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So your saying that if crap and tirade is passed, it will have no affect on American's making less then $250k a year? A tax doesn't need to be deducted from your payroll to affect you. If the government added an additional 5 cent tax to all gasoline purchases would that not be a tax increase on people making less then $250k a year? And, the big one you didn't mention was taxing of health care benefits, which as bo made ever so clear during the campaign has never been done before, but it is now, thank you mr president.

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Whats the plan for the ones who are here already?

I'm all for fencing up the south, but the number of illegals from Canada just doesn't justify the money needed to add a fence there at this time. Where as there are close to 12 million illegals nationwide, with about 78% percent coming from Mexico and latin America. All of Europe and Canada make up only about 6%. Asian countries make up about 13%. So while I know you were being facetious, I think it's a good idea.

I agree something needs to be done about anchor babies. I worked at a fire station in campo ca that is literally right on the border and we had people come across in labor at least twice a week. That is a really touchy issue with the lobs tho.

Thats the point. We can't do it that way, it wont work. So until they are gone or dealt with, this Az law is going to be enforced. Like I said earlier, the best way to make them leave, is to make the unemployable. Hard sanctions on any business that uses them, including individuals who use day laborers from the home depot and lowes as well. Finish the wall and patrol it, make it so the only way in is where we want people to come in.

Show me some evidence to the contrary. Are you saying that the people who have made Pheonix Az the #2 city for kidnappings world wide are middle to low class white people? Middle to low class black people? Middle class to low class any person who is here legally? Or is just possible that the ones doing this are the illegals, who are part of the drug cartels? What about the drug traffickers? Whens the last time you saw a huge drug raid on your local African American neighbors? Or does that usually seem to be only illegals from south of the border? I'm not saying these things are exclusive to them, I'm saying that in the troubled parts of Az the parts that want this law, they are the overwhelming majority doing these crimes, unless of course you can show some evidence to the contrary?

Get the illegals to leave and stop coming in illegally and you wont have too. Simple fix.

most of the drug traffickers, murderers, and kidnappers in AZ are illegal immigrants, so it will in fact help a lot by either locking them up or shipping them out.

What if, what if, what if. There are pretty basic computer systems that most pd's have, that once a number or license is ran pictures come up verifying who you are. Also many can do this with just a name. Why are you so opposed to assisting in the enforcement of laws? Many of which are already in place but aren't being enforced. And now that the law is on the books you know that you need to carry an ID with you, so now you can do so, so it's not really a hindrance to you to carry a small credit card sized piece of plastic, that can easily slip into your sock or pocket. You and the rest of the liberals are blowing this out of proportion, had the federal government done the duty by keeping our borders secure in the first place we wouldn't be in this situation. What part of this law is unconstitutional?

Tell him your DL # or SS # they can probably very easily verify online who you are and send you on your way. You don't need to make up unreal scenarios and think the worst of every cop in the world. And again what part of this law is unconstitutional?

Don't you carry a government issued drivers license pretty much everywhere? Thats all they want. And they aren't talking about random stops on dark skinned people although that is what the liberals would like you to believe. Why would it be wrong for someone who is here legally to quickly show a valid ID and be on their way, if your being pulled over for speeding or some other traffic violation your already going to have to show your ID. And a lot of the bill has to do with people illegally transporting illegals, and hiring them as day labors and what not.

I think the biggest things we can do that will actually make a difference with immigration, is finish the fence and patrol it, and impose outrageous fines to businesses employing illegals. Also we need to start enforcing the laws that are on the books, and deport much more swiftly. But I think the fines on businesses will do the most good. If you fine a company say $25,000 per illegal employee, I think you'll see them stop employing those people. And if the jobs dry up, the illegals will leave. IMO

I just read all 17 pages of this bill and still can't find what is "unconstitutional" about it.

Are we to think you all are the same person for spewing the same bleeding heart liberal propaganda bs? Or is just possible more than one person has a particular political view that is similar to another person's? Or is that to off base for cleojeanslfmason?

Your so clever:rolleyes:

For you to say bo has not raised taxes is incorrect, these taxes will help the poor, so to say the rich will pay more taxes to pay for the poor is not incorrect. And they hardly have had a free ride, the top 10 percent of earners pay over 68% of taxes.

This doesn't count?

For the daft; I did not say, nor imply that you ARE the same thing as the people that hang around you, or that you hang around. What I said, and what I mean, is that people judge you, like it or not, they do, right or wrong, thats life, I know I know, you and bj and cm don't but the rest of the world does. Does it make it true? No, does it make it understandable why someone would think a certain way about bo because of the people he chose to surround himself with, yes it does. Now the vast majority of people can make deductions about a person based on things we know and or learn about them, and decide, "okay maybe bo isn't a terrorist, but man he doesn't help his cause hanging out with that person." Now maybe bo doesn't care what anyone thinks about him or the people he hung out with, and thats great, but politics isn't the realm to be in if thats your outlook, because you get judged a lot.

NEVER SAID ANYONE INFLUENCES THE WAY YOU THINK!!!! NEVER SAID ANYONE INFLUENCES THE WAY YOU THINK!!!! NEVER SAID ANYONE INFLUENCES THE WAY YOU THINK!!!! NEVER SAID ANYONE INFLUENCES THE WAY YOU THINK!!!! NEVER SAID ANYONE INFLUENCES THE WAY YOU THINK!!!! NEVER SAID ANYONE INFLUENCES THE WAY YOU THINK!!!! NEVER SAID ANYONE INFLUENCES THE WAY YOU THINK!!!! NEVER SAID ANYONE INFLUENCES THE WAY YOU THINK!!!! READ THE POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, your saying that if someone who didn't know you, walked into wherever it is that you hang out with the republican men, and saw you there, they wouldn't also think your a republican?

bazinga:rolleyes:

You better put the real quote in there real fast, because I'm gonna go ahead and call you flat out LIAR for that statement, I NEVER SAID THAT.

We'll start with the first paragraph, because you still obviously are not getting what I'm saying. I did not say he is a terrorist, or a socialist, or a communist, BECAUSE of who he socializes with. I said that it is understandable that someone might think those things of him because of who he socializes with. That is the same point I made about you hanging around with certain types of people. I'm not saying that they influence you, I'm saying that they influence how people perceive you. If you either don't see that, or are denying it, you need to wake up. So let me ask you this point blank, yes or no; you see a group of guys standing on a corner, one is visibly selling drugs, do you, or do you not assume that they all are either drug dealers or drug users because of who you see them socializing with? Or are you so enlightened that you think "well, the one in the middle is a drug dealer but the other four are probably upstanding citizens, businessmen probably just hanging out with a friend who is a drug dealer." As for the other part. No I don't know what he meant by that statement, and given that he's talking about has raised taxes for the rich to support the poor, I'm gonna stick with the socialist style politics. That's not saying he's a full on socialist,(also not saying he's not)because he hasn't done anything policy wise to that affect yet. But he is taxing the rich to pay for the poor.

The first is the easiest, he very clearly said he'd like to spread the wealth around. That is socialism. Taking from the rich giving to the poor, redistribution of wealth is socialism. Van Jones is a self confessed communist. And what's wrong with Aires? he is a bona fide terrorist, and it's been proven that he spent more time with bo then he lead us to believe. While he may not have got bo into politics they did know each other better than bo said, and he may, or may not have been influenced by him, we'll never know. I didn't say people you see in passing, if you would take the time to read the post, you would see that I said people you associate with regularly, so unless you hop of the bus and go to coffee with the pedophile you missed the point.