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sorry, yes it has only been 2 years missied a year somewhere. It seems longer anyway.

I was kayaking in the pond by our house with my son, on Monday. He and I were racing (so I was paddling very hard) and I felt some pain where my band is, (Like stitches being pulled?) I still have a faint pain there all week. And acid reflux on occasion, Which I never have at all. I can still eat and drink the same amount as before I have not had a fill in over 2 years. My wife changed jobs right after we were both banded and we have differnt insurance than before. so going to the doctor is only a last resort option. and the doctor we used has moved to dallas now anyway. I need help please!

Are there any stitches I may have pulled around the band? Or is there somthing else that may cause this?

see what you can do to make yourself worthy of the pearly gates

Cris -THe only way anyone can make make themselves "worthy" of heaven is a belief and trust in Jesus Christ. We are all unworthy based on our own actions because the standard is Jesus who was without sin and perfect. And none of us can measure up to that. And as for as imposing our beleifs as Christians on others we are called in Matt. 28 : 19 to "therefore go and make disciples of all nations..." So as a Christian it is our duty to tell others about Jesus and His standards. Not to mention that someone has to defend the lives that He created in these mother's wombs. He is the only one who can create life and if it was not His intent for that baby to be born then He would not have created it.

sorry I have been away so long. But this was my thought upon reading her post also.

looks like that seacrest guy is a thread killer

Gee dude, who said it was your fault? It is what it is. We are who we are. You are very happy with your belief on the subject, proud and vocal. When you are vocal about a belief that you have, it will obviously cause people to react to you in certain ways.

I only meant to say that I thought is was sad that if they are good friends, they didn't feel comfortable sharing a difficult time with you, since you're their friend.

You brought up the Bible and I was just observing that Jesus wouldn't condemn his friends for doing something that He believed was wrong. He would be supportive, try to understand, and show them love and acceptance. You're not Jesus, you're just like the rest of us, which is of course, fine. But you're the one who brought the Bible into the discussion and you're the one who chose to tell us about your friends. I didn't want to ignore one of your posts. It seemed very heartfelt.

It seemed heartfelt,but yet I'm not loving them or accepting them. what a croc (which is it) if I was not those things I would be telling her how I feel about it. But I have not done that because she would just feel worse. so tell me how I'm not bieng like Jesus in this case?

In most peoples life there are only a few people that they feel confortable talking about everything. And I'm just not one of those for her. There is nothing wrong with that.

396: You question whether I'm new here? Are you new?

I wasn't suggesting that you were or were not bringing it up to your friends. I was addressing the issue that they had not decided to discuss it with you, their friend.

I am sure it was a loving thing for you to do to not discuss it with them because you knew you would not be able to be generous in your support of them. I'm not criticizing you for not talking with them about it, just observing that I find it sad that if they are good friends of yours, they didn't feel comfortable sharing something that was probably very important in their lives, with you.

It's back to the old respect thing we were discussing, really. You know not being able to respect others with differing opinions and beliefs.

This is somthing that would not be discussed with me. and I can't help it if they don't tell me , they did not tell hardly anyone. How is that my fault?

396: I did not accuse you of judging people. Although from your post about judging people, quoting the Bible, etc., it seems that maybe you really are judging those friends of yours. Otherwise why mount a defense when no one was attacking you about it? I don't wonder that they wouldn't want to discuss something as important and personal as abortion with you if they already know you're going to judge them in a negative way. Afterall, they're your beliefs, your convictions, so very much more important than your friends or their needs.

Since you brought up the Bible, do you think that Jesus would make negative comments about his friends if they had had an abortion? He might not recommend an abortion to a friend in trouble, but I doubt seriously if he would not be totally loving and supportive of a woman in trouble, even after she had brutally murdered her human being (clump of cells.)

I think I'm being loving by not bringing it up! (what are you new?)

396- why don't you carry those babies for your friends for nine months, go through delivery, and raise them and handle all the attendant problems for the next 20 years of your life? If you think that it only has to do with them being "inconvenienced" you just have no clue.

By the way, that's a real scientific study you did on the reasons why women get abortions. You haven't even spoken with the women you mentioned, so how in the world can you believe you fully understand their situations, much less the majority of other women's situations?

Well because I am very close to these people, and when you are close you hear things and see how people are. And as far as not talking to them I'm not the monster you try to make me out to be some of these guys are family and they know how I feel abot abortion And if they knew that I know they had one they might be very uncomfortable around me. And I can't just talk to them about it they would think I was trying to condem them ,which is not what I'm doing. Just because I belive it is wrong and don't think that it is okay to do. Does not mean that I don't understand. And also so many times we Christians get ridiculed for speaking up about somthing. And then some one will try to misqoute scripture, Like don't judge least you be judged. You think that we are judging them,no I'm not. Here is somthing you should read Befor you start telling me I'm judging.

When Jesus said, "Do not judge, and you will not be judged," was He implying that we should regard everyone's viewpoint equally?

Based on Jesus' own actions, we can be sure He didn't mean we should ignore and tolerate evil. Jesus wasn't passively tolerant toward people who were doing evil things and promoting evil values. He often made judgments regarding their actions and confronted them ( Matthew 21:13; 23:13-36 ; John 6:70-71; 8:39-47 ).

FuelMan: We must be about the same age. I totally understand your viewpoint and it is very refreshing to hear someone speak to the problems of society that contribute to making abortion sometimes the only choice for some women.

If we made some really serious changes with regard to ensuring that pregnant women and the unwanted children that they are pregnant with, are well taken care of and respected, it would go a long way to solve many of the problems of unwanted pregnancies that we've been discussing here.

Some of my earlier posts in this arugment were a reaction to the insistence by the anti-abortion people that these troubled women simply give their children up for adoption. I stopped short of wondering if they had some financial stake in more adoptions. I felt that was just too awful a concept. But I do know that there are people who are in that business, as distasteful as it may be.

My arguments had to do with the mother who has nurtured her baby through all the stages its' development, from fertilized egg through the pregnancy and to finally, hopefully, delivering a wonderful living breathing human being. Women are generally nurturing creatures and to transition through all of the stages of conception through delivery and experience the unconditional love that they feel for their baby, it is unconcsionable to ask a woman to then lovingly surrender that child to someone else. It isn't selfish for a mother to want to keep her child - it is nature's way and it is the preferable way, just as I think you were saying.

Your suggestions are far superior and more practical - to put women in the position of being able to love and nurture their babies and raise them in a healthy environment. What a huge contrast to the ideas of adoption or abortion.

As for the war, I'm afraid most of the people who've posted that they are completely, vehemently opposed to abortion, are the same people who support our president and the war he has committed us to. It is as much a mystery to me as all of the intelligent and thoughtful things that laurend, mark, niecyrenee and a few others have pointed out as weaknesses in many of the anti-abortion posts in this thread.

Thanks very much for your input FireMan, I believe you made some very relevant points!

Look I am all for helping A young lady that is confused and don't know what to do. But I know of 3 people that have had abortions (that I know of ,they do not know that I know they have had an abortion by the way.)but all three of them have abused this abotion system. one had a abortion and she had a 4yr old already and now she has another kid. she could have afforded to have a kid but she was not married at the time and she already had the 4 yr old I know this was scary for her but she has depression now and it is because abortion. The other 2 people 1 has had 2 abortions and the other has had 4 before she was 22 yr old. she know has 3 kids. My point is these women were haveing sex and did not take responsabilty for thier actions so they kept choosing to make more bad desissions. By faulting their unborn child. Some regret it, some I don't know if they do. But I'm all for helping someone who needs help. But to just say I am not willing to make a choice for someone that I am not willing to help out, is a copout. First who besides the misplaced youth that got herself in this situation is going to make a good desision for the other youth (the unborn child). Lets make the desision to help them both and not cop out and take the easy road!

It's unfortunate that other people don't understand that. But believe me, it is a very welcome change.

To be honest, I don't even read Daffodil's posts anymore. They are all the same, condemning everyone who doesn't believe like she does. And not only that, she does it in the most offensive way possible. Hear that, Daffodil? You have lost any chance you ever had to convert pro-choice people on this site to a pro-life stance. No one listens to people that attack them. No one listens to people that openly consider them sub-human. No one is listening to YOU. Become more like Neicyrenee, and people may actually start listening to you and considering your stance. Heck, you may even gain some converts. But as long as you continue to act and post like you do, no one will consider your arguments. Why would they? You don't respect them and you don't respect their position and you don't respect the reasons why they have taken the position they have. So please, like Mark said, if you want to further the pro-choice movement, continue posting in the same style that you have been. Because, heck, you sure aren't doing anything for the pro-life movement.

That's kind of the pot calling the kettle black! And to your other comment. How do you know that I'm not educated in science. For all you know lady I may be smarter than you think. Just becuase A man cannot spell does not make him an idiot. I no that you know more about science than I do. That is a given (because you said that is your job And I belive you) But I know as much about the theory of Evolution as the slightly above average joe. So please don't try to insult me because I don't agree with some of the most book smart people in the world. I don't belive that we evolved from anything else. I know in My heart that the Bible is true, and If it is true then I also belive that man was made in one day I choose to belive that, And I know it to be true becuase I have choosen to take off the blinders, and look around and I know that all things that revolve around this world were not just big bang. or whatever you say it is or the scientist of the week say's. They cannot explain life (the sun,stars,moon,gravitational pulls, photosynthesis,How a Tomato seed will make a tomato plant and a watermelon seed will make a watermelon vine in the same set of ground. And how it grows in that same ground and they both taste differnt! Big bang can not do that! every bang I have ever seen destroys things Somthing has to make all this work. I have a Savior in Heaven that does just that. And that is why I do not need a master in science to now that Evolution is just a theory and not a law. I have a Master And he made all things. (even science)

Great come back!

I am continually amazed by your view of moral relativity. It's like you believe NOTHING is inherently wrong and everyone should be allowed to do whatever makes them feel good at any given time and whatever you want to do is peachy-keen and don't dare anybody tell you that it is wrong... Your words:"would require women to do something you totally do not believe in, to us that is no different than your efforts to require women to do something that we just as strongly do not believe in right now, today". So because an act, be it abortion, or rape, or thievery, or child abuse, is what YOU want to do then it's all right? Or conversely, if there is a crime you don't believe should be criminal, say extortion, then anyone making you abide by an anti-extortion law is forcing you to behave in manner you don't like? Life isn't all about you and your whims and desires minute-to-minute! Pro-life people believe abortion is the taking of a human life. Just as you hopefully would condemn taking the life of a 3 day old newborn, we condemn taking the life of a gestating human-to-be. Yes, I want to criminalize the taking of human life, regardless of it's stage of development. It's tough to sugar-coat those words for the sake of not "hurting anybody's feelings".

Why are you quoting me I see things the way you do?

When I was in the Navy Me and My wife Lived in Ca. in Lemoore

As a scientist, I respectfully disagree. Science does NOT point to a creator. And as a scientist, I've learned to disregard the opinions of people who say "evolution is just a theory." It shows that they know nothing about science and probably nothing about evolutionary theory. Let me let you in on a little secret: A scientific "theory" and a common-language "theory" aren't the same thing. A scientific theory is backed up by lots and lots of evidence. Otherwise, it would be called a hypothesis. A common-language "theory" has basically the same definition as "idea." It's a possible solution, with little or no evidence supporting it. A common-language "theory" is the same as the scientific "hypothesis." Evolution isn't called "the hypothesis of evolution." It's called "the theory of evolution."

Just to let you know, If it was not a theory It would be a law. It can not be proven so it is a theory!

And your wording of "completely separate being" is actually key to a point I would like to make. Is a being really "completely separate" when it has to be incubated by another being to survive? If a fetus were truly a "completely separate being," it would be able to survive outside its mother's womb. It can't, therefore, it isn't.

Well I guess you are not human either. You also have to be incubated to survive. If you did not live in this atmosphere you would not survive, Right? But you have things you need like air,gravity,ozone layer,ect ect.. Just like the baby gets oxygen from its mother,protection from falling from amneotic Fluid and protection from the sun (wow a mother is kind of like our atmosphere<grin>.

Some of you do not believe in a woman's right to an abortion. Some of us do believe that women should be the ones to make decisions about their reproductive organs.

Many posts have been made back and forth. The pro-lifers (I'm always confused by the use of that term by anti-choice people because I consider pro-choice or pro-abortion people to be pro-life), are adamant and firm in their beliefs. They want abortion of any kind to be illegal. They believe that they are quite capable of making decisions for all women with regard to whether every pregnant woman should be compelled - forced, by law - to carry that potential human being to full term. (If the fertilized egg is physically capable of becoming a baby.)

I would like for those people who present themelves as being the only right ones in this argument, to consider something that makes more sense to me than any African-American slavery or Hilter analogy.

What if the pro-abortionists became a huge majority in numbers and they spewed hatred toward any woman who became pregnant out of wedlock because they believed it was incredibly wrong for an out-of-wedlock pregnant woman to go to term with the pregnancy and subsequently give birth. What if the vast numbers of pro-abortionists worked hard to prove that the world is over-populated and that over-population contributes to global warming and to the eventual end to civilization as we know it. What if that argument was so compelling and popular that the law was changed to reflect that belief. What if the new law required that any woman who was unmarried and became pregnant must have an abortion. How would you feel if that became the law of the land?

Well, pro-choice people feel that is the same kind of power you are wanting to wield over all women in this country. The pro-choice beliefs and new law would require women to do something you totally do not believe in, to us that is no different than your efforts to require women to do something that we just as strongly do not believe in right now, today.

They are not making decisions about thier own reproductive organs. They are making decisions about another beings organs! If they would have made a choice about their own reproductive organs in the first place, Most of them would not need to make a choice too have an abortion!

Thanks for the recommendation. I may have to check this out. I've been into audiobooks lately. I put them on my iPod and I can listen while I'm walking, etc. I think I'll check for this book on iTunes right now.

I love my ipod. It really does not have music on it. I use it for the podcast's that I download (mainly The late Adrian Rogers Sermons) I downlowd them and put my Ipod under my hardhat at work and listen all day It is so cool to get these sermons. That man makes me cry. He will talk about GOD's love and I start tearing up. I'm just thankful that I am also sweating at the time, so I don't look like such a baby.

Fair enough, It is clear to us both!

Gosh, I sure agree with you. There is nothing I hate worse than people killing other people for their own convenience. That is just about the worst thing anyone can do.

Fortunately, aborting a dividing embryo is not killing a human being. If it were, abortion would be a really bad thing.

You are always asking Gadget to prove her point. So now that you have made this BOLD statement, you prove it. Why is it not a human being?

We all know that 396 is an idiot! We know that! I did word it wrong but regardless. My point in this exercise is to see how many would sit on which side of the fence. I really only wanted 2 categories pro life or pro choice. But I knew that someone would complain that there were not enough choices so I put the third one in. And at the end of the 3rd choice I should have put ect. Like rape,baby dying, AND SO ON. But for me I choose pro life, becuase I belive that all things are to be. and there is never any guarentee that a mother or child will die. Even if the dr. says 95% chance of death there is still a chance. And truly when we are talking about abortion, it is only a small % of people that thier life is in danger. So 250000 abortions a year for me is to much carnage to to start being afraid of offending poor little morjon Because I voted pro life (which is what it truly is PRO LIFE!)

I'm so glad you love your LORD Yasman He is AWSOME. Me and my Wife have been out of town, while my kids are at My Mom and Dads. we went fishing in Galveston all weekend so we missed Church this morning, but we are going in 20 min to the evning service. I pray that,Vic your dog will get all the help it needs. It is so hard. Pets are so much a part of our family. Chim I also Pray that you will find peace with your financials and that you surgery will be a success.

If men could get pregnant there would be a 110% effective form of birth control. Maybe there should be a poll out there on how many men have had to make the sole choice to carry an unwanted pregnancy or not.....:lalala:

I do practice birth control We have 2 kids that we thank the LORD for, but we did not want any more. So the pill was bad for my Wife, so I had a vascectomy.

welcom to the site simplyme

But cheer up Marjon9 these is your type of thread.