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8 minutes ago, fatchocobomom said:

What am I doing wrong?

Expecting to be consistently losing. Doesn't work like that.

On 6/22/2017 at 7:03 AM, ShilohD said:

Its the one carbonation. My dietician told me the reason they say no soda ever again is beca use the carbonation causes your stomach to expand, which makes you hungrier, which makes you eat more.

The whole reason for the surgery is to make the stomach smaller... why take the chance that the soda would make your stomach bigger? It defeats the whole purpose... in my book, it's just not worth the risk.

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I'd ask your dietitian to retire for the sake of their patients getting better advice elsewhere.

It's always good to track.. but stalls are also normal. So if you track and notice same results, don't worry too much about it, just stay on course with the program. I've been stalled for 3 weeks now, not worried.

Did you ever have a barium swallow done? Most definitely should have if you got WLS done in May, especially if you say you had GERD issues before surgery.

Also, can you specify as to what you're eating/drinking, how often, whether you're eating/drinking together, etc?

I just fap a lot more. Wife can't keep up with me right now since we've been really busy.

It's actually rather annoying.

- See innocent news article or flyer ad

- Has female with normal looking womens clothes on

- Get boner

- Have to stop what I'm doing and go fap or else get a huge boner in a public space

2 hours ago, MSinger said:

I have the same thing, but strangely enough, it's gotten better since I had surgery. I spoke with a Dr about it and she referred me to an ENT who specializes in inner ear disorders (I still have not gone). I did notice if I have a few days of high-sodium meals it would get worse. I also have vertigo in my R ear.

I once had vertigo.. some of the most miserable weeks in my life. Was the result of a severe inner ear infection. Stand up, walk worse than being drunk.. lie down, room spins and makes me feel sick. Close my eyes, it spins faster. Terrible. I was given some kind of Clavamox or Amoxicillin combo drug that absolutely ran roughshod over my digestive tract as a result.. set off a 1-3 month episode of psoriasis in bad places that I never had before.

Even after it was gone, I had issues riding elevators for months afterwards, would make me feel nauseated. Couldn't even think about theme park rides.. so glad that didn't last too long.

3 minutes ago, jess9395 said:

This thread took a left turn from the carbonation issue

My apologies.. I extend you an olive branch:

Pepsi releases its strongest, most carbonated soda ever

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2016/05/23/pepsi-releases-its-strongest-most-carbonated-soda-ever.html

Try a small bite of it and swallow.. if it seems like too much, or the effect bothers you too much, don't eat any more, put it off for a week or two down the road, and go with soft solids like Beans, scrambled eggs, string cheese, etc. It's not gonna kill you. Progression from liquids is a good thing. I was on liquids for 2 weeks post-op, 3rd week started soft solids, 4th week was on regular food. It did hit me hard, but I ate very slow, and in moderation.. it's a new experience coming from liquids to solids where restriction really hits you.

Why this is so hard stems from a number of issues most of us face having to go through WLS...

Psychologically, as compulsive eaters, it becomes ingrained into our daily life that we need to eat excessive amounts. It takes overcoming of what we did to ourselves to change this, and whatever psychological element we go through that compels us to consume this way.

And discipline.. many of us were simply not disciplined in how we went about things, so we suffered the consequences of it.

Having to suddenly find yourself disciplined and moderating is a massive psychological and physiological shock -- the body doesn't like sudden changes. So the side effects of this is something we unfortunately have to bear and get past.. which generally does happen with time and discipline.

42 minutes ago, SleeveDreamer said:

I actually googled this and found that it was called Pulsatile Tinnitus. I am just so tired all the time. I was never like this after my sleeve!

I'd let your doctors know.. after looking at medical journals this doesn't seem to be much an indicator of anything by itself (other than the annoyance you described), but it can be found in diagnoses regarding the cariovascular system. If you're already being well maintained and are having regular checkups I'd probably not think much of it, but still let them know for it to be on record in case something does come up, or in case they find out something new.

14 minutes ago, Txcutie67 said:

Frustration is not even the word. I am 1 month out and it's like I always feel hungry. I am not like those who have to remind themselves to eat. That is not my problem, it always feels like my stomach is always growling. How is that even possible?

Constant is usually a sign you're eating and/or drinking too quickly. Doing this causes the body to move stuff more quickly through you -- i.e. peristalsis. Dial it back some.. i.e. slow down.

And I just realized this thread is 6-7 years old.. holy necro.

4 hours ago, dsdesigna said:

Alcoholism is a serious problem for post WLS. It's a transfer addiction. Be very careful. It's not just about the calories, it's the damage you are doing to your liver. Most WLS patients already have extensive scar tissue from having a fatty liver pre surgery. It takes a long time for that to heal if ever.

4 hours ago, NYCGAL000 said:

I know this first hand. My sister had gastric bypass 10 years ago. She hardly drank before. She is a now a raging alcoholic who has been in and out of the hospital and rehabs about 50 times. She doesn't eat anymore, other than Gummy bears or nips candy and drinks about 2 cases of beer per day along with chain smoking. I have no idea how she is alive. I have tried to help her for years even having her live with me this past year but she was destroying my life with her drinking and violent outbursts so I had to let her go. She now lives with my other sister making her life a living hell. She lost her husband, her home, her kids, her jobs, everything. So she lost weight but she gained an alcoholic addiction. This is why I will rarely drink after my surgery. .Scares the hell out of me

Great posts. This is why it's extremely important for people with addictive personalities to be extremely wary of engaging in anything they find addictive post-op.. there's a higher risk of what @dsdesignamentioned is "transfer addiction".

We should be wary in general of what we consume due to WLS impacting the way our body processes food, physiologically and psychologically. However, extra baggage like this requires extra caution.. and if one even thinks they might not be able to moderate themselves, abstain entirely.

In my case, my liver damage was done comprehensively by a horrific American style diet rife with extremely carb dense food, carb/sugar dense liquids, and a sedentary lifestyle. While I did hit bottles pretty hard in the few time I did have a drink (would go through most of a 750mL bottle of Captain Morgan in the span of an entire day, mixing with sodas like Cherry Coke for example), never getting to the point of throwing up, but enough to have to watch how I walked, I didn't drink often whatsoever, maybe a small handful of times a year. It was a blessing because my mother and father were both alcoholics, so I had been warned that I was predisposed to alcoholism, but that never transferred to me. Nonetheless, with my phases of depression came food addiction, which, as far as the liver is concerned, just as bad as alcohol and drugs, just doesn't damage it as fast as those things can/will.

So to summarize, sodas and alcohol will hit us twice as hard post-WLS as it will before.. it's extremely imperative we monitor ourselves, and it's important to identify potential addictive behaviors or addiction transfers and nix them right away:

1) Keep food, especially snack foods, further away from where you veg out and harder to reach,

2) If you're the only one in the house that eats certain junk food, just don't get it at all, it's presence is especially bad for anyone susceptible to compulsive/addictive eating/drinking behaviors,

3) Talk yourself out of it.. there's no one that will save you from you.

4) Especially monitor booze if you're going to drink it.. and drink it slow, because the sleeve might allow it to pass through us that means it makes us drunk that much faster, and it also means it can overwhelm the liver that much faster.

31 minutes ago, Newme17 said:

Quit drinking them way before my journey to wls after I saw a documentary (or article, don't remember which) that spelled out all the chemicals that are used to make them. For example, some are made with flame retardant. Seriously? Flame retardant!? Imagine drinking that. It's poison! Terrible stuff that our bodies aren't equipped or supposed to have. So, I cold turkey them. I wasn't a heavy soda drinker anyway, but it just made it easier for me to do away with.

If it was poison people would be literally dying from it, and the companies would be sued out of existence with how much their products are consumed. Brominated vegetable oil is an emulsifier. It's a poison like many other things we consume ONLY if in high concentration. You kinda left out that convenient fact. Cherries and almonds have cyanide.. going to say they're poison? What you just espoused is logic identically used to suggest vaccinations are dangerous. Conspiracies and exaggerations help no one.

It happens, some Vitamins or meds, in some people, don't react the best on an empty stomach. Right after surgery you're on liquids which pass right through the stomach, and not having stuff all the time, so it's very likely you're constantly on an empty stomach. It should go away when starting on soft solids and normal diet.

I started taking vitamins the very morning after discharge. The occasional nausea feeling shortly after having it happened to me until soft solids stage.

For me, it was a rather easy choice.. keep drinking soda and wind up with liver cirrhosis (irreversible damage) in a few years, or stop and don't.

Soda in itself isn't horrific if you're having it in moderation.. it can certainly cause a stall so recommended not to touch it until you've plateaued.

But what got me into trouble was having 100oz 7-Eleven cups several times a week. Just devastating to the body. If you aren't having any major health issues on the side, I don't think it's imperative other than something to complement your weight loss, and for better permanent habits.

I think if we go with the mindset of "never ever ever ever ever" regarding things we previously enjoyed we're setting ourselves up to break that, and without restraint. I've not ruled out soda, but having zero drinks of soda since the day before my pre-op diet started (January 31st), I can tell I'm far better off. The psychoactive aspects of sugar and caffeine in the soda had a very prolonged effect on me throughout February -- I was shaky, irritable, tired, etc. -- even though mentally I did not want the soda seeing what it had done to me, my body still wanted it. I've figured next summer on a trip out to California I might have some Cherry Coke or something, but honestly I won't care if I don't.

So.. anyways, I've always liked Water. The only two things I ever drink anymore are water and milk, and I rarely have more than 1 cup a day of milk since 3 weeks out. I like water quite a bit, so it's not an issue of finding things to drink, I just can't have water at room temperature, has to be with a ton of ice and very cold. For me, soda was never something I could drink in moderation, but with all that I've learned, since pre-op I've changed the way I see food, drinks, etc. significantly and I force myself to portion less regardless of what I'm having.

People who are thinner but have the kind of metabolism to gain weight easily, I'd say probably stay away as much as you can, mainly because it doesn't take much carbs for the liver to start converting the excess to fat, especially at a low weight your body does not consume nearly as much energy just to function, so the need for carbs and cals is even more restricted unless you're doing rigorous exercise.

This bodes well for many sleevers, or WLS people in general, who have non-alcoholic/drug induced liver disease (NAFLD/NASH):

Researchers have identified the mechanism which causes a build-up of fat in the liver in a disease affecting one in five in the UK -- and were able to reverse it in a mouse model.

People with Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease (NAFLD) develop excess fat in the liver even though they drink little or no alcohol. The condition can range from simple fatty liver to fibrosis and cirrhosis, and can ultimately lead to liver cancer.

A group of international researchers publishing today in the journal Nature Communications, report that senescent or old cells in the liver store excessive fat because mitochondria, the batteries of the cells, become damaged and cannot effectively use the fat as a source of fuel, resulting in its storage.

Reversing the process

Researchers from the Newcastle University Institute for Ageing, UK, in collaboration with researchers from the mayo Clinic, USA, and the Erasmus Medical Centre, in the Netherlands, used pharmacological and genetic approaches to "kill-off" senescent cells from mice, to decrease the build-up of unwanted fat in the liver and restore liver function to normal.

Dr Diana Jurk from Newcastle University's Institute for Ageing, who leads the research team, said: "This is the first time that we have an effective therapy for fatty liver disease. Our discovery shows that by using this new method that can kill senescent cells, we may be able to make a significant impact in dealing with this very common life-threatening disease.

"While our approach worked in laboratory mice, we hope in the near future to be able to test these interventions in humans and potentially make a positive impact on people's lives."

Method

The team used two separate methods to eliminate senescent cells; firstly by using a genetically engineered mouse in which senescent, worn-out cells can be "killed-off" and secondly by a treatment with a combination of the drugs -- dasatinib and quercetin (D+Q) -- known to specifically kill senescent cells.

Both approaches were equally successful in reducing the build-up of fat in the liver caused by a high fat diet or ageing in mice.

Mikolaj Ogrodnik, PhD student within the Institute for Ageing and lead author on the paper, said: "We are witnessing a very exciting time in ageing research. Scientists have realised that senescent cells are the cause of many diseases and we now have a way to fight them off."

Dr Jurk adds: "As we age we accumulate cell damage and we have shown that these older cells are storing excess fat due to their inefficient mitochondria. What is exciting is that we have been able to reverse this damage in mice by removing these older, worn-out cells, which opens the door to a potential cure."

The work has been funded by the BBSRC and Newcastle University's Institute for Ageing.

The team are now intending to further their research by examining how the technique can be developed as a potential clinical treatment.

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Reference: Cellular senescence drives age-dependent hepatic steatosis. Mikolaj Ogrodnik et al. Cellular senescence drives age-dependent hepatic steatosis. Nature Communications. Doi: 10.1038/ncomms15691

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-06/nu-srm061217.php

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On 6/13/2017 at 3:41 PM, Ance said:

OutsideMatchinside, your judging without all the facts.

Well I'll be damned, there's a shocker.

Wax/shave it.

1 hour ago, Introversion said:

It's called body dysmorphia...

Yes, I still often see a fat person staring back at me in the mirror although I'm 100+ lbs lighter and have been weighing 118 lbs since entering the maintenance phase nearly a year ago.

Evidence that contradicts my perceived 'fatness: *the size 2 and 4 clothes I easily fit; *comments such as "I can tell you stay in the gym" or "You're in such great shape" or "You're so tiny!"

Don't get me wrong...I regularly see the progress I've made over the past two years. However, I still do see the big girl in the mirror on occasion.

Thanks for bringing up this timely topic.

I really had no understanding of this.. was trying to wrap my head around what OP was talking about, thanks for the info.

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Agreed with this guy.

Could just be skin. Could be the way your body distributes weight.

I honestly think the Endoscopic Sleeve merits its own forum with increasing amounts of posts regarding those having or considering it.

Long term data is a concern, but it's the same thing with the laparoscopic vertical sleeve gastrectomy. However, there's a lot more fantastic short term data for the latter, which is why it's quickly surpassing bypasses.

There's nothing that comes even remotely close to the Water I've drank pre and post-op. Water is great. I don't need to make myself like it either.

Of course, sometimes I want things with taste.. that's what smoothies or milk with a dab of chocolate Syrup is for.

Right after surgery. If you know how to drink from a straw without sucking in air (not complicated), there shouldn't be an issue.

Those who can't will likely experience bloating and pain if having it quickly after surgery and sucking in a bunch of air.