BethFromVA

EXACTLY!! So, if I get this right, YOU as a property owner are being dictated to by the government that you are not allowed to raise your rents on her because SHE receives assistance. Did I get that right? So not only is she being owned by the government, so are you -- and you are just an unwilling participant. There is a difference between a handout and a hand up. When you have generations of people living on the dole, what is the government doing FOR them? They are making them totally reliant on the government rather than them being reliant on themselves. WHY IS THIS A GOOD THING?? I see absolutely NO benefit in this! I'll tell you, the liberals want -- NEED -- the poor. Hell, they have helped CREATE the poor. If they didn't have the poor, they would lose a large chunk of their voter base. When liberalism was the primary ruling party for about 40 years, did we end up with fewer poor? Did things get better in primarily poor and/or minority areas? Did their situations improve AT ALL?? No, it didn't. Why is that, if liberalism "works"? The fact is, it doesn't. Liberalism creates a whole class of people that are kept down by the chains of government under the guise of helping them out. I say if you start feeding a wild animal, that animal loses the ability and desire to go out and hunt for its own food. Have you improved the animal's situation by doing this?? What happens if the person feeding this animal dies or moves away or is no longer able to afford feeding it? At this point, you have created an animal who has lost the instinct to hunt or forage, and no doubt its offspring have now been affected by this problem as well. Since when is it evil and wrong to make people accountable to themselves and their families, encourage them to do things for themselves, and empower them to take charge of their OWN lives rather than enable them? This is what I don't understand about die-hard leftist liberals. What is wrong with self-reliance? What is wrong with less government intrusion into our lives and a smaller government, more personal accountability and responsibility, fewer taxes, the ability to build a better mouse trap and reap the rewards from doing so, and securing our borders? If anybody can tell me why those basic tenets of conservativism are wrong and evil, I'd love to hear it. So long as one side wants to enable people and reward bad behavior, you will have no problem finding people who will line up for it. Y'all have created a sense of entitlement in many people who have no conscience over stealing the hard-earned money of others. I choose NOT to share my wealth, and I feel no guilt in saying that. If I choose to share it with my family, that is MY choice; but I am tired of having the hard-working in this country be punished for doing everything RIGHT, while those who don't get rewarded. That is some effin' skewed thinking there. And unfortunately, I can't help but think less of those who support this type of thing.

What a liberal. You spin and spew and don't listen to logic OR facts, nor do you answer questions because you know that you have no defense to what you believe. It's the easiest way to totally unhinge you people. And I see it worked again. Y'all never disappoint, that's for sure. :confused:

By the way, for those who apparently don't know the definitions: so⋅cial⋅ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA –noun 1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.2.procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.3.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles. fas⋅cism   /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fash-iz-uhm] Show IPA –noun 1.(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.2.(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.3.(initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43. BJean is almost right. We are skimming past the socialism part and heading straight for the fascism arena. This guy thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants. If that isn't a dictator and/or tyrant, I don't know what is. And never forget, people loved Mussolini, too, until... :smile2:

Uh-huh, yeah. And I have this bridge to sell you... I see you haven't answered the hard questions yet. Interesting.

So let me ask you: If a conservative, ANY conservative, did what this loser is doing, would you stand staunchly behind it? Hell, would BJean?? I doubt it... :wink:

I can pretty much believe it, based on some of the other political threads we've been involved in. And I will spend the next four years doing all I can to knock this goober out of office. He sure as hell didn't earn the spot, and he's proving it.

Have ANY of these or your previous questions to her been answered?? Or are we getting the typical, left-wing dodge-and-spin reel? :wink: Never mind, I already know my answer. :confused:

BJean, quick question (I'm packing to go visit the folks at oh-dark-thirty in the morning)... You keep talking about the powers that Bush took from us. Okay, no doubt there. However, can you please show me WHERE in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or ANY OTHER DOCUMENT that the government has the right to steal businesses away from people and dictate who gets paid and how much? I'll check back later for your answer.

Ah, you're probably right! That makes sense. I was only half-listening when they did that part.

LOL, y'all are too funny -- and sweet! And OMG, I JUST figured out how to do the multi-quote!! I feel so smart. :smile2:

Well, first off I'm not sure how they decided who would come back, but it was the older woman from the husband/wife team (the one where the husband had to have medical treatment like the first week). She and Nicole looked really good! The third person was David of David and Daniel. Erm... they did side-by-side shots of then and now and I swear I saw NO difference. He is only down about 47 pounds. Ohh, decided to go look: "David has lost 48 pounds and hopes to “shock America” at the finale." Biggest Loser Season 7 Episode 4 Recap SO... he's actually UP a pound since he left the ranch. Guess we won't be too shocked, except at how badly he did... :thumbdown:

Of course I am. :thumbdown: BAH BAHHHHH!

BJean, I'm taking your very words from a recently prior post. YOU said Bush did nothing. It's very apparent you don't see what's going on. Can you read? I KEEP SAYING that I didn't endorse all that he was doing Yes, and it is called liberalism (the PC name for socialism) See quote above Sometimes war is a necessary evil. How do you think you got your freedom to say whatever you wish, no matter how foolish? Um, we have that NOW. No doubt. SO..... people are SO stupid that they are duped into buying homes? Really? Well, if they were that stupid, they never should have been allowed to own a goldfish, much less take on loans they knew they could not afford. What about the buyers' greedy frenzy? There's enough blame to go around BJean; unfortunately, you are a class enviast who puts ALL blame on industry and NONE on those who had to sign on the dotted line. Nobody can be "duped" unless they choose to be. Apparently "personal accountability" is not on your radar either. While I also hold the lenders responsible, they were FORCED by the government to make loans available to lowlifes who probably couldn't even get a credit card. Then when the money started rolling in... yeah, sure, the greed kicked in. But don't for a minute believe that the buyers' greed was just dumb stupidity. If my bank told me I could afford a million-dollar home, I'd have to be doing some math to find out if that was true. Again, SHEEPLE, BJean. Sheeple have no business buying homes or voting, for that matter. Sheeple only want what they want right now and don't care about the ramifications later. Most had no money down, so what were they out? NOTHING. No, not really. I believe in market corrections. I believe that if the government gets the hell out of the way, and quits taxing it, regulating it, or subsidizing it. Every freakin' thing the government runs or owns fails miserably AND costs 1,000 times more than it should. I dare you to prove me wrong. And the liberals' answer is to tax people into the ground. How is that working for you out in the land of nuts, flakes, and fruits, eh? I see what liberalism has done to your little dynasty out there. Way to go. :thumbdown: I agree with you to a point: If people could AFFORD the Chanel bags, designer fashions, cruises, etc., what is it to any of us? It's those who have champagne taste on a beer budget that caused most of this, those who feel entitled to have what others have without working for it. THAT is LIBERALISM, BJean, nothing more. And you are proving to me (though sadly not to yourself) that liberalism doesn't work, never has worked, and never will work. You are so right. That is why last night I went to my first Republican town meeting and joined. I figured I can either piss and moan about everything or I can get proactive and take this sack of shit down any way I can. It's amazing how many new members they have had join in the last couple of months. They laughingly claimed that Obama was their number-one recruitment tool. Unlike Obama who is screaming how the sky is falling and likely causing more panic and job losses than would be happening if he didn't act as if we were going to implode tomorrow. Remember, the liberal motto as stated by Shrillary and another on Obama's team (forget the name right now) BOTH said recently how they would never let a good crisis go to waste. Liberalism teaches that people aren't good enough, smart enough, or able to do things themselves; therefore, they must rely on government to do it. The more people they get on the rolls, the bigger their voter base becomes. It's a shame to know that if they didn't implement fear, the liberal party as we know it would all but dry up and blow away. If they didn't create poverty pimps, if they didn't create victims, if they didn't scare people shitless over lies and half truths, then the wizard would no longer have his power in the land of Oz, now, would he? Oh my freakin' GOD. See, this is why you and those like you will ruin us. Government has NEVER been the solution, only the problem. Well, for at least the last few generations, that is. Wow. See, I have more faith in the PEOPLE than I do a bunch of asshole bureaucrats with illusions of grandeur and who are power-tripping wingnuts. Like I said, look at your own state!!! It's virtually the worst of the bunch... and it's been run into the ground by LIBERALS. Yes, please, so let's take the socialist route because THAT works SO well. :seeya: You punish the working, reward the slobs, and then what? WHY THE FUCK WORK?? Omg, you just described EVERY FREAKIN' LIBERAL IN WASHINGTON! And what's alarming is, the fact that you can actually write coherent sentences, which then form into paragraphs, which then further turn into posts, yet you are SO ignorant that you don't see what you are saying! Please, for the love of Pete, put DOWN the Kool-Aid. :seeya: I'd be laughing my ass off at you right now if you weren't so freain' brainwashed and truly BELIEVE what you are saying!! I don't hope that this works because I choose not to be owned. That's the difference between you and I. You put all your faith in corrupt government (but apparently ONLY if they are liberal socialists). I don't. I don't trust ANY of them. Nor do I require that they "fix" anything. The government's first and foremost job, the reason they were created, was to protect our borders (HAH!), and protect its citizens (another HAH, unless you foster in going after terrorists, which you, apparently, despise doing). Wow, you know, this is kinda like meeting a Yeti -- you HEAR they exist, but to meet one in person is really, truly... ACK!

Okay, that's not a convincing face. :thumbdown:

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Yes, right a wrong with another wrong. "So far," all he has done is run up the national debt to over $11 TRILLION. Way to go. :thumbdown: You know if there hadn't been so much fraud at the voting booths, ACORN... Republicans are trying like crazy to re-write history already. It's downright scary. Hm, really? Was it "downright scary" when Clinton did it? I guess... like Holy Water to the devil, I suppose. :seeya: You mean like ACORN? Pssst, they work for your people. He already IS turning it socialist!! What do you think he's doing, woman?? And your flip attitude is, "Well, your guy gave us fascism, so we're going to up the ante with socialism"?? Wow, I guess that sounds all well and good to somebody like you until they come for YOUR livelihood, money, and dictate what you can and can't do. You'll be squealing like a piglet then, I can assure you.

ZING!! And I, for one, am STILL waiting to hear what Obama has done that is so-freakin-fantastic in the last few months. Before he was selected, nobody had ever heard of him and his 100-some days in congress. :thumbdown: Oh, I get it -- he spends other people's money like a drunken sailor. Yep, he certainly has excelled there...

Did I miss something? Who defended the Bush administration?? Or are you so linear and indoctrinated that if one is anti-Obama, they must be pro-Bush? :thumbdown: Step outside the box, honey. If you can.

I don't know, is that what you were shooting for? And if so, why? Of course I'm sure YOU see it that way. I can't speak for Plain or anybody else here, but I never once stood behind those decisions of Bush's. I've railed against him almost as much as I have Mr. Teleprompter. For me this is not about taking sides. It's a shame more people can't follow that train of thought. I am a conservative, yes -- and the more I look at it, I may actually be a libertarian because the conservative people have abandoned their base -- but that does not mean that I back ANY conservative. I became disappointed and alarmed at Bush, and I did not support McCain. What I see happening is that conservatives are becoming liberals, and the liberals are becoming socialists. There are still conservative citizens, but the representation is moving left. If I had cable, I probably would watch FOX, but the fact is, only left-wing zealots think FOX is all conservative. I see a bit of both. Besides, we are entitled to ONE station allotted to the right compared to all the other mediums which are frothingly left, no? Or are you really THAT threatened by a dissenting viewpoint? So much for the "tolerant left." More like "we are Borg." :thumbdown:

I don't believe that at all. I believe he is being guided and consulted by those who want total control of this country via socialism. I don't know that I've EVER seen a pol that came into the job to do what's right for the country. Instead, they come in with an agenda and a plan to become more powerful. Our government (both sides) has become so power hungry as to be alarming. They have a do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do mentality (i.e. exactly HOW MANY of them don't even pay their freakin' taxes???) and act as if we're subjects rather than citizens. It won't. I have never heard of anybody "spending themselves out of debt." A middle schooler could figure that one out. And what exactly should Bush have done? At least then, we still had a semblance of capitalism. However, whenever government gets involved, everything goes to shit. It wasn't until Bush required lenders through the fairness in lending to lend money to very high risk people that the housing market inflated dramatically, only to come crashing to the ground with foreclosures all over the place. Some of you want to blame the president(s) for everything when they go bad (usually Republicans, in many of your books), but when you get in some dolt who has spent more money in his first two months than EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT combined up until this time, it's great. If it was Bush doing this, you'd be screaming bloody murder, and don't tell me you wouldn't. Now, I'm no Bush fan -- I was early on but became rather disappointed in some of his decisions -- so I'm not rallying to his defense. But to go from him who "did nothing" to this guy who is introducing socialism at an alarming rate -- well, I'll take Bush doing nothing, thank you. True, he didn't -- but GOVERNMENT did. Tossing more government and MY MONEY at the problem will never fix it. It never has in any other factor of government interference, and it never will. Ah, the good ol' standby -- the unAmerican card. Where is the "you're a racist" trump too? I'm sure that's not far behind. I WANT him to fail because to SUCCEED means that we become full-on socialists, and that has never ever ever ever worked in the history of any civilization. The fact that you are okay with daddy gubment taking over and controlling everything is very alarming and shows a very apathetic nature -- which IS unAmerican! This nation was founded on people who said "enough is enough" and rocked the boat. People with attitudes like yours either became enslaved or were wiped out. People with attitudes such as yourself become owned by the government, and I'm sorry, but NOBODY owns me. I will never give him a break because I see the damage he has done in three short months. Did you Bush haters ever give him a break? Again, not a fan, but the hypocrisy is knee deep here. I don't even listen to the man! I'm too busy WORKING and paying other people's effin' bills!! Could it be that maybe HE speaks for those of US who feel this way?? Nah, can't be... cuz apparently the only thinking people these days are the ones who sit back and allow the government to run ripshod all over everybody. Which in itself is a contradiction because to just sit there shows you aren't thinking about this at all and are putting all your faith in a bunch of zealots whose only goal is to control everything and everybody. Yeah, thanks but no thanks. I'd rather be a thinking idiot than a non-thinking one. Sheeple comes to mind. :thumbdown:

LOL, so true... but I have a hard time believing that my muscle gain is in direct proportion to my fat loss. :seeya: Tell me it CAN happen before I cry... :seeya:

That is FANTASTIC, Tina, but, erm, you just canNOT drop the ex-bomb like that and not give details, honey! I think we're due. :thumbdown:

PJTS(cream): If I see the numbers 242 through 244 one more day... I'ma gonna throw a scale through the window. :thumbdown: Over two freakin' weeks now, and I've been doing everything right. EVERYTHING. ARRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!

Geez, I can't imagine why you didn't stay with him... :thumbdown:

Omg, THAT'S where I lost that money? Yeah... um... I'll PM you my address. :thumbdown: But yeah, I can see them not knowing what to do with it. Most people who lose money wouldn't think it would ever get turned in, and true, how DO you identify it? "It's green and about yea big with men's faces on it..." Unless they can name the exact amount. And that's assuming that whoever you turn it in to doesn't pocket it...