm just going to abstain.

but that's just the point you talk about and seems like too unbelievers like they and less human that you ... you need to soften your tone.... do you read what people say about you ... its not just me... you need to remember that even non believers deserve the respect you would give a believer. and if you are amiss to what i am talking about go back read some of your post and the responses that follow and be OBJECTIVE when reviewing .... you have been being such a stereo typical bible thumper that makes people of no faith, wavering faith, or stong faith run for cover. Jesus didn't condem every sinner he met but in most of your post it seems that you do.... do u see the disconnect?

There is a difference between debating and forcing your opinion .. your post lack ... compassion and tact .... look i may have some of the same views but you don't see people jumping down my neck every time i say something. You rub people the wrong way because of the tone you use and the inflammatory language that you user.. and i know from me that's saying something .... nevertheless you don't have to say what is clearly implied by the condescending tone of your post. plain whats good man ... it was a lot school work i hit a plateau so i didn't feel like dealing with all the people on here who were dropping every week so it just was sooo much .... but seeming as i got laid off monday i have a lot more time. plus .. my numbers are dropping again.

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Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed it ... i have some experience dealing with difficult posters on a thread

rodriguezequal I am sorry that pattygreens inflammatory speak reached you and i am sorry for the losses that you have had in your life and i hope you would read thins and try to understand what i am saying. I have not had a perfect life and in fact some things that have happened to me have driven me to attempt to end it all... But the one this i can say is that just because certain things happened that were horrible and sucked the spirit right out of you doesn't mean that you prayers fell on deaf ears... bad things happen to good people, bad things happen to the innocent and at time i can seem that believers can com under down right attack from the other side... the things to remember is that God is there to give us strength to fight and move on. even when life gets unbearable he is with us. i remember when i was in the midst of my storm i felt utterly alone and i blamed God for all that was done to me and all the struggles that i was forced to endure the abuse mental physical and sexual... i blamed God for all of it but. now that i am stronger and i am in a better place i realize that he was always there with me... the fact that i am hear typing this is proof of that. I don't want to go into details but there is no reason i should be alive right now. Prayer is a very powerful thing but it is incorrect to believe that just because you have faith and pray that it will always work out. life still happens and life is indeed messy. Yes it hurts and yes you may even feel abandoned but You are not alone her is there with you and through all the pain it may be impossible for you to see but he is there. I wish i was my father so i could really say what is needed to be said(hes a preacher) but as a sinner who have been through a lot i can say when i read your post i could feel how alone i felt when i believed that God had forsaken me... i cant tell you why the things that happened happened of when the sun will shine again but i hope that one day you believe that it will... I will pray that it will one day for you. pattygreen is just another injured soul on a journey and i'm going to pray for her too. but please don't give up yet because once the storm is over the bountiful harvest that is waiting for you will be great it may not be what you were expecting it may not be what you wanted or desired but it will bring more joy into your life that you could have possibly imagined could exist. I still am in aww of how far my faith in God has brought me physically, emotionally, and spiritually. but there were many many many dark times that i couldn't help but have faith and i have lost a lot on the way hear. but you just have to remember don't stop keep going. there is an enemy and you will be attacked but it states in the Bible that no weapon formed against me shall prosper (Isaiah 54:17) so when you get attacked you have to take the blow and pray harder and get back up and stand again and don't stop keep going because life is still coming. Isaiah 40: 31 ( my favorite passage ) says that they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as EAGLES they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. so as hard as it is to pick yourself up and keep going its what we must do. You are stronger that anything that this world or this life can possibly throw at you. you just need to remember that you can get back up again.... I appologise that i uses to many quotes from the Religious songs but i believe as my father doesn that music is the voice of God and can open ones heart and give the ability to heal.

Message to pattygreen I know that you truly believe that you are always in the right in just the few post i have read that you have been involved with that is abundantly clear but here is the thing you are doing much more harm that good. By being closed minded and not being accepted in any way you are rubbing people believers and non the wrong way. Jesus surrounded him self with sinners who wanted better if they were lost and in need and yet sinners he would teach them the way... you are as someone stated once before in different words a explosion of negativity the likes of which i have never seen on lbt before... ok maybe a couple times in my two controversial threads... but that was on a different beast all together. You see the difference between sinners and people like you is that sinners accept that they are just that and at some point see the error in their ways and try to change .... But self righteous people such as your self never seem to think that they sin at all ... as if you are already a shoe in for heaven... as if you were on Christ level. Romans teaches us that none of us are worthy.NO NOT ONE. but because of the grace we are saved... yet you are soo quick to condemn when you haven't a heaven or hell to put anyone in... Where do you get such a substance that would make you so delusional. i guess what im trying to say is ... ahem... show some compasion b****!