Madam Reverie

Really?! Ha! That's priceless! Don't credit yourself, sweetheart! I have thought as much about you and your ill conceived, poorly delivered, ego-centric, excruciatingly judgmental, contradictory and irrational musings as I have about the rotting lettuce that is currently residing in the bottom of my fridge. Now.. if we can get back to being happy, content people..

No, it's not bad. It's perfectly awesome! Best of luck to you tomorrow. You'll do great, you'll be great. See you on the losing team x

I was a cheese addict before the surgery. Now.. not so much. Makes me acidy... and I can't be doing with the acid.. Guess I should be grateful that my cheese consumption is now nil...

I put it in my mouth and quickly add a lot of water to it, hold my nose and down it goes.. Makes me feel like I'm in some sort of Victorian workhouse where they slopped you up gruel for dinner... 'Please sir, may I have some more?' 'MORE? MORE THE BOY SAYS?!'

I can't eat cheese But... I ate a third of a lamb shank with minted gravy, peas and carrots tonight. YAY ME!!!!!

I made a cake. I made a cake with 8oz of Total greek yoghurt, 3 eggs, a little flour and a fair amount of sugar. It's amazing. Its got the texture, but not the fat content of a baked cheesecake. The only debbie-downer is that it won't stay fresh for long. I know I wont finish it and it will go to my neighbours or in the bin. I still made it though and it made me happy making something normal. My man wants me to freeze it. I will not. He left me alone with red velvet cup cakes. As such, he shall be punished.

Because I was told my blood count could use some. Oh, and my knees told me, too! As an aside, I don't find it too bad. It is the B12 liquid that made me gag like a.. like a gagging thing!

I agree with this whole-heartedly. As you have illustrated in this thread, it is ALL about the delivery. Some people lose sight of that and thus, the misunderstanding <read 'head bashing'> begins.. All this achieves is that any benefit which could have been derived from the message, is consequentially lost...

lol your stick isn't always present and I must say, in comparison to others'? Your stick is small today, Obi wan

LV - you're right. We didn't get here from eating half a lettuce leaf a day - and that is something I'm painfully aware of. Damn goats cheese... It's a struggle. I struggle. We're all trying our best and some find it harder than others. In fact, I wholly expect to wake up in the morning, find this has all been a dream and my huge jeans go back to being as tight as hell. Thankfully, this won't happen now and I'm eternally grateful for this opportunity. In the meantime and as I trudge my way through nutritional values, gagging on proper food and physically loathing the bottle of cod liver oil I have on my kitchen counter.... I want to have a bit of a laugh. I want to take my mind off the tedium and have a bit of fun with people who are sharing the same experience and having the same dramas as I am. So on that note, I shall return to my kitchen and with utter longing, gaze at the last red-velvet cupcake my man thoughtfully left me with before he went on his travels. The SWINE!!!

Now THAT, is funny!

Don't fret, I just lit one for you!

Watching it right now. You two are so cute! x

Oh dear lord... Many thanks for your kind words, Monterey. It is much appreciated x As you were people. Enjoy your chats and feel free to have fun.

Day 7 you'll be feeling much better - particularly with something more substantial in your stomach. Day 10/11, you'll be getting the hang of it. You might every so often say 'eh? Urrmm... That doesn't sit well'.. But you learn... By the mushie stage, the pain in your side will ease and you'll be free-wheeling down the road, ready to take on new and exciting challenges.. Like, erm, eating something with flavour and texture! Hang on in there, treacle. I believe this is a long ride, but a good one x

Okay, <sigh> This has nothing to do with pride. This is all about providing a forum where people can discuss and analyse their food 'transgressions' in a safe and non-judgmental environment. A point of which you, yourself, concluded was integral to the efficacy and atmosphere of this website as a whole on another of my threads yesterday? If you feel this thread has turned into something which 'enables' people - then this is your opinion. However, we are all adults here and we all draw our own conclusions. If new people come to this thread, they will have the opportunity to read my initial introduction to it. From that point, I have no control over their, or anyone else's comprehension As for being 'distressed' by it I have yet to read any complaints - save yours. Again, we are all adults here and fundamentally, whether or not we are advised to eat Quest bars and egg whites on a daily basis - this is not something I personally intend to do for the rest of my days and I don't believe the majority of other people are either. New people should have the option to see all sides of the coin - not one sole prescribed and sanitised view. As much as people might desire it, we haven't quite made a dystopian state out of this website yet... and there is room for alternative and what some might conclude, 'subversive' views. Its about being inclusive. Consequently, none of us are in a position to ascertain who has clinical issues and who does not. So does that mean all alternative views should be quashed accordingly? I know you're not my or anyone else's enemy, Pdxman. However and I'm just going to say it as it is... If you amended the tone, softened the judgement and dropped the ever-so-patronising admonishments - perhaps my responses to your posts might become that little less justificatory and a tad more positive... This debate, is done.

Maybe it's your turn of phrase... "Just like I wouldn't advise an alcoholic to just have a shot on a rare occasion, IMO, this is a dangerous thread." Maybe it's your overlooking this statement: "There'll be no 'Hail Mary's' or 'Our Fathers' and flagellation will NOT and should not be forthcoming" and coming forth with a statement of this nature: "Bottom line folks, I don't want to see any of y'all crying 6 months from now that the scale isn't moving, yet these same behaviors are continuing. If someone is struggling with weight loss 6 months from now, I'm going to point them to this thread.' I understand the genuine motive behind your post - and it is laudable. However, due to the primary reason this thread was composed, I found your well-intentioned post ill-placed. If people have chosen to not delve too deeply into 'why' they have chosen to consume something and 'how' it made them feel afterwards - that is their prerogative. The core tenet still remains, that it's a place where there is no judgement - rightly or wrongly - for the occasional strays they have. There is comfort in knowing you're not alone in your struggles - it is what makes us human, after all. That, I believe, is objectivity...

As you appeared to miss the point of the thread, I'll repeat it for you.... "Okay, so, since I've been frequenting this virtual bariatric world, there appear to be a few issues which seem to ignite much debate and throw the most meekly devised threads into huge ego-centric 'flaming' exercises. Not only do I, personally, find this predictably boring; it is also deeply unhelpful. We all know that this process changes or should change, how we do and view things to do with food and wider health issues, forever. As such, it takes a bit of getting used to. The prospect of having to adapt our long-held behaviours is scary and our little food related rituals? They are tough bleedin' cookies to break. (My apologies for mentioning the 'C' word there) Consequently, I'm a big believer in the adage that 'skeletons in the cupboard' are no longer 'skeletons', if they are dragged out into the light of day. (Normally kicking and screaming with the neighbours looking on in horror) So, roll-up, roll-up. Consider this an online bariatric confessional! There'll be no 'Hail Mary's' or 'Our Fathers' and flagellation will NOT and should not be forthcoming. I want you to tell us your 'dirty' little bariatric secrets. What did you do? Why did you do it? (and I will refrain from asking 'with whom?' you did it!) How did it make you feel afterwards? Did you resolve to never do it again - or indeed, did you think that actually, everything in moderation is not so bad after all? " No flaming required. I think the last paragraph makes the objective patently clear...

I'm in the same boat. 20 days out and I can't do up my jeans, which had room before the surgery. I also get twinges and pains in places unrelated to my stomach... Weird...

Holy cow - THAT is very noticeable! Massive congrats

Foxy! You look fabulous

Aww, Joatsaint, I tried that too! After my forgetting my password and having to reset it again - I logged back in and up it bleedin' popped! In a take-off of the Flinstones; instead of shouting 'Wilma', I'm tempted to shout 'ALLLEEEXXXXXXXX!!!!!!'

Aww, that's very sweet of you, thank you. You're more than welcome to email me. Come along- join the crazy! All are welcome x

Thanks for the suggestion, but I tried that and it's still bloody there... Okay, this is doing my head in!!!!! As soon as you leave the page - up it pops again - like some sort of lingering wart... I want to find the central 'destroy' button!

I have no idea about whether it's the same as a colon cleanse. It is probably like a laxative to ensure your stomach and intestines are all squeaky clean prior to surgery. Gamergirl is right about the liquid diet being very important - that's why they put you on it. However, beating yourself up over what you've already done is futile. Just resolve to not to indulge again and move forward. Protein shakes ahoy! You can do it!