Hi everyone. I've missed talking with all of you. Since I've been away, God has given me some new insights into his truths that I felt I needed to bring back to all of you. In the past, I shared with some about what happens to unbelievers when they die. I shared that unbelievers would spend their eternity in a place called hell that was an eternal seperation from God and the believers in Heaven. I've been doing alot of studying in the scriptures and digging deeper into the words of God and praying for wisdom on the topic of Hell. I've since learned that I was not accurate about what happens to those who die and don't trust Jesus for their salvation. I want to correct my past stand on the issue.

God has shown me that all men are born mortal. (they don't have the ability to live forever) They can become immortal (have the ability to live forever) if they seek after it. Immortality can be found in Jesus Christ. If a person believes in Jesus and trusts him to bring them into Heaven when they die, then they will be given (by God) the ability to live forever. God alone is immortal. No man has seen God as of yet. All who have died in the past are at rest (sleeping) until the return of Jesus to this earth. At that time,(and no man knows the day nor the hour of His return) all the believers in Jesus from Adam to the present will be resurrected from their sleep. (awakened) They will be brought into God's presence at that time. Then, about 7 years later they will return to this earth once again to rule and reign with Jesus on the earth. Jesus will rule for 1000 years more (a millinium) and after this time is over, the earth will end. All the unbelievers since Adam's time to the present will be resurrected (as mortals, for they did not seek after immortality and can not receive it) from their sleep of death and be judged according to their deeds. Since they didn't trust in Jesus for their salvation, they are cast into a place called Hell (which I believe is the earth we are on right now) and die a second death and are destroyed. They perish along with the present earth in a great fire. (thus why people say hell is a firey place) Then God will make a new Heaven and Earth for those who believed in Him to live on for all eternity. Where I was wrong was in my telling you that those who go to Hell live there forever and suffer for their decision to live without God. Since unbelievers in Jesus can not receive immortality unless they seek after it and become children of God through believing in Jesus, then they can not have "life" in Hell. They don't get life, they get death. The famous verse most people know from the bible, John 3:16 says that there are 2 options in life. Believe and have eternal life or don't believe and perish. (Perish: to become destroyed or ruined : cease to exist) So, I'm sorry for giving you the wrong information the last time I was here. God has opened my eyes to the truth and shared it with me in his word. The death sentence is one of the worse sentences that man can receive from the hand of a jury and judge. It is also the worse sentence that one can receive from God. If you wouldn't like to receive the death sentence in this life, then you surely won't like receiving it from God when you awaken from your sleep of death to be judged before Him, especially when you awaken from that sleep and view what you could be getting instead; eternal life in Heaven. So, please take some time to talk to God right now and ask Jesus to be your savior and to give you immortality.

Thanks for reading. I know it's long. Please comment back. Love, Patty

Hummingbird, The last time I had a fill was about early 09. I was pretty much at my capacity then and I don't think I can tolerate eating any less than I already do. I will reconsider it though. I weigh 220, but I don't eat much at all. If I make a sandwich for lunch, I can only take about 3-4 bites of it,

Hi elcee!

Thanks for the warm welcome!

Cheri, It's nice to be back. You're right, and since this is the rants and raves section of lap band, no one can say I can't talk about the things I choose to. Hope your day is great!

It is so glad to see your post but . . . this one I don't totally agree with you on all points you made. That is why as Christians we need to read and study the Word.

Cheri

Hi Patty I'm new to this site.I joined in 2010 but didn't use it until a couple of months ago.banded 4/6/2012.I never saw rants thread until just now.Reading others posts on here I'm understanding that this is the " anything goes" place.with that said I must say personally I was turned of by your post.I felt like it was inappropriate .May be I need to learn more about how this works but I didn't like it. I think that you have every right to say what u want and not trying to stop u.But just for me I would love to hear more about God giving us strength and power to get healthy,or how God is with is when we are in a bad place and binging, or how faith and prayer have been scientifically proven to help heal .I guess I've heard the fire and brimstone message enough in my life.Hell is real I agree but innmy opinion every body has been told about their sins but not enough people know about God's love or his power to give u power to get out of ur situation.......I guess that's my rant !!God bless you !! :-)

Cheri, Would you like to talk about what ponts you disagree with me on? I've been doing some deeper reading, praying and studying of the word lately.

Hi bigenuff, I'm sorry that what I posted wasn't pleasant to you. See, I was on this site back in 2010 for about two years and really got to know alot of people personally who posted here. We used to discuss everything about God and many, many different controversial issues and their relationship to scripture. I stopped posting because I felt God asked me to. When I posted this post,in my mind, it was really meant for those whom I used to converse with back then. They would understand more my meaning for posting what I did. So, I apologize for the abruptness of my topic. I am always willing to talk about God's love and mercy and grace towards mankind, or His wonderful desire to heal us and help us through difficult situations. Here's one: My son was recently diagnosed with lymphoma cancer back in November last year. He was prayed for by thousands and thousands of people for healing and 2 months ago, half way through his treatments, he had a PET scan that declared he was healed and is now free from the cancer. I give the Glory for that healing to God and Him alone! It's nice to meet you, and God bless you, too. Patty

Just curious an no disrespect but did God give you any insight on Rev. where it talks about a 144,000 going to heaven. An a large crowd will live forever in a Paradise right here on earth. We will grow an we will eat. We will build an we will occupy As mentioned in Isaiah. Or even the Almighties name as found at Psalms 83:18.

Just some thoughts. Nice to see another christian out here

We will grow an we will eat. We will build an we will occupy.

My problem is that I definitely ate what I had grown and then some and I definitely occupied but never unoccupied. Which is why I'm getting the band!

heh. I can tie the band to anything.

Lol luv it

Hi Tym4me, The book of Revelations, in chapter 7, speaks of 144,000 people from the tribe of Israel (Jewish people) whom God places a seal upon their foreheads. He seals them to protect them from his coming wrath upon the people on the earth during that time. They are Jewish believers in Jesus during the tribulation period, which is 7 years of terrible times of suffering and it will happen after Jesus returns to take the Christians off the earth. In Chapter 14 it speaks again of the 144,000 when they stand in Zion with Jesus. Zion is Jeruselum, here on the earth. It never mentions that they go to Heaven. People will live on the earth for 1000 years after the return of Jesus. Those 144,000 will live with them also. After the 1000 years are over, God destroys this earth with fire and makes a new heaven and a new earth where believers will live forever. It's never called Paradise, It's called a new heaven and a new earth (Rev. 21:1) You mentioned Psalm 83:18 "That men may know that you, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth." This verse tells of the name of God. God has many names. Jehovah, Jesus, I am, Lord, etc.

Hi patty you bring out some good points although maybe not accurately put. However i come here for my wls so maybe conversing in another way or forum would be appropriate.

I understand from you stating God has many names an using Jesus as one of them that you must believe in the trinity. That could be an interesting discussion

Hi bigenuff' date=' I'm sorry that what I posted wasn't pleasant to you. See, I was on this site back in 2010 for about two years and really got to know alot of people personally who posted here. We used to discuss everything about God and many, many different controversial issues and their relationship to scripture. I stopped posting because I felt God asked me to. When I posted this post,in my mind, it was really meant for those whom I used to converse with back then. They would understand more my meaning for posting what I did. So, I apologize for the abruptness of my topic. I am always willing to talk about God's love and mercy and grace towards mankind, or His wonderful desire to heal us and help us through difficult situations. Here's one: My son was recently diagnosed with lymphoma cancer back in November last year. He was prayed for by thousands and thousands of people for healing and 2 months ago, half way through his treatments, he had a PET scan that declared he was healed and is now free from the cancer. I give the Glory for that healing to God and Him alone! It's nice to meet you, and God bless you, too. Patty[/quote']

Yes I just come here for support and even spirit led support is good just didn't expect to read about hell on a help site. But if God is leading u to talk about that god bless u !

Just my opinion, but none of us own this place and can talk about what we chose to. Every post Pattygreen posts will probably include some reference to our Heavenly Father. It is her post and right to post what she wants here as long as it follows the rules, Isn't that right?

I am a Christian and I talk about praying and healing from God when I feel the need to. Pattygreen is studying and learning new things and she feels led to share them, so she must, or I believe answer for it later. We may not all agree with every word she says but it is her post. Who does agree with every post someone makes?

People who are offended when they read something that includes Christ should just choose another thread to read and post on. She is in the right catagory.

There are a lot of Christians on these foms most all have made reference to God or praying and I have never seen them attacked, so what gives?

In the past Pattygreen had several people who would get into some good, some heated, some mean conversations with them this area is a off topic/debate area.

Just my feeling but I would rather read a post about Jesus than “anal sex”, or “do you still swallow after in band”, or lets see “how to bed a hot chick” and many, many other ones over the past 3 year.

If you read what the topic is and don't like it I say don't read it just like I did not read the above threads and many more.

Cheri

Very true Cheri.

I don't like reading the religious posts but some of them can be quite entertaining. You are right that they are probably still preferable to some of the sexual ones. There is nothing wrong with sex and most people do it but I think a lot of us prefer to keep what we do in the bedroom in the bedroom.

The problem with religious posts is that people that believe are all so zealous and all so convinced that they are right. Christians(born again and traditional) think they are the only ones that are right, ditto Jews, mormons, Scientologists, Wiccans etc.

Well either some are right and some wrong or else they are all wrong. I don't actually think it matters. To me what you do and how you behave is far more important than what you believe in. I am not going to live my life worrying about what may or may not happen after I die, I would rather try to be the best that i can be whilst i am still alive.