swimbikerun

Go to the hospital where it was done at and get the operative report. You can also get anything else from them. You sign a paper, but its all HIPAA legal. I am just hoping that things turn out alright. I've not heard of this but I will be checking the research in the next few days to see if I find anything. I've seen studies of one before.

Then why aren't you talking to a surgeon if it IS for you? Talk to them, get the research. People here are going to tell you your experiences. If you need data go for that, but if you need hand holding (and some of us are getting that impression) than you need to go find bariatric surgeons and discuss the matter with them.

Not that I heard. That is odd, if you will forgive me. A sleeve is made by "ahem" putting a tube down your throat and cutting off the excess stomach and sewing around it. I'm wondering how the sleeve could have been made big. Did you get the surgeon's report?

You are great on that. I want to know because I keep on top of data and help out who I can. If the doc or the office has a stinky attitude, why not ask a regular person? You might get a more friendly and faster answer.

I've had a boatload of complications and a negative experience with a surgeon AND I WOULD STILL GET SURGERY DONE AGAIN. Would some things be different, yes, but I'd still get it done. and being one of those who almost died from malnutrition, who has problems from it and GI problems, if I can say life on this side is still more than what it was on the other side, my question is why the problem?

So is mine. We are not asked separately whether we want to be in their data studies or not. At least I wasn't and I know of no one else who wasn't "volunteered" in their databases. I'm just glad lots of others will ask questions. I'd love to see everyone with a long list of questions. It would make choosing the surgeon and the program that is the best for that person and their own life style, decisions, and circumstances.

Computer nerd - analysis for a large business entity. The job before was pretty much nothing but # crunching. At this second, I can't guarentee the accuracy of this statement, but I could in the past. From what I see on the internet, it has changed (broadened). 2 semesters of calculus (and I had to take more than that to graduate with a major in the field) are not required at a number of medical schools. If you had stats to that, its an even smaller portion. Math teaches logic, following some steps and patterns, as does IT. Medical school unfortunately is not always about logic and science where it needs to apply it.

Agreed! This is why I wish I had more data on my surgeon not just in terms of surgery but on their philosophy, education/CE type stuff just for starters.

I wouldn't have a problem with that if they'd give us the data. They never will. Given what I do for a living, and how their "experience" has come up against my "research/data", I am pretty sure they won't either. LOL. Or they'll massage it first and I don't want that. I've taken more math than a doctor has had to.

Not just calories you want to look at but what type of calories. Quality ...

That is just one issue. Look at it like this: if you are 1 of 20 people at your place that has a problem, that is 5% complication rate. If another 2 places have 20 people and no problems, now they can say 1% complication rate. So maybe the rate is due to surgeon issues, that place, or whatever, but it gives the impression that there are less complications than there might be. Second, I don't auto give my permission to be someones' lab rat. I'll give it IF I get all the details. Otherwise forget it. Third, the ASMBS hasn't done us any favors. Why should I help them out? I'm not getting paid and I do know places that get paid when the data goes out of the office. Fourth: just WHAT data goes out? Is that aggregate or do they break it down in terms of male/female, age, etc. ? Fifth: I would to know a LOT about this data (ok yes I'm a nerd/number cruncher). If they break down the data to things like at 5 years out osteoporosis rate is ... I want to know that. I have bone issues in my family and due to my physical state (or the lack thereof actually) I am at an even bigger risk of osteoporosis. Things like that, anemia, B12 issues, B1, K, all sorts of things, if they're going to track them, I want to know because it tells me is this right for me or not or is a different surgery better given my background? I want to see the data, not just some docs' take on it. He's looking at $$$ and a quota to do. I'm looking at living with this crap for the rest of my life. So someone who has only possible issues with GERD/reflux might want to see what the reflux % is, I would want to see other things. I can't access that data and I want to know that the doctor is giving me hard facts behind his "stuff". I've been bitten one too many times by a doctors' going on their experience vs. research/cold hard facts. That and the fact that the medical profession has given me "opinion" not supported by "data" and when I'm paying for the product, I want to see data.

I would probably vote for the burning of muscle. That and possibly water gain. Can the nut help you any?

Thank you for telling your story. I dont think you are being a downer. You should tell what happened to you honestly and you did. Letting others know of your situation will help others - and I thank you in the midst of ALL that you are going through to be big hearted enough to think of helping others at this time.

Carols how much are they really following you that a regular doctor can't do? Are they in the ASMBS? Did they tell you they use you records and report the data back to them? I also have osteoporosis and the like and mine just said go follow up with regular doc. End of story. They were supposed to be doing something for me that 2 other doctors referred them to me for, nutritionally related, but said I had "no further surgical needs". Amazing how they knew better than the ASMBS and the other docs ... but then again when you violate HIPAA retaliation laws, I would have expected this.

Sorry dumb thing goofed up on me.

Hmmmmm that is a great list. Different from the ones I've seen here but still outstanding. Could you be burning lean muscle and not fat?

Hmmmmm that is a great list. Different from the ones I've seen here but still outstanding. Could you be burning lean muscle and not fat?

In contrast to what was said before, I've seen too many stories of doctors' getting off and it hurt patients. See Charles Cullen (nurse) and also Christopher Duntsch. You can't expect the medical boards or the profession to police itself. With all due respect, lawyers aren't going to take a case unless they make $$$ out of it. I've heard it enough to know its true. I am so very very sorry for you. As a surgeon I had turned out to be not what I expected after, I am glad that you got at least the chance to figure out beforehand about him. There are legal agreements in my area about no care once you are in a group so you'd be tossed by the way side if you have complications, possibly. Let us know how it goes. I am SO pulling for you.

Actually there isn't a scientific basis for the starvation mode theory. Its just one of the things I read not that long ago and pointed out on another thread. What type of mix in terms of Protein, fat, and carbs, are you drinking?

Yeah same thing as Jill above. I don't know what to say ... except wow!

I feel for you. We've all been there.

Why not decaf?

People are used to larger sizes. Hence it can be different looking at someone when they weighed more. Not saying wrong or bad or right just saying ...

All good suggestions but what about drinking some Water? Getting up and going for a walk? Things that take your mind off food? What you appear to be experiencing is head hunger, not real hunger correct?

The rest of us not on the 2 week long diet will be pulling or praying for or wishing you the best - each according to his method. Lots of people pulling for you.