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It's not a certain food, it's the mini portions I have to eat sometimes. Thinking of invitations to dinner at certain events etc. (luckily that comes around only a few times a year so there's not much to miss).

Tried my first salad after the 4 weeks post-op pureed food stage was over. Never had a problem with lettuce or any raw vegetables so far.

Add customs and taxes on top of that.

I live near Frankfurt am Main and during the week (for working) near Erfurt in Thuringia. Where did you live?

I'd like to try them. Bariatric Pal has some interesting products but I live in Germany. WLS products has some nice Protein Bars as well, my favorites however are Clif Bars. 20 g of Protein per bar, very good taste and texture (IMO) and they're vegan on top. Price is ok. Not the cheapest, but by far not the most expensive.

I doubt I can get my hands on this Water. Felt much better after drinking water in the evening though.

Do you have serious co-morbidities? Just asking because your starting BMI wasn't even 33.

Beg your pardon, I'm not trying to divide anything here. On the contrary the sometimes quite obvious cliquishness on this board rubbed me the wrong way pretty quick which is a shame because I think this board has a lot to offer. You might want to take a look again at what I wrote earlier: "Actually I don't care about "status". People either make sensible suggestions/posts or they don't, regardless of some status or not, regardless of how many posts they have already made or not. " That's basically what you said, right? That we all can learn from each other.

Light exercise or stretching is good.

Had a really tough day today. Three interventions, two of them rather long ones. I felt like collapsing. Did some restorative yoga in the evening. I still feel rather dehydrated. You're sweating like a pig when wearing the x-ray protection gear and the surgical mask, gown and gloves because the air conditioning can't counter the warmth the machine radiates throughout the day. The temperature in the morning is about 19-20°C which is ok - in the afternoon we often have about 24-25°C in the room.

If it's the muscles hurting it's ok (DOMS was already mentioned), if there is a kind of pain or "soreness" in the tendons or joints, you might want to back off a little bit.

Thanks for reminding me.

@@VSGAnn2014 Do you really think I'm interested in a debate with you after that sarcasm you hurled at me? Why should I? It's obvious you're only looking for an opportunity to dis me. I'm not interested in blood pressure raising quarreling. *shakes head slowly* Look, I understand you're angry because you seem to think I somehow doubted your status as a "vet" on this board or something like this. I didn't. Actually I don't care about "status". People either make sensible suggestions/posts or they don't, regardless of some status or not, regardless of how many posts they have already made or not.

Oh oh, sensing lots and lots of sarcasm here... lol. Man, why do I doubt that you really want to hear my honest opinion on this? Look, obviously I offended you. I'm sorry I did. I realize in your opinion one needs to be at goal weight to be taken really seriously. I can accept that. No problem here, hon. *plonk*

There is "advice" and "medical advice", e. g. there is a big difference between giving out medical advice how to probably resolve leg swelling (that could be caused by various conditions) and advice how to adhere to a certain kind of eating or exercise plan.

This is not a matter of "n00bs" against "vets". I would still like to know what exactly is considered vet wisdom on this board. First surgery was March 2001 (see my signature). I'm over 15 years out in the end with all ups and downs, so beg your pardon that I'm not automatically considering someone who is only 12 months out a veteran. I've seen quite a few people reaching "goal" and I've seen quite a few of them regain a good portion or all of the weight later on. Do users lose vet status once they regain a few pounds and are no longer at goal weight? I've also seen a lot of arrogance around various boards during the years, only to watch people fall from grace later on. I'm talking about 5 years out or more here. I also disagree with having to be at goal weight to be considered a "veteran". Not only people at goal weight have valuable insights to offer. You can learn a lot of things from people who are not as successful as someone who reached "goal weight". Of course you won't see much "non-successful vets" posting out there - they're feeling too much like failures and they're ashamed of it. Not me. I never considered these things not being supportive. I only doubt the "wisdom" in advice like "follow your program". The wisdom starts where the common sense ("follow your program") stops working.

This. A "follow your program" doesn't require (or isn't) any "vet wisdom". I'm not sure what is regarded as "vet wisdom"on here, but IMO "follow your program" or "talk to your NUT" or "you need to change your relationship with food" isn't valuable vet advice. That's only common sense. I also think of it as strange that people who're only 12 months out are already regarded as vets. Advice from vets is necessary when your individual program doesn't get you the spectacular results you were hoping for or when you're severely struggling with following your program down the road. Advice doesn't have to be anything fancy, it can be as simple as pointing out the title of a book that helped someone get their cravings under control.

Never heard of this. If you like saunas (I don't, the cool pool after sweating was always what I liked best about it ), give it a try.

The usual high school playground with all the usual characters present of course.

@allsmilez: This! And now how to decide what's best for you? It all comes down to trial and error in the end (within sensible boundaries).

No, I think they're looking for absolution. They feel like they committed a sin, confessed and want a "fast for three days, work out on the elliptical for six hours and don't sin anymore".

Partly. I think there were always non-compliant patients out there. With the number of surgeries the number of non-compliant patients automatically increases. Let's assume for easy math 10% are not compliant. 10% out of 1000 patients are 100 patients. 10% out of 10000 are 1000 patients. --- As for support before and after surgery: in Germany it's gotten way better. In the past surgeons thought patients have surgery and they're done (I got surgery in 2001 and when compared to what care is available today before and after surgery it is way better today). I don't know what the situation is like in the USA though.

That is what makes me sad (not only on this board). People fail and feel shame on top of it. What's even more sad is that other patients and the medical team often enough feed into that feelings of shame.

Absolutely.