Everything posted by clk
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protein hummus
Hey now, there are unflavored Proteins out there that don't taste terrible - I like the Syntrax brand. I'm not sure the Greek yogurt would work, though it might be an interesting texture change. How much tahini does your recipe call for? My small batch (from scratch) recipe calls for 2 Tbs. and an equal amount of Greek yogurt has almost the same amount of Protein (though it is less in fat). Anyway, if you cut the tahini out and miss the flavor just blend in a touch of sesame oil to make up some of what you're missing. To me it simply wouldn't taste "right" without it. For a change of pace, I make dips from black Beans or cannellini beans, too. If you want more protein from your chickpeas, make a salad with hardboiled eggs and veggies. That's what I'm eating for lunch right now. ~Cheri
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what is your favorite snack post op
For a long time it was jerky. Now I'm not so very into meat - especially since I got pregnant - and my very favorite snack right now is roasted chickpeas. I do them with a sweeter blend of spices or I do them with paprika, garlic and onion. YUM. Or hummus, with some homemade pita chips and an assortment of veggies. I'm on a chickpea kick right now, and blame the pregnancy. It's a far better craving than the chicken nuggets (gag!) I wanted with my twins. ~Cheri
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chipotle? subway?
Flour tortillas are still hard for me, even more than two years out. They gum up and sit like a stone in my belly. Corn ones are better, but I won't lie - I'd rather eat a few chips and guac or salsa than a burrito, anyway. I usually do a bowl. I used to skip the rice and ask for extra black Beans but now I just do the rice. It still makes about three meals for me. If I'm feeling like it I'll sometimes do crispy tacos, but I don't eat a lot of meat and prefer the black bean bowl. I don't eat Subway, so I can't help you there. Just about any place you can think of has some possible food options for the post-sleeve diet, and it gets easier the farther out you are. ~Cheri
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I want to help my friends but i can't
I weighed everything in the beginning because you cannot be sure what you're eating otherwise. One of my issues prior to surgery was overeating and grazing. It would be too easy for me to eat the entire bag of almonds mindlessly while reading a book or watching the boob tube. How else can you accurately track your calories? Guesstimating? That's not much help, is it? Being consumed by surgery and healthy eating? I'd argue that it's paying attention to what I'm putting in my body, something that might have prevented my obesity in the first place. If you're willing to have life altering surgery and remove an organ, you should probably be willing to invest at least a few minutes each day into the other parts of the equation: what you put in your body, and how much/why you're putting it there. Now that I'm so far out I seldom actually need to break out the scale, though every now and again I do it just to check myself. But if I'm going to indulge in a junky food, like those flamin hot cheetos I ate last night (something I'd normally avoid but sounded oh so good to me) you better bet your hind end I'm counting out the 21 cheetos that make up a portion. No way will I allow myself to eat the whole bag like I used to. Oh, and I only ate ten of them and put the rest back. I think I just wanted something spicy and would have been just as satisfied with a scrambled egg covered in hot sauce. chips and the like never went stale in my house prior to surgery, but it's something we have to watch out for now. ~Cheri
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Disappointed
I haven't heard this at all about the sleeve. My baby is measuring larger than either of my previous, non-sleeve pregnancies. I do know this is an issue with bypass, but that has more to do with Vitamin malabsorption from what I understand. Perhaps someone that has already delivered will chime in here, but I've been treated as if I have a totally normal pregnancy. My stateside OB did ask me specifically about malabsorption with my procedure (he's not familiar with the sleeve) because that does cause issues, but he had no worries about either my health or the baby's. ~Cheri
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9 weeks pregnant/8 months post op severe stomach upset
It sounds worse than normal but I had to resume my PPI once I got pregnant, too. If you're not on it, you should be. If your symptoms are that bad, your doc should be writing you a prescription that's safe for the duration of your pregnancy. I'm back on omeprazole (generic Prilosec) and need to take it every day or I'm very uncomfortable. As for stomach pain, I would wait to see if a PPI addresses that for you, and if not, get in to see your surgeon or PCP for that. I do not have stomach pain, though I have had to re-learn my capacity while pregnant and I did have a heck of a time with morning sickness. Good luck, ~Cheri
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Upset.
You really should see someone for physical pain - there might be an issue that needs to be addressed that will improve your quality of life immensely. As for emotions being wacky post op, that's normal. It's not reassuring but it really is normal. Ha ha, so you ARE feeling normal right now...for a fairly newly sleeved person! In addition to having hormones stored in our fat cells that get released and screw with us as we shed pounds, it's not easy to make such a serious lifestyle change. What was food to you? To me it was a comfort, almost a friend, a secret indulgence...a way to not feel sad, a way to fit in with my family and friends...it was all of those things. And then I had this surgery and when I felt frustrated or angry or sad I couldn't eat my way out of it! It's not easy to find new ways to cope, especially when I was totally in denial about my food relationship before I had my surgery. I was completely blindsided by how depressed and restless I felt until that phase passed. It also doesn't happen overnight. You have a journey in front of you and you're working hard on doing the right things and reaching a goal but you aren't going to have the body/weight you want for a while and it's going to take some time for your head to catch up in any case. Hang in there. Vent here and find threads with people in the same place you're in because you're not alone. And get to your doc about the pains. That's not normal. ~Cheri
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Some emotional turmoil after cosmetic/plastics consult
I've said it before but you guys will really be astounded at how much rebound and redistribution there is in your skin/remaining fat pockets in the time from one year to two years post op. I am not kidding. Yes, I'm younger (32 now) but even allowing for that, my skin wasn't exactly resilient before surgery as proven by my stretch marks and the lovely apron my twins left me. But I still had a consult roughly one year post op and it was very interesting. If I went back now I know I'd need less work than I felt sure I needed at one year post op. As for mentally adjusting it is a challenge. And while, for the most part, I can see myself more realistically now, it's still a shock to see a photograph of myself and realize how small I am. Heck, I'm nearly 32 weeks pregnant and feel like a bloated, puffed up cow right now. But it really hit me last night, looking in the mirror while changing for bed, that the only places I've puffed up are my upper arms, face and calves...and it's not much. The rest of me is just baby belly and the same loose skin I had prior to pregnancy. And here I've been feeling kinda down about being so heavy lately. Face it - we do not see ourselves the way other people see us. I spent years as a big girl wearing a size too small and looking ridiculous for it until I realized how much more comfortable and attractive I'd look wearing the proper clothes. And it took me nearly a year to accept that I really do wear the size I wear and to stop panicking every time I put in a clothing order. Sometimes I still buy shoes in my old size and have to return them. But I spent most of my life obese and can't expect my brain and eyes to catch up in just a year or so. It does get easier and better. I have no doubt that baring your naked body to a doctor to be poked and prodded and measured, would enhance any feelings of doubt or insecurity you had about your body. I know how ridiculously uncomfortable I was during my consult and yes, I went home and did an inventory of everything afterward, too. You might get down to that eight and you might not. I think all of us will see or read someone's goal weight or goal size and think about how we'd love to be there but we're hindered by bodies that simply will not cooperate. I'll never be a two. I'm very short and my doctor harps on how I should really weigh in the one-teens and I think he needs to stop doing drugs. Because it's not ever, ever going to happen. If I set my goal weight there I'd be destined to be unhappy because it's unattainable. Losing one size after plastics is probably not unattainable. But it's also important for all of us to take the time to think about what we're saying. Because after years of never being smaller than a 14 (and let's not lie...I had no business squeezing into those 14s) and after spending many years in 18s and 20s, I cannot possibly be complaining about not being small enough, right? Perspective. You've come a long way. Get the plastics if they'll help you feel great about your much smaller and more fit body. But do not compare yourself to a woman that's 5 feet tall and with a tiny frame and feel like THAT is the feminine ideal. We're all shaped differently. Women that are very tall set their goal weights where some of us had a starting weight - that doesn't make them any less feminine or beautiful or damn sexy once they get to goal. ~Cheri
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Alcohol
I only had sips of wine (for Shabbat, we're Jewish) for several months post op. Beyond that, not only did I not want to drink, I had no room to do it! I'd wait at least a few months. The only thing to be very careful about are transfer addictions. As we mourn the loss of our old emotional crutch and coping mechanism (food) it's not uncommon to see people develop other bad habits because they haven't learned to cope without yet. Alcoholism is a real problem for WLS patients. And yes, drinks are empty calories, of course. And while some people can still drink the same way post op I think stories of getting tipsy on just a few sips are more common. I can sip on one mixed drink all night and keep a buzz going, so I'm much more sensitive to alcohol post op. ~Cheri
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Mexico Sleevers - how is US post-op support?
I had no problems at all securing care, blood panels, prescriptions for Vitamins, etc. The real concern is if you have a serious complication post op. No doctor or ER is going to be permitted to refuse you care if there were a life-threatening emergency BUT your insurance could refuse to cover the complications. That said...I'd have to really search here to find a case where that happened. Maybe someone with that kind of experience will chime in. My surgeon (Dr. Aceves) did my tests for me before I left, and the only reason I'd do another swallow would be if I had a complication and suspected a stricture or something. Depending on your relationship with your PCP, you might want to disclose that you're having surgery before you do, but that's up to you. I go to military hospitals and clinics and count myself lucky if they can say my name properly. I wouldn't bother telling my doctor anything because they wouldn't remember and likely wouldn't even note it in my file. Hopefully you have better care than that. ~Cheri
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In before the newbies take it over
iegal, you can do this! Hang with it, lady. Find distractions when you get frustrated. How's today treating you? Congrats on the pound but remember that the big success here is in regaining control. Speaking of hummus (that iegal can't eat yet, sorry), I finally found garbanzo Beans (and tahina!) at a Turkish market here! I was so happy to find them as I've been scouring every market stall and grocery shelf for them for more than two months. I had to soak and cook them, but man, I had the BEST chickpea salad for lunch today and made up a yummy batch of hummus for Snacks. I added roasted red peppers and extra garlic to mine. Yummy, and YAY for Protein. ~Cheri
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How can this math be possible ? The Sleeve is not working.
I just wanted to add that if calorie deficits were so cut and dry as simple math, we'd all lose the weight on our first diet. We all know how to diet here - we're professionals. There's so much more to the equation that simple calories in vs. calories out and using a little willpower. If it was so easy, none of us would diet for most of our lives only to wind up having surgery to fix the issue. I think genetics, hormones and blood sugar play a much larger part than anyone realizes. Hang in there, ~Cheri
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How can this math be possible ? The Sleeve is not working.
Yes, you need to invest a few minutes in searching out the stall and broken stall threads here. This is just a normal part of the process, despite how frustrated you feel. A stall is three weeks or more at the same weight. My typical loss pattern was to stay the same weight for roughly two weeks of the month, gain three pounds during my period and then lose any weight I would lose that month in the last week to ten days of the month. It was like that almost every month. I had two 9 week stalls. On average, I lost just over 6 pounds a month, but in reality I had entire months where I lost nothing or lost only one pound, followed by a month where I'd drop eight pounds. My diet never varied enough to account for the changes. PdxMan posted a really informative post on stalls some time last year, and ButtertheBean has posted one or two, also. They're normal. They happen with WLS and without WLS. The best thing you can possibly do for yourself, no matter how hard it is, would be to try to let go of any time-related expectations you have. You can't expect to lose weight every time you step on the scale. It will discourage you. So long as you generally keep heading in the right direction, you will continue to lose weight and you will reach goal. This is not a race, this is about losing the weight and keeping it off for the rest of your life. Every pound gone is one gone forever if you take this time to do the head work that should accompany the lifestyle changes you've made. The sleeve works, you just have to be patient. ~Cheri
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I want to help my friends but i can't
Most people who "watch their portions" have no idea what a portion should be. Even my husband, who has never had a weight problem, was amazed when I talked to him about his portions of Pasta and rice. I don't see a practical way for you to demonstrate to them that won't come off as preachy, but the one thing that really hammered home my out of control portion sizes was seeing the models of what a portion of each food should look like. I'd heard the "deck of cards" and "fist sized" thing before but actually seeing how much larger (and grotesque) my portions were impacted me. It didn't help me lose the weight but it was a piece of info I carried with me and the comparisons are easy to visualize. In any case, you can't change a person's mind or attitude about anything. When someone really wants to lose weight, and by that, I mean they want to lose weight more than they want to keep eating, they'll do the work and find a way to eat healthier. Most people (even sleevers are guilty of this) want to keep eating the same horrible way but lose the weight. It's why people flock in droves to by miracle pills to help shed weight but never adopt the simple habits that would probably help without the side effects. ~Cheri
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Slow losers that are maintaining or close to goal
coops is my hero and was sleeved within days of me! She's fabulous but doesn't post as much as before. I'm hoping she'll find the time to post when she does come back. ~Cheri
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19 months done, 200+ pounds down - and a whole lotta smiles up
Congrats on the really great work. You look wonderful. I know that you'll still have loose skin but it really does rebound once your weight stabilizes for a while. So put off plastics until you've been at goal a while if you can. I had an apron even prior to surgery (I have twins) so I knew the stomach would be rough and I was right. But I was amazed at how much bounced back on it's own. So you might save yourself some procedures if you wait. Then again, plastics are really the icing on the cake after we work so hard, so why wait if you don't have to? I was in the same nutritional window in the loss phase and upping it in maintenance happened slowly but surely, so it's possible you'll have more leeway later if you want it. I still have a ton of restriction, too, but it's still a lot more than I was able to eat at one year post op. Thank you for posting. I appreciate that you not only show a nice, moderate approach to your loss but that you are demonstrating to new folks that you don't have to lose all of the weight in one year to be a success. Congrats! ~Cheri
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Husbands (spouses/partners) responses to surgery?
My husband supported me but never believed I needed the surgery. He felt I was beautiful and he didn't want to see me struggle if it turned out like the dozens and dozens of failed diets I'd put us both through over the years. He was also worried about complications during surgery, because he didn't want me to risk my life because I felt I had to lose weight. He stood behind me on this because he knew it was important to me. And truthfully, he would rather I had stopped losing weight about thirty pounds before I actually stopped. He genuinely likes larger women. He calls me skinny all the time. That said, he's still very attracted to me and loves how much more comfortable I am in my skin and how much happier I am. Loose skin was never an issue. And honestly, I'd love to tell you otherwise but it's a rare case when a woman gets skinnier than she'd like to get post op! Usually it's a struggle to drop those last fifteen to twenty pounds and hit goal. Now that I'm no longer diabetic and can keep up with him physically (he's more athletic than I am) and he sees that I have more energy for our kids and my own interests, he's glad I lost the weight. But he never stops reminding me that he has loved me and been attracted to me every day he's been with me, because I think deep down, he wants to reassure me that he loves ME not the body I'm wearing. Anyway, you have to approach it with education and honesty. You have to understand they do not understand what it feels like to be so unhappy about our appearance. If he's overweight himself and food is a big part of your time together, expect an adjustment period where he also mourns the loss of that ritual and socialization. But most of all, reassure him that you're doing this for you, and for him as well, because you want to live a long and healthy life as his wife. Too many men have heard of or know someone whose wife lost a lot of weight and the marriage fell apart. Every case is different, but usually if there are problems and trust issues prior to surgery, they might be exacerbated as you go through physical and emotional changes post op. If the marriage is on solid ground beforehand, it's usually stronger afterward. Good luck with your surgery, ~Cheri
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Do any low BMI-ers regret having the surgery?
Statistically speaking, it's a small group - but of the people with complications that were low BMI to start with, yes, I'd say that I know of at least one, probably a few, that regret the surgery. That's coupling two VST minorities together: low BMI and complications post op, though. You have to go in very prepared and having done your research. That applies to everyone, really, but especially to people that have a nagging feeling prior to surgery that they would rather lose without WLS. I was 242 when I was sleeved. I'm just over 5'1" tall. I wish that I'd had this surgery sooner. It's easy to say that when I had a very easy recovery and reached goal in a good state of mind. But I really mean it. I regret every year I spent obese because I stubbornly insisted that I could lose the weight through dieting. If you've already exhibited a problem keeping the weight off the sleeve could be right for you. But only you are really going to know if you want to take this very big, very serious step. Surgery includes risk and while it might be a very small percentage of patients that have complications, you will not feel reassured by statistics if you fall into the 1% that does. Good luck. I love my sleeve and do not for one minute regret having it. But I waited until I was morbidly obese and diabetic to start my journey. ~Cheri
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Encouraging words
Thank you for posting about your positive outcome and uneventful surgery. It's good to see both the positive and negative posts so that people researching can get a good idea of any possible outcome. The negative/scary threads do tend to see more traffic but I really believe there are far, far more satisfied and happy patients like you out there. Congrats on both your success so far and your new sleeve. I can't wait to see where you are in six months! ~Cheri
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I just cant do the protien shakes! Help!
Also works with ricotta. And bodybuilders use "sludge" as a boost: 1 scoop protein, 1-2 Tbs. Peanut Butter, and a tiny bit of Water to mix - it makes sludge. Chill it and eat it with a spoon. Sounds creepy but it works. I could hardly eat in the beginning and used this trick (with almond butter, I hate peanut butter) and it was a nice way to eat something "sweet" before bed that would boost my daily protein count. ~Cheri
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Slow losers that are maintaining or close to goal
I don't know, I think it's really individual. A lot of folks will stop being as active once they achieve goal. I think it's natural. Right now they have a motivator (the scale) to get the the gym, but it's easier to put it off when you're happy with your body, right? I think that despite good intentions, nobody really wants to spend three hours a day in the gym. The people doing it solely to achieve goal will have to adjust something else in their lifestyle once they stop going or they'll have bounce back and regains. think the same thing happens to diet, to some extent. This is the main reason I repeat that tired mantra of learning moderation BEFORE goal. If you've incorporated all you will eat and you can feel satisfied with that in a forever sense, then you've done the hardest part of the work. I thought I'd just leave my calories the same because I was such a slow loser, but after you hit goal they do creep up. In my case, I went from needing only 700-900 calories a day to lose. A few days over that in a row and I wouldn't see any loss on the scale at all. But once I got to goal and fiddled with my diet a bit, I found that for whatever magical reason, in maintenance I can eat about 1,100-1,300 calories a day. And being pregnant, I aim for 1,400-1,600 and am gaining at a normal pace. I wish I wasn't gaining at all, but that's another story. But I intend to take up the failure of Dr. Aceves to issue me a magic wand with my surgery at some later date. Outside of pregnancy, I really was able to eat more. And I eat more carbs now, too. Amazingly, my body redistributed my weight really well in that time frame and I didn't notice any issues holding steady on the scale. That said, of COURSE the idea is to adopt a forever lifestyle change. Even eating more calories and using moderation (meaning that I sometimes eat some of those wonderful goodies I bake) I still eat nothing remotely like I did prior to surgery. And even being tired and pregnant and chasing five year old twins around, I am still far more active than I ever was prior to surgery. I adopted a new life, so for me, the answer is that yes, my diet changed to be a bit more...well, normal. Normal for a person that never had a WLS or a food addiction, even. But I didn't just reach goal and fly off the rails and say, "Ha! I made it, my work is done!" and expect the sleeve to just work magic to keep me at goal. But some people DO experience that. I've seen it over and over again here and on OH in the years I've been around. Some people do treat it like a diet...and diets stop when you reach goal, right? But I think you're on the right track - I think that a lot of folks will eat more and exercise less once they hit goal but if they've done all the head work and did adopt a change its perfectly reasonable. ~Cheri
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I just cant do the protien shakes! Help!
Maybe try the Syntrax Nectars? They're fruity flavors and not the super sweet chocolate/vanilla that most other shakes come in. They also mix thin and many are honestly very good with Water, though mixing with half water/half juice or with crystal light is an option, too. There are several sites online that sell samples of them (I used vitalady) and you can try a number of flavors without shelling out for numerous tubs of Protein powder. Also try mixing with warm tea, warm coffee, soy milk, almond milk - anything you can think of that will work with your flavor of shake. It's hard to find a good Protein but it's really worth the effort, especially in the first six months post op. Good luck, ~Cheri
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Does anybody get sweats and nausea?
It could be: Eating too fast and overfilling the sleeve (I get dizzy and my heart races before I get to the discomfort feeling) A reaction to sugar A reaction to dairy A reaction to artificial sweeteners First step: slow down and be sure you're stopping before you eat a single bite too many. If you're newly sleeved it can take a while to learn your capacity and certain foods will only fit one or two bites, whereas others you can fit four times as much. Second step: evaluate what you're eating and see if your diet is causing the reaction. I hope you figure it out and can eat comfortably soon! ~Cheri
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Vitamins question.
They're not ideal but anything is better than nothing. In more than two years I've changed vites more than six times trying to find the one that works without making me sick for hours. So take what you can for now, but keep trying those other ones because at some point, you should be able to tolerate a better option. Gummies have no Iron, which is a huge drawback. I've been on a prescription iron supplement since just after one year post op because my iron levels were so low. They're also just not as well rounded as traditional multis. Again, take what you can. Taking something is better than nothing. The one I found that finally worked without making me ill was a prenatal Vitamin. I started taking it at about a year and a half post op, at my doctor's suggestion because nothing else was working. Good luck. Keep trying every month or so and see how it goes. It's easy to have a vitamin deficiency in the first year because we eat so little and tend to focus on Protein first. If all else fails, get a panel done at six months and one year post op to make sure you're doing well. ~Cheri
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Having a baby before or after surgery?
If you have any reason to suspect your fertility weigh this decision carefully after speaking to your surgeon AND your gynecologist. Just be sure that it's the right choice. We did ART both times - IVF w/ICSI to have my twins (before VSG) and then, two years after VSG I did FET with the frozen embryos. I will say that even though many docs say one year, I would say that 18-24 months is far more reasonable. It's perfectly possible to have a healthy, uneventful pregnancy sooner than that and many women do. But my personal experience (yours will be individual to you) was that I really didn't have much capacity until AFTER the one year mark. I didn't start eating more than 1,000 calories a day until after a year and a half post op. And it was only after that point that I could hit all my nutritional goals without a shake each day (though I still have one) and without eating from sun up to sun down. To complicate matters, during pregnancy my sleeve has had more variation than ever before. Some days I can eat a solid 1,400 calories (my goal is 1,400-1,600 daily for pregnancy) and be fine. The next day I'm struggling to get in 800 calories. My restriction changes as I get bigger and with the hormones that are going insane in my body right now. Add in that I already had lactose intolerance AND this baby won't allow me to eat meat without morning sickness...eating is a challenge much like it was three or four months post op for me. And that's just eating. It took me until over a year to finally normalize my Vitamin deficiencies - I had real problems with Iron and B12. I am not saying any of this to scare you. You could have a completely different outcome. But you won't know until AFTER you're sleeved how you'll react and cope. So there are a number of things to weigh before making the choice. If your fertility is great and you don't expect any issues, have surgery first. Wait between one and two years and get pregnant at that point, even if you're not at goal yet. Your pregnancy will be more successful for each and every pound you lose prior, but getting all the way to goal isn't absolutely necessary for a successful outcome. Good luck whatever you decide. I'm not high risk due to my sleeve and the baby has been very healthy and is growing normally. But I will say that this one baby post sleeve has been harder on me than the twins were when I was morbidly obese and had diabetes! ~Cheri