O.T.R. sleever

Lol...you still replace a meal with the shake...henceforth "meal replacement"

I do understand your logic, however there are "meal replacement" shakes & "protein" shake for example,

Unjuty & nectar are Protein Shakes, they deliver 20g of Protein with 100calories

Slimfast. Boost, Carnation, Ensure are meal replacement shakes. With these you will typically be consuming 400 calories to get the same 20 calories, but do have a mor complex nutritional profile.

Also, they are marketed differently. One is a health & fitness supplement(protein) the other is a diet product. If you go to Walmart & ask to see the meal replacement shakes, you will not see Protein Drinks, as they are marketed on different aisles.

You will get the best results from free weights. They force you to use your muscles equally. They also help to increase your balance. Plus free weights maintain resistance through the entire range of motion.

There are some exercises that it really doesn't make much of a difference.

20% long term failure rate?! Holy sh@t! Thanks for posting. I gotta figure out my portions when I travel!

Keep in mind the study quoted in this report was RNY patients. In no way can VSG patients be compared. The surgeries are absolutely different.

First off, I must clarify, we do not use meal replacement shakes, we use Protein Shakes or Protein supplements. Meal Replacements shakes more often then not are much higher calorie than we should be using.

Now that I got that off my chest, I use Unjury, Syntrax Nectar, Premier Protein, & hemp protein.

Tequilla

Slice of Fresh Papaya

¼oz. Agave nectar

1¼oz. Avión Añejo

½oz. Aperol

½oz. Orange juice

¾oz. Fresh Lime juice

Crush the papaya then add other ingredients shake with ice cubes then strain.

Vodka

1½oz Tito's Handmade Vodka

1½-3oz cranberry juice

Served on the rocks

Whiskey

1½oz Crown Royal Maple

2oz tonic

Twist of lime

Served on the rocks

1½oz Pendleton

2oz ginger ale

Served on the rocks

Amaretto

3oz Disaronno

twist lime

squeeze lime

Served on the rocks

As a side note for all you vodka lovers. If you haven't tried Tito's, you are missing out. It is better than Goose, Absolut, Stolichnaya, and it's only 16 bucks for a fifth.

Same goes for Crown lovers. Pendleton is smoother, taste cleaner & is cheaper.

I'm feeling VERY down today! I get on this forum everyday' date=' I look at ppl's progress and I am so happy for them but then I read the stats of their pre surgery weight and I get so dwn about it. Some of u guys are starting this wls at 300 lbs, 275lbs and even 215lbs and here I am at 500+lbs and I'm just getting my date. Believe me, no 1 is to blame for this but me but when I see ppl that had the wls already...I'm thinkin I have SO MUCH WEIGHT TO LOOSE, Im worried about just getting to some of yalls STARTING weight . Im just really feeling like is this surgery gonna be enough for me to be at a normal weight? I'm scared to even put during and after pics on this forum because Im ashamed it will take a decade to even get to where you guys are! Im sorry for being a buzz kill 2day but this is just how I'm feeling 2day. [/quote']

There is some good news... The bigger you are the faster you will lose. Starting at 500+ lbs I'd be very surprised if you didn't lose 125-150lbs in the first 6months and 200lbs in the first year. Of course this is assuming that you are compliant to the program set up for you.

We have had several sleevers on this forum that have started in the same area you are in. Even a couple 600+lbers.

You are not alone, believe me, we do not look down on you. I can say, but for the grace of God go I. Many of us were headed for right where you are at. We were just fortunate enough to find the sleeve and were able to get it before we got there.

One last thing, I understand your hesitance to post pics, before surgery you couldn't get me near a camera. I wanted no evidence anywhere that I had allowed myself get as big as I did. BUT, I must urge you to take a few "before" pics you will be so much more comfortable just a few months after surgery, and you'll wish you had pics if where you began. Additionally, 6months or a year out, when one of your acquaintances talks about how they didn't even recognize you, there is going to be a big girl/guy there overhearing the conversation, someone will ask how you did it. The big girl/guy will assume that you lost 50 or 60 lbs, once they see where you came from you will become their saving grace.

Yes, you are bigger than most of us were when we started, that just means that your opportunity to improve your life and inspire others is that much greater.

I think it's time to bump this thread.

Hmm. Not sure that I want to go with that argument. First' date=' dairy has been a part of adult human diets for much longer than a couple hundred years - perhaps as early as the Neolithic period, but in any case as early as 4 millennia BC in some regions of the world. With that being the case, I would say that the simple factor of dairy being in our diet at the same time as your perceived start of the decline in health is not the direct correlation you are implying. There could be correlation with the type of dairy, or the amount of certain types of dairy, but the simple fact of its presence in the adult human diet doesn't appear to align.

Second, if you make that case then you would basically need to go to a raw diet to be consistent. After all, do you know of another species that regularly mixes ingredients, then cooks the resulting mixture? How about one that cooks at all?

Note that I'm not trying to argue whether dairy is beneficial. There are logical arguments in both camps. I am just pointing out a couple of issues with the particular argument you're making.

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First I would like to point out my first statement. I said, I believe milk shouldn't be a MAJOR part of the human diet. Never once did I say it should be completely removed. I believe in moderation more than anything else. Also never once did I even insinuate that milk is wholly responsible for the deterioration in human health. I do believe the over use of it is part of the puzzle.

As far as your argument regarding mixing of foods, I fail to see how that could have any bearing on this discussion. Whether you eat foods individually or it all gets mixed in to a salad, you are still consuming the same foods.

And yes, a raw diet is superior to a cooked diet. This has been proven over & over. When you cook foods you strip them of their nutrients.

To suggest that I would have to follow a strict raw diet to be consistent is a bit presumptive, I have consistently stated in this forum that I am completely fallible, and any advice I give is based on what I believe to be "best practices", not necessarily what I adhere to 100% of the time.

Yes, I do eat raw most of the time. Yes, I do use milk products in moderation. I even use artificial sweeteners from time to time. If you are looking for 100% consistency from someone, then you are looking in the wrong direction. This man is fallible and has done many things in his life to the detriment of his own health.

The milk debate reminds me so much of the egg debate. One year it's good for you' date=' the next it's bad. For now, I'm sticking with my NUT since what she says has been working well so far! Lol will be interesting to see what the research says over the next year or so though![/quote']

I am one of the people that believes milk is not something that should be. A major part of a human . I don't rely on studies to prove or disprove this. I come to this conclusion by asking one simple question.

If you look at the human diet historically everything in our diet is also in other animals diets. This holds true until the last couple hundred years. Coincidentally health problems associated with the foods we eat have multiplied during the same time frame.

Here is the question. Can you name one animal that consumes milk as part of its normal diet beyond infancy?

O.T.R.' date=' I am trying to work out whether that advice was given as a VST Moderator or as a Sarcasm Specialist. Either way, it's sad to me because I have given up.

I tried damn hard but it was all just TOO HARD. Yes I am slim and at my goal weight. Can I eat, not really. Sunday is Mothers Day and my children are planning a BBQ family get-together. They will go to a lot of trouble and I will try to pretend that I am enjoying the day. I will eat (1/2 cup at most) try not to look like I am in agony then when no-one is looking find a private place where I can do lots of deep breathing and maybe even throw up. I will try not to faint because of my low blood pressure and make sure that I drink lots of Water to combat this, which will mean I will eat even less. This is my life at social occasions now or when my loving partner cooks or takes me to dinner.

Then I will go home and drown my sorrows with lots of alcohol and diet cola and maybe even a chocolate bar.

So, go ahead, I have given you lots of reasons to burn me at the stake. Tell me I eat too fast, or too much or or or...........I have tried it all. And now I will go and curl up somewhere that people don't want to burn me because I am a quitter. You are right, this isn't a comfortable place, I need to find a support group who gives those who are struggling most support.

As a VST Moderator maybe you should open your mind and heart to that concept.

And by the way, I don't see myself as a quitter, I played the game the best I could, but had to admit defeat.[/quote']

Firstly, I will clarify, the "burning people at the stake" comment was not only sarcasm, but also an observation of what does happen here from time to time. I can't say that I condone it, but it will & does happen.

As far as you giving up, I don't quite believe you have. Yes, I can see that you are frustrated, and you feel defeated, but, you are still here, you are still trying to "figure it out". I checked your profile for a surgery date but had no luck there. I know you've been part of the forum for a while, but when was your surgery?

I'm a month out of surgery and its a generic allergy pill- you think that I'll be okay if I swallow whole?!

I'm sure you will be fine.

It's going to be hard to find someone on this forum that fills that criteria.

To gain "all" the weight back one would have to completely given up. Well, someone who has given up is not going to hang out here. We specialize in supporting all those who share our common goal & burning all quitters at the stake. This just wouldn't be a comfortable place for someone who has given up.

Be honest. The problem with trying to twist the facts is you have to remember exactly what you told who, then your story will change a bit with each person you tell.

Sooner or later the people you talk to will talk to each other, and with the differences in what each of them were told, they will figure out that you are hiding something. Then they will either assume the worst (you're dying and hiding it) or they will lose respect for you because they now consider you a liar.

Additionally if gossip is a concern for you, the best way to thwart gossip is to lay it all out there yourself.

I am wondering do we have to crush every pill we need to take? How about a small allergy pill? It's smaller than an m&m- do I still need to crush it?

Talk to your dr, early in healing phase (first 1-3 weeks) many prescriptions can be converted to liquid.

For those that cannot, no, you don't have to crush "all" meds. Some medication absolutely should not be crushed because it is compounded to release a certain way from its whole state.

I was able to take rather large Vitamins within 72hrs of surgery.

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Maybe saying "it's easy to gain every ounce back" is a bit of a stretch, but there are many cases where people have regained substantial weight back. Granted, this is almost always caused by a total disregard of the lifestyle changes that we all should be well aware of before undergoing this surgery.

No, it is very unlikely that throwing up caused any damage.

Now for 20 lashings with a wet noodle. You are less than 2weeks post op. although shrimp is very high Protein, it is also very fibrous and really should be avoided till you reach full foods. Plus this early out your stomach is still in shock and isn't communicating the full sensation as effectively as it should. It is very easy to overdo solid foods, thought you are not likely to actually harm yourself, for best results, stick to the plan.

Hopefully I wasn't too hard on you.

I also just ordered a sample pack...I am interested in how each of you prepare these...I am having my surgery Monday...will be 2 days clear liquid but will be able to have these nectar drinks after that..I am thinking I would mix them in my Ninja blender with Water and ice to make like a slush type drink...thoughts?

One of my favorite ways to use it is to mix it with a sugar free flavored drink. My preferred is

1L bottle spring Water (high PH)

.5-1 scoop nectar fuzzy navel

1 ocean spray on-the-go cran-peach

Plenty of good tasting Protein filled hydration.

Just a quick note for anybody that uses chia regularly check out azchia.com , if you are willing to buy 9lbs at a time they have the best price I've found.

Thanks for the reply O.T.R.- I guess taste and price' date=' in that order. They have Bariatric Advantage at my NUT's office, and it tastes ok, but it's 70. I was just hoping to find one a little more affordable.

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I'd recommend getting sample packs from everybody you can. Syntrax offers a one time sample pack for 13 including shipping. 866-333-7403

Then once you find the flavors you like, I order mine on Amazon for $32 for a 2lb tub and it ships amazon prime.

Syntrax's nectar line & powders?utm_source=BariatricPal&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=CommentLink" target="_ad" data-id="1" >unjury are the best. What criteria are you looking at? Best taste, price, highest quality?

Time for Payless. They'll be worn out in 6months, just in time for a good pair.

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That is exactly what I was going to type until I saw you did first!

There are plenty of "tools" on the forum

I really do wish you'd quit talking about me like that.

I'm going to gather up some kindling....' date='

I'll be right back! [/quote']

Kindling??? I got a 5gallon can gasoline

How do you not stay in the hospital though? I required IV fluids for a couple days and couldn't leave the hospital.

Hospital stays in the US are prohibitively expensive. A 2 night stay in a hospital (like most Mexico surgeries ) could easily add $5-9K to your bill.