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Ahh don’t ask - either people are understanding that we’re all going through a lot, or they’re just here to act perfect and slam anyone that’s honest about their struggles. It’s so interesting what you and timar are saying is on plan. Nothing you’ve listed is really bad for you. I mostly eat healthy, but surgery has helped me a lot with hunger most the time, and what I chose, but also quantity. I can’t even eat a small can of tuna for dinner right now.


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

THIS.
I was sitting in the mandatory pre-op nutrition class - my surgeon partners with a local hospital bariatric program to deliver them - LOVE my surgeon, but this group is awful.
One of their post op recommendations: once you can start tolerating solid food and if you want to eat bread and rice, be absolutely SURE to stick to white rice and white bread - NOTHING with Fiber - we want your digestive tract to be very 'calm' as you continue to heal.
WTF? That's the WORST **** you can put in your body, and I don't believe for a second that your digestive tract needs to heal so much (especially at 4+ weeks) that you should avoid healthy, whole, unprocessed foods.
I became a fat ass by making conscious choices to eat wrong - NOT because I'm a f**king moron that can't recognize what good foods are.
Sorry for the rant, those people just made me mad.

Thanks Timarland - both your comments are on point!

Really well said! Xx


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

I've gone off plan and plan to again because I never planned to give up the foods I ate prior to surgery (pure maple , honey, spirulina, cacao, chia, flax, butter, etc. ) although they were never on any plan I saw...

Keep in mind that a exercise is a VERY small % of overall calorie burn for the day - as such, whatever you're doing with your diet is contributing to almost all of your weight loss. Feel good about yourself for that - it's a win!
Check this out for some interesting tidbits on the impact of exercise on weight loss: https://www.vox.com/2018/1/3/16845438/exercise-weight-loss-myth-burn-calories

I'd suspect that almost all wls patients cheat in some way along the way, especially early in the process as you're learning to eat again, balancing your nutrients, etc. There's also a pretty high success rate for this surgery, so there's a clearly a way to balance some cheating with longer term success.
I really feel sorry for the vets like Kate and Jess who (claim) to be perfect carbless eaters or whatever - as others have said, food is a joy, and the ultimate win is to get close to a goal weight but still have that nice tasting menu destination dinner with your significant other, or maybe have that slice of bday cake with your kid. Find a balance and love your life, and help others do the same. How miserable would it be to both constantly adhere to a super restrictive diet of no go foods - I guess we've seen that it makes some people so miserable they want to shame others to make themselves feel bitter, um I mean better...

This is exactly why diets like Keto and Atkins don't work in the long term - it's also why so many of us have (likely) been yo-yo-ing up and down in weight our whole lives. Most people just can't quit bad foods cold turkey.
Kudos to those with changed gut bacteria or other chemical changes since surgery that can, but the VAST majority of us can't.
What most people need here is empathy (as mentioned by creekimp) - encouragement that falling off the wagon for a meal or a day doesn't ruin anything - a helping hand to get back on track and keep up good work.
As for the direction this whole thread took - first of all, the OP and original post mentioned pizza, and didn't say anything about puking it up. I don't know about you all, but I've specifically spoken at length to my surgeon about eating foods out of order or a bit ahead of schedule on the plan - his comment was, after 7-10 days, as long as you don't puke, nothing you put in your mouth (food wise, I'm sure he didn't mean nuts and bolts and ****) is going to tear/rip/create a leak in your staple line. Even if you puke, it's rare, but possible to create a leak. Based on that, I don't think anyone here should be jumping on people and claim it's a medical thing.
I think all of us are scared that if we eat too much, eat the wrong thing, gain a pound one week, we're suddenly fucked and we've ruined our surgery.
What we need is a community that supports people that post about stuff like this with encouraging words and helpful tips on how to get back on track.
NOT pious posts like those from jess9395 and Kate. Seahawks dude should at least wait until he's post op to post opinions or criticisms, even then, see my comments on pious posts...
Chill out, grow up, and be nice - try to legitimately help people. It really shouldn't be this hard.

You are a hypocrite - you wrote a post on how hungry you were not long ago because you too prepare meals for the family - so it’s ok to bash someone over a bite of pizza 3 weeks ago? Get lost, you’re all such assholes that have completely overreacted for the sake of being jerks. You need to look in the mirrors.


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

Thank you so much for your post. Most mothers do understand what it’s like, so thank you for your considerate and honest response. All the best to you too.

I think there are many on here that want to make you fail. Did a bite of pizza kill me? No. Did it stop me losing weight? No. It hasn’t really stopped people on here getting obsessed over it even though this post is 3 weeks later an unreleased. Sheesh. Unbelievable.


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

LMAO! Ok... yeh it’s those stupid newbies... right. Bye then!


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

And this post is a perfect example that it’s actually snide and condescending comments like this from vets that show you actually don’t want people to succeed. It’s like you want to make them feel bad so they fair. Who’s fooled.

I think it’s sad to be on here acting the way so many vets do 4 years post op, like they’re life revolves around the surgery instead of food now. I adore the ones that come on to share posts and updates, but the ones that basically live on here - that’s just really sad.


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

In four years I’ll be enjoying my body and life and won’t be on here scolding people new to the surgery.


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

Guess what Kate? You’ve just proved my point!

1) it was a bite
2) this post wasn’t about that
3) it did not cause damage


You and others on here are bullying people for being honest. I am 5 weeks post op now, and I am disgusted at the way some of you behave. If anything could have done damage to me it was the way you all treated me when I created that post at 2 weeks.

Why are you posting on my thread besides wanting to argue and be rude? Did you go through everything you did just so you could come on here and slam people early in their own journey or did you do it for you? What do you want?

Do you want me to say how amazing you are, that you’re so much better than everyone else on here? You’re not, and we will reach our goals too despite people like you trying to drag us when we slip up.

For God sake, do you have a life out of here? I’m proud of losing 20lbs in a month, considering I only have another 40lbs to get to my goal - so keep your negative judgment to yourself.

You have clearly come on here to keep criticising me about admitting I ate a bite of my kids pizza at 2 weeks, which is now 3 weeks ago and nothing to do with this post - so don’t you DARE come on here acting like anything you are posting is anything but a bullying attempt! All of the vets like you should just leave people alone - you are NOT surgeons, you are NOT nutritionists, and you are NOT better than anyone else! We all have our own journeys! We all got here our own ways. I put on weight during my second baby, other people it was a lifelong battle - but one thing is for sure - we don’t need being scolded by know-it-all vets so early in this life changing surgery!


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

Kate - thanks for yet another smart ass vet response.

We are not the ones that are know-it-alls, we are at the start of the journey and looking for others experiencing similar challenges and blocks. Perhaps some of you have forgotten what it’s like at this stage, or you’re hungry for more awards on here, whatever it is: coming on and shaming people doesn’t help anyone. I am clearly not the only person on here that has had bad days and going through it, but you’ve singled me out. What’s the point?

Congratulations to all the vets, you should be proud of your weight loss, but if you want to come on here and act like it was always easy, and you’re so much better than anyone else, than maybe you’re looking for something on this forum that we can’t give you. We clearly need support more than any of you do at our stages, and it’s not what many of you give on here, so why bother just to make us feel bad about posting?


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

Sorry if you didn’t understand my post - but I wasn’t asking for your pant size - I’m not sure if you want an award. This was about people that have slipped up at times, how they dealt with it and kept going - which you have done also, but I guess it’s ok when you do it, just not anyone else. I was 4 weeks and nothing I ate was not allowed for safety reasons, it just wasn’t as healthy as I should be eating. Everyone has weak moments, there are hundreds of posts just like it, only as soon as I post anything it draws all of the vets to come on and start scolding me. Don’t bother if it’s not going to be constructive. There are plenty of people that came on, understood the post and offered constructive responses, but again I have to close this thread because of the few that take it as an opportunity to come on and act as though they are perfect and everyone else should be - which is completely unhelpful!


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

Thanks Mama - that’s what I was looking for to know I’m not alone with bad days. My portion has improved a lot and 20lbs down at 5 weeks post-op, but I think it’s important to be honest that it hasn’t always been easy, and I have slipped up because not everyone on here is as perfect as some like to claim they are.

Let’s stay on track, the holidays are a really hard time for many people, so thank you for being honest about your journey! Xx


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

"NO JUDGEMENT!
Has anyone else had bad days like this? "
From my perspective, this is the part that caused the controversy.
When someone knows they've gone off plan, but specifically ask for support without judgement...when it's pretty clear that what they're looking for is just empathy....should they be inundated with fear mongering and reasons they'll fail?

"Speaking as someone more than four years out and maintaining a 135 pound loss at goal (size 4)...."
Jess...would it surprise you to know that you impress me as someone who is in danger of swapping out one eating disorder for another? I'm not saying that's true, or your reality...but it's a road I'd rather not take, and sometimes you say things that seem a bit obsessive and extreme for my taste. I worry about trading one extreme for another because I know it's dangerous, and I know it happens.
I've never mentioned this before because every time I consider telling someone I'm worried about them online....I think to myself...will that person find it useful if I do? Will they take it to heart, or will they hear it as criticism? Usually, I err on the side of shutting up and treating people with kindness when I know they don't want to hear what I have to say.
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"Once I get through surgery, my goal is to never touch the trigger foods again."
Man, if it were this simple....wouldn't most of us just set a goal to quit all our trigger foods and not bother with the surgery?
My theory is that you can't run from food. Gotta make peace with it. Get power over it. Gotta face it and get control of it. Otherwise, it still has all the power and you're running away for the rest of your life...powerless.
I'm not saying being able to say no, is powerless....just saying....these foods will still be there. You'll run into them. They might still sing to you.
I guess my question is...why do you think having surgery will make you more able to "never touch trigger foods again?" What happens to your brain during surgery that enables this change of ability?
Not being a jerk, just honestly would like to follow your train of thought.

Im basically a Liberterian type of guy. Its none of my business what you do in the privacy of your home as long as you dont cause harm to others. If you feel the need to eat what you want then that is totally up to you. Im sure as an intelligent adult you will make the choices that you feel are in your best interests. I do applaud your honesty.

During my six month pre op prgram I had to attend support group meetings (which I still attend) two nuggets offered were 1- treat your WLS as a golden ticket. You really get this one chance to redo what made you obese in the first place and 2- be careful what you reintroduce into your food eco system. If it got you obese once it will do it again.

Since Im the person who cant eat just one I opt to eat none. I have no self control. For those of you who can excercise self control you eat what you feel is appropriate for you. Im glad to see this thread have varying points of views. If everyone agreed it would be a very boring and a non informative forum. Lets just be civil to each other while we work toward our goal of having a healthy and happy life.

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That’s pretty much my surgeon who said you will lose weight no matter what you eat, but try to make good choices because you’re not getting much in. I am trying to make the best choices, but I still get cravings and it’s good to know it isn’t just me and how others get through it. I hope your nausea gets better, that really sucks


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

100% this! In my post bout pizza I also shared a friend was just diagnosed with cancer and not one person showed compassion or understanding - and then want to say they are supportive? What fools. And it was a bite- they act like I ate a whole pizza. Anyway, this was a new post but their abuse continued. I bet they’ll fall harder than I will because at least I can be honest about my weakness.

I had ppl DMing me saying they did the same but too afraid to share on here - so the bullying isn’t helping anyone. Surgery may make u thinner but some of you have very ugly personalities.

Anyway - much love to you Creekimp - girl I hope you’re kicking butt! I’m 20lbs down and 5 weeks today!!!


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

That wasn’t what I wrote at all! Good luck with your surgery, karma can be a b***h when you go through week moments. I have a feeling you’ve had a lot more of them than I have to get so big, and when you realise you can still eat and get hungry, you may struggle too. I was only 55kgs before I had my daughter and ran marathons - and I know I am getting back there. I’ve already lost 20lbs!

I’m glad I could be honest on here and again thank the ones that didn’t use it as an excuse to bully and act like clowns.

Truly - so astonishing all of the morbidly obese people now tryna act like they’ve never made bad food choices! What a laugh!!!! Just give it up - you’re reaching!


Sleeved: 2/12/2017

SW: 209lbs/95kgs

Hey, I just call 'em like I see 'em. No bullying there.
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If I'm funny then you're a moron. And I think we've already cleared up that I'm funny so....