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By your logic we should also call DS & SADI sleeve gastrectomies. Heck, it's even in the name for SADI-S: single anastomosis duodeno-ileal bypass with sleeve gastrectomy. Either way, both surgeries probably have more in common with sleeve than traditional bypass in that they retain the pyloric valve and the bulk of the stomach is removed. Yes, they all bypass a section of the small intestine, but RYGB only bypasses the duodenum whereas traditional DS bypasses the duodenum, jejunum, and proximal ileum. SADI-S sort of splits the difference. Where and how much of the small intestine is bypassed makes a HUGE difference in nutrient absorption since the various parts of the small intestine affect absorption differently. Grouping them all together just because they bypass a part of the small intestine makes as much sense as grouping them in with sleeve gastrectomy since they also are pyloric-sparing surgeries. Aside from the technicalities of the surgeries themselves, In practice DS/SADI are pretty rare, so trying to group them in with RYGB just seems really odd to most of us here. Heck, the name of the surgery specific board here is "Gastric Bypass" not "Roux-en-Y gastric bypass". If that's not enough for you, just do a Google search for "gastric bypass". Pretty much every result you get is going to be one that is using the term interchangeably with Roux-en-Y gastric bypass. Let's get back to the question at hand and why I called this out. By you grouping all three of these surgeries together and claiming they all need additional supplementation of vitamins ADEK is factually incorrect. Gastric Bypass patients do not need this. For someone that seems concerned about taking vitamins that "aren't needed", please don't spread misinformation about what others need.
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Having second thoughts
catwoman7 replied to monikapaintsstuff's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
there really isn't malabsorption at all with sleeve. There is with bypass - that's why we take more vitamins than sleevers. But the vitamin thing is really second nature after a while - you just go on autopilot. major complications with either surgery are pretty rare. With sleeve, the most common one is GERD, but not everyone gets it, and for most who do get it, it can be controlled medically (e.g. pantaprazole, which you said you're already taking). Some people with severe GERD do revise to bypass, but it's not a huge percentage that have it that badly. But yes - it IS a potential issue. The most common issue with bypass (besides dumping, which about 30% of us deal with (I never have), but that can be controlled by not eating a bunch of sugar or fat at one sitting, which we shouldn't be doing anyway). The second most common is a stricture, but those are an easy fix. They just do an endoscopy and stretch it out. I had one. Happens to about 5% of us, according to the PA in my surgeon's office (if they're going to happen, it'll be within the first three months after surgery - it's very rare for them to occur after that). if you need more time to think about this, though, then take it. It's a big decision. But as SpartanMaker said, you almost never hear anyone say they regretted it. The only regret most people have is that they didn't do it sooner. I had it at age 55. I wish now that I'd done it at least a decade earlier. P.S. I had GERD prior to surgery, so I went with bypass. I know the chance of having it get worse (for those who already have GERD) with sleeve is only 30%, but I didn't want to risk it. Besides, sleeve was still pretty new when I had my surgery, and I was a little afraid of it turning into "lapband 2" - but it's been around long enough at this point that I wouldn't have had that particular worry. It works well and it's safe. But I still would have chosen bypass for myself because I was afraid I'd be one of those whose GERD would get worse. -
Wow, thank you for sharing that SpartanMaker. I’m actually finna have gastric bypass.
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Wegovy not working
audaciousmarie replied to wendywitch7's topic in GLP-1 & Other Weight Loss Medications (NEW!)
Thank you so much for your response. It’s perfect timing that I saw this as I just left the Bariatric surgeon’s office. My experience with GLP-1s was quite discouraging. I was just about ready to give up trying to lose the weight I regained. However, my appointment with the Bariatric surgeon was quite encouraging. He agrees that I qualify for a revision surgery. He laid out the revision surgery options: Bypass, SADI-S or SIPS. Apparently the final revision surgery method will be determined during the surgery when he is able to assess my intestine length for the bypass/malabsorption effect. So for now, I’m going to focus on completing the program steps (Barium swallow, Psych appointment, Nutrition appt, support group, etc) so they can submit the PA for revision surgery. So I’m going to focus on completing the insurance requirements -
Should I Consider A Revision?
GataAnime posted a topic in Revision Weight Loss Surgery Forums (NEW!)
Hi, I just had a four year surgiversary yesterday. In the first two years I made it down to 185-187 from 252. I did the calculations, and that was only about 25%-26% of my body weight lost. Doing the research, I've found that anything less than a 50% weight loss in the first two is generally considered failure. I maintained around 185-190 for over a year, and then gained 20 pounds seemingly overnight without changing much--we all have our lapses, but this was not enough to explain a 20-pound weight gain. Also, I am approaching The Change, so maybe this is part of that. All I know is I'm frustrated, and I'm not even sure that my initial surgery was successful. I guess I'm asking what other members of The Order Of The Sleeve who got sleeved at late 40s-early 50s have experienced. I plan to talk to my PCP, but what do you think? Should I consider revision based on the initial results? Would it even be worth doing at this point? -
Welcome! I'm not sure what surgery you are considering, but as food for thought, Gastric Bypass does have significantly better rates of type 2 diabetes remission: https://www.facs.org/media-center/press-releases/2024/gastric-bypass-improves-long-term-diabetes-remission-even-after-weight-recurrence/ I personally went off all my diabetes meds about 2 weeks after surgery.
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Why did you prefer Gastric Sleeve over Gastric Bypass?
GreenTealael replied to HopeBar's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I chose sleeve over bypass because at the time it was considered a safer profile surgery with the same effectiveness. I had other medical conditions I needed to focus on and could not risk dealing with complications. It still makes sense to that past nervous version of me. However this version of me (which needed to be revised from sleeve to bypass from complications from sleeve 🤣) would choose differently. All things considered, All things being equal and if I had to choose again I would pick bypass over sleeve (especially if I was a self pay patient or my insurance excluded revisions). -
Having second thoughts
monikapaintsstuff replied to monikapaintsstuff's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I don't know much about that, is it different from the sleeve and the bypass? -
Heartburn and hernia--time for bypass?
ajb1029 replied to ajb1029's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
So update-spoke with a surgeon today who recommended what I have been thinking--hernia repair and do the bypass. I had worries about lack of iron absorption with the bypass but I found out today because I am having to use so much famotidine I basically have very little to zero acid which is necessary for absorption so famotidine is REALLY unsustainable. Also found out on fluoroscopy, my sleeve is not dilated, but I have a kink at the top, which he said is not helping the reflux on top of the hernia. So now I need all the prayers, warm vibes and well wishes that my insurance can do the right thing and not make this a huge pain in the ass to the point I give up and go to Mexico. Also-just to get my ducks in a row--anyone SUCCESSFULLY fight and get a revision covered for use of medical need not weight loss where it normally wouldn't be covered? I'm not gonna lie, I'm not hopeful. Also, does anyone have experience with and can recommend the best Mexico center for sleeve to bypass with hernia repair? Just so I have plan B. Thanks for any insight or help anyone can give!! Sent from my SM-S908U using BariatricPal mobile app -
My lap band removal was terrible. I lost a lot of weight in the beginning and ended up gaining all my weight back and then some after a couple years of having the band. I kept it about 10 years. I had my band out last January and ended up having bypass last October. The band removal was very uncomfortable, i had a drain and I just felt overall terrible compared to bypass which was an easy surgery for me….that band was the Bain of my existence personally….bypass a lot lot lot better so far for me. Good luck and get that miserable thing out.
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Why did you prefer Gastric Sleeve over Gastric Bypass?
FifiLux replied to HopeBar's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Sleeve was recommended to me by the surgeon as I have pernicious anaemia and after reading up on both I felt the sleeve was more for me, so I could be in more control, especially given that I could then get a revision to bypass if needed. -
I am now 6 yrs post revision (also my birthday a few days ago). I can’t believe it has been that long! It doesn’t really feel like it but then again I still think 2020 was just 2 years ago, lol. So far no issues, current labs are decent and weight continues to be stable at ~150 lbs. The only noteworthy development is my new found, all consuming passion for gardening.
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Wegovy not working
ShoppGirl replied to wendywitch7's topic in GLP-1 & Other Weight Loss Medications (NEW!)
That’s awesome. I have been very pleased with my revision to SADI. My surgeon didn’t mention the intestine length thing but he did have me do the barium swallow, an endoscopy and a gastric emptying study before saying that the SADI would be an option as well as the bypass and it was up to me which I wanted to do. There are pros and cons to the SADI revision. statistically (which by definition means there are outliers that are more or less) but the majority of people lose faster and the loss is more durable which got my attention but the possibility of bathroom issues is significant (fortunately I didn’t have this at all until I recently started chemo but I don’t think it has anything to do with the surgery). One con though of SADI is that many doctors have never heard of it. From my family Dr, to the urgent care, ER physicians, gyno, radiologies, breast surgeon, etc. Even the gastro dr who will be doing an endoscopy and colonoscopy on me Monday has never heard of the SADI but my bariatric doctor said he will explain my anatomy to her and it will be fine. I always tell them it’s a modified version of the Duodenal Switch with one anastomosis instead of two and if they still look confused I tell them it’s not exactly but kinda like a bypass and a sleeve combined. But obviously I need the person putting a camera in there to understand better than that. I think you will be very pleased with your results from either one but another thing to consider is if you have a complication or need revision to the SADI how many doctors are able to operate on you. My surgeon told me that if I had a complication he would stabilize me but he would send me to a nearby hospital if I needed any type of revision. I appreciated that he was willing to admit his limits and I was okay with that but I guess it is a risk you may want to ask about. Your surgeon may very well have done lots of these but mine had not. Also, not a lot of doctors will do a revision to the SADI just because of regain. You would be more likely to find someone to revise a bypass. Not that we are hoping to need a third surgery but obesity is complex and a lifelong struggle so it’s something to think about. I wish you the best of luck. And hope to hear about your surgery date soon. -
Hello! I'm not diabetic, but my mother was. She had bypass surgery in 2008 and she was able to reverse diabetes becaue of her surgery. It was only about 2022 or so when she needed diabetes medications again, but she had other health problems It's definitely possible that this surgery will help.
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Obviously you need to decide what's right for you. I was in the same boat as you in that they discovered inflammation during my EGD. I had already been leaning toward RYGB anyway, but that sealed the deal as far as I was concerned. My doctor stressed that even though I wasn't having issues with GERD, there was a strong possibility I'd develop issues if I insisted on SG. As far as risk is concerned, all surgeries carry some risk and since RYGB is a more complex surgery, you are correct that some studies show a marginally higher risk profile. Interestingly, other studies show no difference. Keep in mind that obese people are all going to have a higher surgical risk for ANY procedure than a normal sized person. Other factors that increase risk are things like heart disease, diabetes, smoking, etc. Also, surgical experience and the quality of the facilities play a huge role in overall risk. My point is that cross sectional studies showing risk are not equivalent to YOUR risks of surgery. In terms of "convertability", I think my opinion is somewhat the opposite of yours. Technically, RYGB is completely reversible, since unlike SG, nothing is removed from your body. This to me was a huge plus in my decision making process. When we look at revisions, keep in mind that revision of SG due to GERD is pretty common and those revision surgeries basically revise the patient to gastric bypass to alleviate the GERD. I can't speak to your malabsorption concerns since first of all, malabsorption in and of itself is potentially a good thing for weight loss. i can see a concern for malnutrition, but I was willing to commit to a lifetime of vitamin and calcium supplementation. I also try hard to eat a fairly healthy diet, thus also upping the chances that I have no issues with malnutrition. If you are not willing to commit you those things then yes, this may be an issue for you. Keep in mind that while it's less common, SG patients can also suffer from malnutrition. It's actually recommended that all bariatric surgery patients use supplements and eat a healthy diet and I think as long as you do those things, neither surgery is going to be an issue. Best of luck whatever you decide.
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Having second thoughts
SpartanMaker replied to monikapaintsstuff's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Regarding malabsorption of gastric bypass, I find that most people contemplating surgery way overestimate the impact of this. In gastric bypass, only a small part of your small intestine is bypassed. Just from a nutrient absorption perspective, the amount of malabsorption is around 5 to 10%. That's really an oversimplification however, because different nutrients are absorbed differently across various parts of the small intestine. I'm not an expert on depression meds, but if that's your major concern, it's entirely possible your current prescription might work just fine if you did end up having bypass surgery. I don't take any depression meds, but I do take a pretty high number of other medications and have not had to take MORE of any of those meds due to malabsorption. In fact, most of them I've had to reduce or stop entirely because I'm a healthier, smaller person than I was before. Even if it did become an issue for you, I'm sure your doctors would be able to find the right combo of meds for you. Regarding remembering to take vitamins, it's really not a big deal. Like anything, you get used to it over time and there are ways to remind you if you need those reminders. -
I had my endoscopy today. Dr said I have a J stomach and some gastritis. That we will “stick to our plan for now”. Bypass scheduled for June 24th. Anyone else have this? Will this stop the surgery from happening?
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Seriously considering VSG to RNY revision 10yrs later
GreenTealael replied to mi75's topic in Revision Weight Loss Surgery Forums (NEW!)
I never see anyone as far out from revision as I am (5+ yrs) post here anymore. Where are all of our Vets? Go with a surgeon who does a lot of revisions if you can. They may have more experience with complicated anatomies. Good luck! -
For me it has been a life changer. I had the sleeve and lost weight but not as much as I had hoped and then I gained it right back plus some. Never did have the metabolic changes or the changes that made it a little easier to eat healthy so when I got done with my SADI revision I know right away that it was going to be different this time. I mean I still want pizza and burgers but I don’t hate chicken and fish now either so it makes it a little easier to make the healthy choice most of the time. I also exercise a lot and I think that has made all the difference in my commitment to my new lifestyle as well as My mood and overall health. Obviously I can’t say I know if it would have been better or worse with the Bypass but statistically as a revision the SADi does provide more loss and a more durable loss. Of course it is never so not as much long term research has been done and bypass is the tried and true gold standard but as a revision the loss is statistically less than as a virgin surgery. I think for me it was a perfect fit but you will want to keep in mind that you need to understand your surgery well enough to explain it or call your surgeon and ask them to when it is appropriate. Most of my doctors have never heard of it and when I was about to get an endoscopy/ colonoscopy done and the dr hadn’t heard of it I called my surgeon to see if that was okay and he called to explain my anatomy to them. Another thing to consider is whether you surgeon is resleeving your stomach. Mine did not. He said the difference in weight loss was not significant amount to take the risks that come with reducing the pouch. Something to do a bit of research on to decide if it’s worth it to you. If you have any specific questions about my experience let me know.
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I had bypass surgery and have always had GERD. Treated with omaprazole and lifestyle. Surgery was still the best thing I ever did for myself. Gerd is nothing compared to being 100 pounds overweight.
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Conversion from sleeve to bypass
Mark1107 replied to Georgetown's topic in Revision Weight Loss Surgery Forums (NEW!)
Just switched from the sleeve to bypass. I had a hh the first surgeon didn’t fix. Been in constant pain for 5 years with ulcers and major gerd. Now with bypass surgery last weekend already I can drink with out hurting. I’m excited to experience life again after 5 years of misery. The bypass is the way to go. -
Conversion from sleeve to bypass
tinyforks replied to Georgetown's topic in Revision Weight Loss Surgery Forums (NEW!)
I had the VSG in 12/23. I chose the VSG over the bypass due to wanting to have children and fearing malnutrition during pregnancy. I had a hh that they didn't tell me about and didn't repair during the surgery (no clue why). I've had GERD since the surgery (never had it prior), so we decided to try doing a hh repair to see if that would help. I had the repair done about a month ago and the GERD is coming back with a vengeance. I think I will need to convert to a bypass, but I want to wait until after having children (hopefully soon!). Major bummer, but I still don't regret doing the VSG. -
Conversion from sleeve to bypass
Chelle Parris replied to Georgetown's topic in Revision Weight Loss Surgery Forums (NEW!)
I just had a sleeve to bypass 3 weeks ago 23lbs down so far. -
Has anyone else experienced severe, stabbing pain in the left side of their abdomen after eating - sometimes not even then but random times. About 3 inches to the left of the navel that is sharp & stabbing. Bowels normal for patient, never experienced constipation, no particular food sets it off and lasts for up to 30 minutes? Patient is 4 months post sleeve revision to mini gastric bypass.
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My surgery was 6/11 had the gastric bypass. I feel so blessed I have not had really any complications. I am down 28.2 pounds since surgery but I am very frustrated with the weight loss. I seem to be stalled and just not moving at all. only losing 1-5 pounds a week the last 4 weeks. thought the weight was supposed to come off quickly in this first few months.
