El Diablo

And more food for thought, what is prompting these people to cross the border, risk death by dehydration, starvation, overzealous anti-immigrants, etc. and for what? Jobs that pay cash only, no benefits that we enjoy because they are illegals, constantly living in fear of being deported. What jobs are they taking away from us? crappy ones that nobody here wants anyway. So to risk everything to come here speaks to how bad it is there.

You know how I am save the animals save the people ...I don't think people are vermin or just because you were born here you get a better life these people are pushed to the extremes because of their situations fight or flight...think of the underground railroad...

And to continue I think people who abuse animals should be killed. I think in general people don't understand what Mexico is like, it is horrible. If any attention was paid to the conditions there by the media, people would rethink their position on the issue.

Just for the record so people know where I am coming from. I own a house in Texas, I'm in Oregon temporarily due to my wife's assignment here (U.S. Army Recruiter) I voted for Mr. Bush, I am a U.S. Army veteran(retired). I work occasionally as an Army contractor. I voted for Mr. McCain, I am a Republican, I believe "Slick Willy" was an embarrassment to this country, I think Osama is full of shit but I am looking to see his "Change" happen. I don't think anybody is more firmly to the "right" than me. I agree the liberal media spoon feeds pablum to the masses, I don't watch NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC news because I know exactly what they are selling. I believe in the death penalty. (There!, now that I've alienated the other 99% percent of people on the forum) however...... I have never worked with any class of people more hardworking than Mexicans. Yes, they load 20 of themselves in a van after work and pop the beers before they are out of the parking lot, but work they do. My wife deals with the gifted youth of America every day, pot smokin, can't pass an entrance exam but graduated high school punks who are happy with their skateboards and plan on living with mom and dad until they are 40. These immigrants aren't the problem, come one, come all I say, here's a job that the uppity Americans won't do. If we are going to target groups of people for deportation I can think of several more deserving.

Wow, I am just speechless.

Dan, don't be a stalker.

lol, he's everywhere, he's everywhere!

Isn't it funny how you never hear or see headlines saying "illegal immigrant sodmizes 10 year old girl" or "illegal immigrant jailed for having sex with dog". No that's us good ole americans. Point of fact, they really don't cause too many problems, they are busy doing crap jobs and avoiding la migra.

NOTE: I AM NOT saying this just to argue with Beth but.....

shoot em? mongrels?

Are we all native americans here then? I'm not a supporter of illegal immigrants but they are still people with moms and dads and kids, not mongrels to be shot. If I was on the jury, I'd certainly vote to dismiss their lawsuit but let's not round em all up and shoot em eh hitler?

You are that important, don't belittle yourself. Maybe you should look in other threads for some positive stuff, but thank you for your support of me.

Another way to look at it is that he is your personal guinea pig. I think it would be nice to have someone I know and trust who has been there, done that. Support him now so he can support you later.

:ohmy: Does this kind of hurtful banter go on here all the time? Isn't this a forum where people.... all people can share their feelings, experiences, ideas and such? Shouldn't we not be judging eachother? We all have our beliefs. If we all felt the same about everything we would be a boring bunch. Ultimately we are all brothers and sisters. How about we treat eachother with some respect. Agree to disagree?

I agree, I don't know why they are judgemental of me. I have ideas but some people dismiss my feelings out of hand but I don't hold it against them. Thank you for telling THEM to stop picking on me:crying:

There is a huge difference between not coddling someone and acting like an a$$hole. No one gives a shit how superior you feel you are. No one cares about your ability to 'give people pause and think', you don't have that much power. Your attitude makes you insignificant and people will ignore your self righteous attitude. Yeah, this is me not coddling you.

Apparently I have that power over you, here you are taking the time to tell me how unimportant I am. :ohmy:

You're right. You can decide who you are going to be. All the same, I would appreciate it if you would avoid any communication with me in the years, yes years, to come. I don't find your lack of compassion for others refreshingly honest. I find it boorish and damaging. If you'll recall, you started this thread. You weren't asked to coddle anyone. You are just trying to be hurtful, and nobody asked you.

Besides, you seem to have stated that you have a sexist disposition toward women, and I find that just as deplorable as racism. We've all been judged considerably in our lives by people who don't understand the difficulties of obesity. I don't need any more of that from you. Please don't respond to my posts, and I will avoid yours, as well. Good day.

I will specifically look for your posts now and help out where I can.

I'm sorry, but I don't speak to the pre-banded.

Classic :ohmy:

I am shocked at BethfromVA's vote, why can't we be friends?:thumbup:

OK - i'll bite and pretend that you're being serious. I think there's few long term at goal bandsters here because some pre bandsters think they know it all and dont want to hear sensible advice - even when they ask for it, they get shirty becuase they dont like the truth.

I'm not serious but thank you for playing.:thumbup:

Ouch! took a hit but I'm hangin in there.

What's your position on this matter, I'll go opposite :thumbup:

Yeah baby! dan2001xj is groovy leading by a nose, the people have spoken! Yes we can.

Part 2 of the Poll has moved, go here http://www.lapbandtalk.com/f80/anyone-notice-post-banders-bit-snobbish-87785/

I have very few responsibilities! I'm retired.

I find that post banders look down their noses at us pre-banders and feel we have no valid opinions about anything.

What do you think :thumbup:

Hi, I'm getting banded in March so no advice but I had to comment. Love your username.:thumbup:

Hi Fort Hood,

Stuck in Oregon for now but will be back in 1 and 1/2 years, can't wait.

I say keep doing what you are doing, make sure you are getting ENOUGH calories and your metabolism will kick back in eventually.

Dan2001xj, You say that your intent is not to offend, but your posts read as very confrontational. It sounds as if you are attempting to discredit everyone who might not agree with you. I am not banded yet, and you can look at my stats, but it won't tell you that I attended my seminar almost two years ago. I learned my insurance would not cover the costs, and I've worked very hard to be able to finance my surgery.

Likely, you would have lumped me into the short term group, though. Being on this site does not represent the total "research" one might do. It behooves all of us to read the medical journal literature about the band, either before or after you are banded. Chatting/posting is helpful, but it is not research. Moreover, do I think I've learned a ton more because my journey was a total pain in the A? No. I don't. I learned most of what I know within two weeks of the first seminar I went to. The weight was just harder than it needed to be, especially since I've had to struggle with two weight related illnesses the whole two years, and there was no benefit to waiting like that. None.

I will likely have times where I feel like I don't want the band, and times of discouragement. I'd like to think that during those moments I could come to this forum without worrying about being judged. Hint, hint.

Hint Hint, I agree with you except I will make people pause and think instead of offering a warm gooey rainbow hug, I will not coddle.

Has anyone noticed that Dan appears to be bored and simply looking for a fight?

I've seen other threads by him and he's appears to be a troll.

LOL, just because Beth called me a troll doesn't make it so SuzanneG. If you care to read all of my posts you will find the truth of the matter. I am pre-band no doubt. I just find it hard to not reply when people make excuses for failure. Maybe we should ask the mods for /a tell it like it is subforum to go along with the many /Here is a hug I will enable you to fail subforums.

Because this forum is predominantly women I do expect I will cause many problems over the years, yes years! I am here to stay and I will offer my OPINION just like you will. I am on my own journey and don't much care if anyone likes me or what I have to say, I'm not doing it for your approval and I will be the voice of reason when I see people lying to themselves and others. Why? because I can. The same reason you or others will provide advice like "It's ok that you ate a horse, I'm sure we all lose weight at different rates and try to exercise more" Why? because you can. I will be thought provoking for someone if nothing else.